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5 Jul 20, 09:16 PM
Joy: Thank you Rinpoche and all, goodnight all.
5 Jul 20, 09:16 PM
Joy: 6. How did Rinpoche react when Geshe-la scold him? Which teaching on Guru devotion that this episode relate to?

> Rinpoche made three prostrations and apologised to Geshe-la. Rinpoche was extremely frightened but Rinpoche was happy that Rinpoche did not have any negative thoughts or retaliated. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la, keeping his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as Rinpoche could.

> The verse in the Guru Devotion text that reflects this episode would be from verse 10 - 12. Once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about him. It is reflected in the verse

(10) Having become the disciple of such a protecting (guru), should you then despise him from your heart, you will reap continual suffering as if you had disparaged all the buddhas.

(11) If you are foolish enough to despise your guru, you will contract contagious diseases and those caused by harmful spirits and will die (a horrible death) caused by demons, plagues or poison.

(12) You will be killed by (wicked) kings or fire, by poisonous snakes, water, witches or bandits, by harmful spirits or savages, and then be reborn in a hell.

You can read more here > https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/complete-commentary-on-50-verses-of-guru-devotion.html

5 Jul 20, 09:11 PM
Pastor Adeline: .Goodnight everyone. Thank you.
5 Jul 20, 09:05 PM
Fhsam: Thank you Rinpoche , Moderator Valentina_, Pastors and everyone. Stay safe . Good night
5 Jul 20, 09:05 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. How did Rinpoche react when Geshe-la scold him? Which teaching on Guru devotion that this episode relate to?


ANS 6:

Rinpoche was embarrassed but then he returned to Geshe-la, made three prostrations and apologised. Rinpoche did not have any negative thoughts or retaliate.

According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them.
5 Jul 20, 09:04 PM
Valentina_moderator: We have come to the end of our blog chat session... Thank you Rinpoche for this opportunity to learn and to all participants. Do not forget to do your dedication and looking forward to chat with you again next week :)
5 Jul 20, 09:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Nicholas and Pastor Shin ...
5 Jul 20, 09:01 PM
Pastor Shin: A6. Rinpoche felt very embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche. But Rinpoche quickly put everything back the way Rinpoche had found it and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and Rinpoche was extremely frightened, and Rinpoche thought that he would just do whatever Geshe-la wanted because Geshe-la always had a reason. Rinpoche was glad that he didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la, keeping his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as Rinpoche could.

The episode relate to teachings on Guru Devotion of which once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough. 
5 Jul 20, 09:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chdbtq7f52386.jpg - Another precious picture of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen
5 Jul 20, 09:01 PM
nicholas: Q6: How did Rinpoche react when Geshe-la scold him? Which teaching on Guru devotion that this episode relate to? A6: Rinpoche didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate and he to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them.
5 Jul 20, 09:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette
5 Jul 20, 09:00 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A6. According to the teachings on Guru Devotion, once one has taken refuge in the teacher, one should not disparage him or think negative thoughts about one's teacher. Also one should never associate with people who disparage the Guru because these people can affect one's practice if one is not strong enough.

Rinpoche got scolded by Geshe-la before the Gaden Tri Rinpoche arrived as Rinpoche climbed up to rearrange a Dharma text on the altar. There were 20 to 25 persons around. Geshe-la was exceptionalyy upset at that incident and Rinpoche was extremely frightened and he thought: "I'll just do whatever Geshe-la wants because he always has a reason."
5 Jul 20, 09:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: Than you Pastor Adeline and Fhsam - yes Rinpoche humbly prostrated to Geshe-la and apologize. He did not harbour any negative thought against his teacher...
5 Jul 20, 08:58 PM
Pastor Adeline: A6. Rinpoche knew in those times when Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche, some people would have thought that Geshe-la was being unreasonable or too harsh on Rinpoche but Geshe-la was a real practitioner, only interested in benefiting others even if it meant risking his reputation.

Rinpoche never had any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche have never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as Rinpoche could.
5 Jul 20, 08:58 PM
Fhsam: A6 Rinpoche was so embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded me. But I quickly put it all back the way I had found it and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then I returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them.
5 Jul 20, 08:51 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fhsam :)
5 Jul 20, 08:51 PM
Fhsam: A5. Geshe-la said that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyaje Zong Rinpoche was alive, his students should get intiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was because Geshe-la was humble and devoted to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:51 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy... :)
5 Jul 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. How did Rinpoche react when Geshe-la scold him? Which teaching on Guru devotion that this episode relate to?

5 Jul 20, 08:50 PM
Joy: 5. Why did Geshe-la never give initiations to his students?

> Geshe-la told us that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it.
> It was not because Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: Last question of the day...
5 Jul 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: 5. Why did Geshe-la never give initiations to his students?

ANS 5:

Geshe-la did not give initiations to his students because he was humble and devoted to his teacher, H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. Geshe-la told his students that as long as his teacher was alive, they should get the initiation from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.
5 Jul 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Nicholas and Pastor Antoinette - Yes Geshe-la was very humble. He himself was very devoted to his teacher, H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche
5 Jul 20, 08:49 PM
nicholas: Q5. Why did Geshe-la never give initiations to his students?
A5: Geshe-la never give initiations to his students because Geshe-la said to his studetns that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:48 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A5. Geshe-la said that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyaje Zong Rinpoche was alive, his students should get intiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was because Geshe-la was humble and devoted to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:48 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
5 Jul 20, 08:47 PM
Pastor Shin: A5, Geshe-la never gave any of his students initiation because Rinpoche told the students that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, Geshe-la’s students should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for Geshe-la himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as Geshe-la’s Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That was how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:46 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fhsam
5 Jul 20, 08:45 PM
Fhsam: A4 Rinpoche had run away from New Jersey Geshe-la advise Tsem Rinpoche to call and apologise to his adoptive mother. The reason why Geshe-la insisted was that Rinpoche should not only look at the negative things, look at thing positive , think of the good things how she had brought up Rinpoche.
5 Jul 20, 08:45 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy and Pastor Adeline ...
5 Jul 20, 08:44 PM
Pastor Adeline: A5. Geshe-la told Rinpoche and his students that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, they should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
5 Jul 20, 08:44 PM
Joy: 4. Why did Geshe-la advise Tsem Rinpoche to call and apologise to his adoptive mother?

> Geshe-la said Rinpoche should apologise for the hurt he had caused her by running away. 
> Geshe-la advised Rinpoche when Rinpoche ask why he should apologise, “Because you don’t only look at the negative things your mother did – you have to look at the positive. You’re here. Someone fed you. Someone gave you a house. You’re here in the centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. You call her and say you’re sorry for the things you said to her and for the things you thought about her.”
> Rinpoche realised if Geshe-la had not made him call his mom, there is a chance Rinpoche might have hung on to the pain for many years. It was a way for Rinpoche to heal, forgive, let go and move on. It was the best counselling for emotional trauma anyone can get.
5 Jul 20, 08:43 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline :)
5 Jul 20, 08:43 PM
Valentina_moderator: 5. Why did Geshe-la never give initiations to his students?
5 Jul 20, 08:43 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
5 Jul 20, 08:43 PM
Pastor Adeline: A4. Geshe la told Rinpoche that Rinpoch should not only look at the negative things his foster mother did and that Rinpoche have to also look at the positive ones. It was due to his foster parents that Rinpoche i there. Someone fed you. Someone gave you a house. You’re here in the centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. You call her and say you’re sorry for the things you said to her and for the things you thought about her.”
5 Jul 20, 08:42 PM
Valentina_moderator: 4. Why did Geshe-la advise Tsem Rinpoche to call and apologise to his adoptive mother?

ANS 4:

Geshe-la advised Tsem Rinpoche to apologise to his adoptive mother because:

> Rinpoche cannot only look at the negative things but also to look at the positive. Rinpoche's mother has fed, provided accommodation and so forth.

> To help Rinpoche to let go, to accept karma, and not to be selective of Buddha's teachings. When one wants to gain attainments and progress, we have to accept one's karma.
5 Jul 20, 08:42 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
5 Jul 20, 08:42 PM
Pastor Shin: A4. Geshe-la wanted Rinpoche to not only look at the negative things Rinpoche’s mother did and to also look at the positive things she did. Geshe-la was trying to invoke the feeling of gratitude in Rinpoche by reminding Rinpoche that he was there, and so someone has fed him, gave him a house, and that Rinpoche was there in the centre learning Dharma due to the kindness of Rinpoche’s mother. Kensur Rinpoche also told Rinpoche to call his mother and say that Rinpoche’s sorry for the things that Rinpoche said to her and for the things Rinpoche thought about her.
5 Jul 20, 08:42 PM
Valentina_moderator: Yes Pastor Antoinette and Nicholas, we need to see one positive side not only the negative side and Geshe-la has taught us that powerful lesson through Rinpoche. Another thing that Geshe-la advised in this episode is we have to accept our karma...
5 Jul 20, 08:39 PM
nicholas: Q4. Why did Geshe-la advise Tsem Rinpoche to call and apologise to his adoptive mother? A4: Geshe-la advise told Tsem Rinpoche the following: “You don’t only look at the negative things your mother did – you have to look at the positive. You’re here. Someone fed you. Someone gave you a house. You’re here in the centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. You call her and say you’re sorry for the things you said to her and for the things you thought about her.”
5 Jul 20, 08:38 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A4. Geshe-la asked Tsem Rinpoche to call his adoptive mom and apoligise for the hurt that he had caused he by running away. The reason why Geshe-la insisted was that Rinpoche should not only look at the negative things his mother did but also the positive. Rinpche was at the centre and received food and a home to stay. It is through her kindness that he could be in the centre learning the Dharma. Therefore Rinpoche had to call and say sorry for the things he said to his mom and for the things that he thought about her.
5 Jul 20, 08:38 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fhsam for your answer no 2 and 3 :)
5 Jul 20, 08:36 PM
Fhsam: A2 Rinpoche need to ask his to ask permission from first teacher Guru Kensur Rinpoche in New Jersey, if it was ok for him to stay and receive teachings from Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen. We need the blessings of our guru for any spiritual pursuits. A3. Kensur Rinpoche's response to Rinpoche's request to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen.....“You are very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as I am and his knowledge is very great. You should treat him like you would treat me.“Kensur Rinpoche has no ego and he praised Geshe-la to encourage Rinpoche's faith in his new teacher
5 Jul 20, 08:34 PM
Valentina_moderator: 4. Why did Geshe-la advise Tsem Rinpoche to call and apologise to his adoptive mother?
5 Jul 20, 08:34 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Valentina_moderator: 3. What was Kensur Rinpoche's response to Rinpoche's request to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? From this response, what can we understand about Kensur Rinpoche?

ANS 3:

Kensur Rinpoche's response to Tsem Rinpoche's request:

“You are very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as I am and his knowledge is very great. You should treat him like you would treat me.“

How Kensur Rinpoche responded to Tsem Rinpoche's request showed that Kensur Rinpoche had absolutely no ego about his student receiving teachings from another master because the situation deemed it very necessary.

In addition, Kensur Rinpoche praised Geshe-la to encourage Tsem Rinpoche's faith in Geshe-la.
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Pastor Shin: A3. Kensur Rinpoche told Rinpoche that Rinpoche was very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who was the same as Kensur Rinpoche and that his knowledge was very great. Kensur Rinpoche told Rinpoche that he should treat Geshe-la like how Rinpoche would treat Kensur Rinpoche. 



From the response, Kensur Rinpoche had absolutely no ego about Rinpoche receiving teachings from another master because the situation deemed it very necessary. Kensur Rinpoche’s response and permission instantly made Rinpoche’s faith in Kensur Rinpoche grow even stronger. 
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Joy: 3. What was Kensur Rinpoche's response to Rinpoche's request to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? From this response, what can we understand about Kensur Rinpoche?

> Kensur Rinpoche said “You are very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as I am and his knowledge is very great. You should treat him like you would treat me.“
> It showed us that Kensur Rinpoche is a true Lama without any ego and even praised Geshe-la, and allowed Rinpoche to receive teachings from another master.
> It showed that Kensur Rinpoche cared very much in Rinpoche’s Dharma education and practice.
5 Jul 20, 08:33 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette and Pastor Adeline :)
5 Jul 20, 08:32 PM
Pastor Adeline: A3. Kensur Rinpoche was very happy that Rinpoche has foud Geshe-la. He told Rinpoche that Gshe-la was a qualified spiritual guide and that Rinpoche should serve him like how Rinpoche would to Kensur Rinpoche.

From this we can see clarly that Kensur Rinpoche has no jealousy or ego. He had total respect for another teacher and that’s how it should be.
5 Jul 20, 08:32 PM
Valentina_moderator: Wow Nicholas - Nice to see you here.... yes you are right. From his response, we can see that Kensur Rinpoche has no ego. In fact he praised Geshe-la to encourage Rinpoche's faith in his new teacher :)
5 Jul 20, 08:32 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A3. The response was "You are very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as I am and his knowledge is very great. You should treat him like you would treat me."

Rinpoche shared that the way Kensur Rinpoche gave him permission instantly made his faith in him grow stronger. He writes that Kensur Rinpoche had no ego about Rinpoche receiving teachings from another master. All what Kensur Rinpoche cared about was Rinpoches Dharma education and practice from a qualified master.
5 Jul 20, 08:31 PM
nicholas: Q3. What was Kensur Rinpoche's response to Rinpoche's request to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? From this response, what can we understand about Kensur Rinpoche?
A3: Kensur Rinpoche said that Tsem Rinpoche is very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as Kensur Rinpoche and his knowledge is very great. Tsem Rinpoche should treat Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen like he would treat Kensur Rinpoche. Kensur Rinpoche had absolutely no ego about for his student receiving teachings from another master because the situation deemed it very necessary.
5 Jul 20, 08:28 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline :)
5 Jul 20, 08:28 PM
Pastor Adeline: A2. Rinpoche accepted the invitation from Geshe-la to join tsok on the very day they met. Rinpoche also met all Geshe-la's students and one of them liked Rinpoche very much. So he/she offered a lowered rental to Rinpoche so that Rinpoche can move into the single room downstairs. It was Rinpoch's dream came true.

Rinpoche quickly went back to his cousin Bob's place, packed and moved in. It was then that Rinpoche requested Geshe-la formally to accept him as a student. Prior to that, Rinpoch has askd permission from his first guru Kensur Lobsang Tharchin to learn from Geshe-la due to Rinpoche couldn't remain in New Jersy because of his parents adamant objections towards his life direction.

If it wasn't because of his parents, Rinpoch would continue to stay close to Kensur Rinpoche and would be happy to serve him and learn from him.
5 Jul 20, 08:25 PM
Valentina_moderator: 3. What was Kensur Rinpoche's response to Rinpoche's request to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? From this response, what can we understand about Kensur Rinpoche?
5 Jul 20, 08:25 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
5 Jul 20, 08:25 PM
Valentina_moderator: 2. What did Rinpoche do before becoming the student of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? Why?

ANS 2:

Before becoming Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen's student, Rinpoche requested permission from his first teacher, Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin.

The reason Rinpoche requested permission from his teacher is because we need the blessings of our guru for any spiritual pursuits. If we cannot study with our teacher for good reasons and we go to another teacher, we need the blessings of our first teacher. Otherwise we will not gain attainments or higher consciousness.

We need the blessings of our guru for any spiritual pursuits. If we cannot study with our teacher for good reasons and we go to another teacher, we need the blessings of our first teacher. Otherwise, we will not gain attainments or higher consciousness.
5 Jul 20, 08:24 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
5 Jul 20, 08:24 PM
Pastor Shin: A2. Rinpoche called up Kensur Lobsang Tharchin Rinpoche and apologised to Kensur Rinpoche for running away. Rinpoche then told Kensur Rinpoche what had happened, where Rinpoche was and what Rinpoche was doing and that Rinpoche had to leave because his parents were spreading very nasty rumours about Kensur Rinpoche and Rinpoche did not want them to hurt Kensur Rinpoche that way Rinpoche also apologised to Kensur Rinpoche for their defamation of him.



Rinpoche also explained to Kensur Rinpoche that Rinpoche could not return to New Jersey in the near future but Rinpoche wanted to continue studying the Dharma, and so Rinpoche asked Kensur Rinpoche for permission to take Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen as his teacher.
5 Jul 20, 08:23 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy for your answers in point form :)
5 Jul 20, 08:23 PM
Valentina_moderator: There was once a famous master, Milarepa, who ran away from his teacher, Marpa and obtained teaching from another teacher without proper permission from Marpa. When he could not obtain result from his practice, Milarepa returned to Marpa and apologize. From then on, he persevere in his training... https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chdbtozkx9426.jpg
5 Jul 20, 08:22 PM
Joy: 2. What did Rinpoche do before becoming the student of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? Why?

> Rinpoche asked Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen if he would formally accept him as his student and allow him to formally receive teachings from him.
> Based on the teachings on Guru Devotion, Rinpoche called his first Guru Kensur Rinpoche in New Jersey, to ask permission if it was ok for him to stay and receive teachings from Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen. We need the blessings of our guru for any spiritual pursuits.
> If Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin-la had said no, Rinpoche would not have stayed. So Rinpoche first apologised to Kensur Rinpoche for running away then explained and seek his permission to study under Geshe-la.
> Kensur Rinpoche said “You are very lucky to meet Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen who is the same as I am and his knowledge is very great. You should treat him like you would treat me.“
5 Jul 20, 08:21 PM
Valentina_moderator: You are right @Pastor Antoinette - Rinpoche requested permission from his first teacher, Kensur Rinpoche before becoming the student of Geshe-la because the relationship with one's teacher is very important and without good samaya, we cannot progress in our spiritual practice
5 Jul 20, 08:19 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. What did Rinpoche do before becoming the student of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? Why?

Rinpoche introduced himself to Geshe as a student of Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin from Howell, New Jersey. Before becoming Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen's student he called Kensur Rinpoche and asked his permission to take Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen as his teacher.
He asked permission because he had to had permission from his teacher and must obey him. The relationship with the Guru is very sacred and of very high priority.
5 Jul 20, 08:17 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chdbtox7q2982.jpg - The College of Oriental Studies where Rinpoche met with Dr. Leo Pruden
5 Jul 20, 08:16 PM
Valentina_moderator: Please proceed to answer question no. 2 - the article may seem like a story, but from Rinpoche's action, we can see that Rinpoche was practising guru devotion as described in the 50 verses of Guru Devotion
5 Jul 20, 08:15 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy...
5 Jul 20, 08:14 PM
Joy: Ans1:  > Venerable Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was Rinpoche’s 2nd Guru whom Rinpoche spent the most time with.
> It was by chance that Rinpoche met Geshe-la. After Rinpoche ran away to L.A. Rinpoche was looking for a Buddhist temple with a shrine and after a few failed attempts in Dharmadhatu, he went to College of Oriental Studies. Although the College was not a temple and had no shrine, there Rinpoche met with a nice man named Dr Leo Pruden who helped Rinpoche by bringing him to Thubten Dhargya Ling and introducing him to Geshe-la.
5 Jul 20, 08:14 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fhsam -
5 Jul 20, 08:13 PM
Fhsam: 1. Who was Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? How did Rinpoche meet with Geshe-la (Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen)? A1 Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was Rinpoche second Guru, . Rinpoche came to meet Geshe-la was totally by chance It was through Geshe-la that I met my root Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. It was through Geshe-la that I was formally introduced to Dorje Shugden.
5 Jul 20, 08:13 PM
Valentina_moderator: 2. What did Rinpoche do before becoming the student of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? Why?
5 Jul 20, 08:12 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
5 Jul 20, 08:12 PM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? How did Rinpoche meet with Geshe-la (Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen)?

ANS 1:

Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was the founder of Thubten Dhargye Ling Dharma centre in Los Angeles and H.E. Tsem Rinpoche's second teacher.

Rinpoche met with Geshe-la through Dr. Leo Pruden, a professor at the College of Oriental Studies. When Rinpoche arrived in LA, he was looking for an altar to pray. So he went to the College of Oriental Studies thinking that this place has an altar. This was where he met with Dr. Pruden. Dr. Pruden then brought Rinpoche to Thubten Dhargye Ling and introduced Rinpoche to Geshe-la.
5 Jul 20, 08:12 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
5 Jul 20, 08:12 PM
Pastor Shin: A1. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen is Rinpoche’s second Guru, out of Rinpoche’s 16 Gurus. Geshe-la is the Guru Rinpoche spent the most time with, whether on a personal one-on-one basis or receiving formal teachings. It was through Geshe-la that Rinpoche met his root guru, Kyabje Zone Rinpoche.

Rinpoche met Geshe-la by chance. After Rinpoche ran away from New Jersey and arrived in Los Angeles, Rinpoche started looking for a place to do his practice. Rinpoche met Dr. Leo Pruden of College of Oriental Studies, who then drove Rinpoche to a Dharma centre called Thubten Dhargye Ling (TDL) where Geshe-la was based.
5 Jul 20, 08:11 PM
Valentina_moderator: Yes Pastor Antoinette, Rinpoche met with Geshe-la through Dr. Leo Pruden, a professor at the College of Oriental Studies
5 Jul 20, 08:10 PM
Pastor Antoinette: It was through Geshe-la that Rinpoche met his root Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and he was formally intoduced to Dorje Shugden. When Rinpche ran away from New Jersey he found the University of Oriental Studies. It was Dr. Pruden who drove Rinpoche to the Dharma centre Thubten Dhargye Ling (TDL) where he met Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen.
5 Jul 20, 08:09 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline :)
5 Jul 20, 08:09 PM
Pastor Adeline: A1. Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was one of Rinpoche's 16 gurus. He was Rinpoche's second guru. It was through Geshe-la that Rinpoche met with his root guru, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.

Dr. Pruden took Rinpoche to Geshe-la as Rinpoche was looing for an altar/dharma centre.
5 Jul 20, 08:08 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening Fhsam - nice to see you here :)
5 Jul 20, 08:07 PM
Fhsam: Good evening Rinpoche , Moderator and everyone
5 Jul 20, 08:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette - Can you share with us how Rinpoche met with Geshe-la?
5 Jul 20, 08:05 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 1. Who was Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? How did Rinpoche meet with Geshe-la (Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen)?

Venerable Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen was H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's second Guru and Rinpoche spend the most time with him either on a one-on-one basis or through formal teachings.
5 Jul 20, 08:05 PM
Valentina_moderator: I mean - a precious picture of Tsem Rinpoche and his teacher, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen --> a precious teacher of Tsem Rinpoche and his teacher, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen
5 Jul 20, 08:04 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening Pastor Antoinette... thank you for joining us today :)
5 Jul 20, 08:03 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Good evening Rinpoche, good evening Valentina and everyone
5 Jul 20, 08:03 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chdbtot8n6489.jpg - a precious teacher of Tsem Rinpoche and his teacher, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen
5 Jul 20, 08:03 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening Joy :D
5 Jul 20, 08:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was Ven. Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen? How did Rinpoche meet with Geshe-la (Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen)?
5 Jul 20, 08:01 PM
Joy: Good evening all
5 Jul 20, 08:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: ok... first question...
5 Jul 20, 08:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hi Pastor Adeline, nice to see you here
5 Jul 20, 08:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening pastor Shin...
5 Jul 20, 08:00 PM
Pastor Adeline: Hello
5 Jul 20, 08:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hi everyone... welcome to the chatroom - Today we will learn about guru devotion in practice through studying the relationship between H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche and one of his teachers, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen :)
5 Jul 20, 07:59 PM
Pastor Shin: Good evening!
5 Jul 20, 07:47 PM
Valentina_moderator: Looking forward to chatting with you…

Today’s blog chat topic is

How Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen changed my life

See you!!

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=188163

30 Jun 20, 10:52 PM
Jacinta Goh: I would like to dedicate this little merit that I've gathered (Hopefully there is ) for the swift return of His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche.

Thank you Rinpoche and Good night.
P/S: Don't worry, I'll continue to share whenever possible. Rinpoche's blog is such a sacred space for me, hopefully for others too.
30 Jun 20, 10:48 PM
Jacinta Goh: I don't know why but I can definitely tell you that Rinpoche has a special place in my heart. Last but not least, I dedicate this small virtue that I've gathered hopefully there is
30 Jun 20, 10:42 PM
Jacinta Goh: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/S-dept-0.4-1024x680.jpg He is none other than H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche, the founder and spiritual guide of Kechara.
30 Jun 20, 10:40 PM
Jacinta Goh: Rinpoche's in ceremonial robes https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/official-portraits/ming-41752.jpg
30 Jun 20, 10:38 PM
Jacinta Goh: Visiting Kelantan, 2011 https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/official-portraits/k1.jpg
30 Jun 20, 10:38 PM
Jacinta Goh: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/official-portraits/official_008.jpg A picture of Rinpoche after being recognised as a Tulku.
30 Jun 20, 10:36 PM
Jacinta Goh: This picture was taken in India when Rinpoche and a group of students went back to make 3000 offerings of Manjushri statues to the monks in Gaden Monastery. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/official-portraits/tiger01-email.jpg
30 Jun 20, 10:34 PM
Jacinta Goh:
Today, I would like to share the one, and only one article : Rinpoche's photo album. I am thankful for this for it brings back good memories. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/official-portraits/official_015.jpg

Being ordained as a monk was the happiest time in Rinpoche's life. Since young, Rinpoche had always wanted to become ordained and join the Sangha.
30 Jun 20, 10:29 PM
Jacinta Goh: Actually, I was inspired by a Kecharian, named Pee Bee. At that time, I was rather new but a regular in this blog. I saw her posting everyday and every time, she will abruptly ended her posting just before midnight. Later on, she told me that she needed to recite the King of Prayers just before midnight. Her sharing continued for 6 months (if i remembered correctly) and I was dumbfounded.

And now, I thought maybe this is a great way for me to do so too.

Hence, I would like to let her know that I am so thankful for what you did!'
30 Jun 20, 10:15 PM
Jacinta Goh: Good evening Rinpoche and others.

My sharing in this chat has finally come to an end. I've promised myself that within the month of June, I shall social media Rinpoche's blog and here I am, carrying out my duty for the last day. (Don't get me wrong, this blog continues anyway
30 Jun 20, 08:20 PM
Valentina: This Sunday’s blog chat topic is

How Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen changed my life


https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=188163



See you on Sunday
29 Jun 20, 09:51 PM
Jacinta Goh: I love the night and its quietness. Night is a wonderful opportunity for us to take rest, time for contemplation, time to relax and be true to our own feelings. That's why I love to read at night. I hope you all love these stories .... Till then, good night.
29 Jun 20, 09:38 PM
Jacinta Goh: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/NantuosLamp-01.jpg
Nantuo’s Lamp

Nantuo was an old woman who had nothing but the ragged clothes on her back. She had to beg for alms daily just to live from hand to mouth and sometimes Nantuo would go for days without food. On one especially harsh and cold day, Nantuo struggled to find anyone who would give her even some loose change.

Read more here : https://bit.ly/2CSUGvB
29 Jun 20, 09:34 PM
Jacinta Goh: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/KarmaCycleMartin001.jpg
Breaking Out of The Vicious Cycle of Karma

Chasing careers, paying bills and meeting family; responsibilities are all normal things that an upright and responsible person would do but such is the condition of our time that even behaving ‘normally’ takes us away from the Dharma. For most people, at best Dharma practice becomes a ‘part-time’ endeavour even though the desire to practise is sincere.

Read more here : https://bit.ly/2YJ53ui
29 Jun 20, 09:26 PM
Jacinta Goh:
Stories from a Chela – Spiritual Nourishment for All https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/SFACSpiritualNourishment-01.jpg

In my eyes, Tsem Rinpoche is truly unique. His drive to provide spiritual nourishment and encouragement to all transcends forms of cultural barriers and social norms. All Rinpoche wants is for people to benefit from continuing their spiritual journey, becoming kinder people, creating a better life for themselves and reaching higher states of consciousness. This may sound cliché as it is what any real Buddhist should be aiming for, but my experiences have shown me that Rinpoche is the real deal.

Read more here : https://bit.ly/388K6Mw
29 Jun 20, 09:23 PM
Jacinta Goh:
The beautiful town of Namche Bazaar, Nepal when the night falls

Namche Bazaar is a town that lies in the north-eastern part of Nepal. It is located in the Khumbu Pasanglhamu Rural Municipality in the Solukhumbu District of Province No. 1 in Nepal. The town sits perched 34,400 meters above sea level on the slope of an arch-shaped mountain.

Read more here : https://bit.ly/2BLusdY
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/namchebazaar003.jpg
29 Jun 20, 09:20 PM
Jacinta Goh: Good evening Rinpoche and others..
Hi, everyone ! How was your day? I hope by now, many of you have started to wind down and have some 'personal' time on your own. Hence, let me introduce to you a few One-Minute articles that might interest you.
28 Jun 20, 10:31 PM
Jacinta Goh: H.E Kyabje Tsem Tulku Rinpoche has indeed helped many people. There are many more of such cases not being recorded down.

Thank you Rinpoche and others.
28 Jun 20, 10:27 PM
Jacinta Goh:
Miracles of Tsem Rinpoche:

The true story of Dato’ Eric Tan| 詹仁波切的奇迹:拿督陈的真实故事 https://bit.ly/2YCzBhk https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/20120815_190841.jpg
28 Jun 20, 10:18 PM
Jacinta Goh: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/20150222_224152.jpg https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/h8_thumb.jpg https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/h6_thumb.jpg https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/h2_thumb.jpg
Rinpoche saving lives in hospitals | 仁波切在医院济生
https://bit.ly/3eHWdm2
28 Jun 20, 10:15 PM
Jacinta Goh:
Miracles of Tsem Rinpoche:

The true story of Ah Hao | 詹仁波切的奇迹:阿豪的真实故事 https://bit.ly/31mwqfu https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/e01.jpg
28 Jun 20, 10:12 PM
Jacinta Goh: Miracle Story :

The true story of a Maoshan master | 詹仁波切的奇迹:茅山师父的真实故事 https://bit.ly/2B9TTpH https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/story-10-comic-1e.jpg
28 Jun 20, 09:21 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Rinpoche for creating this blog chat for people to learn and share... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
28 Jun 20, 09:21 PM
Joy_Moderator: Have a good rest of the evening 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
28 Jun 20, 09:20 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina.
28 Jun 20, 09:20 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sam! And good night :)
28 Jun 20, 09:20 PM
Fhsam: thank you Rinpoche , Moderator joy and everyone in chat room. Good night stay safe A 6 because our motivation was never based on them. Our motivation was based for them, not on them, for them. Thank again Joy
28 Jun 20, 09:18 PM
Valentina: Bye Jacinta, chat with you again next week
28 Jun 20, 09:17 PM
Valentina: ANS 6:

Dharma is not the offerings we make everyday, the sadhana we do, or the Dharma work we do. Dharma is the complete turnabout of our attitude and the way we see things and the way we perceive, and everything else is to facilitate that. Dharma is how much the other person does to you, within and without Dharma, you don’t become discouraged because your motivation was never based on them. Your motivation was based for them, not on them, for them.

An example is perhaps before Dharma, a person will flip everytime s/he is blamed unjustly or after receiving rude treatment. But after studying the Dharma and changing his/her perspective, s/he is able to tahan this kind of treatment because their mood and mind stability is no longer based on other people's treatment towards them.
28 Jun 20, 09:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: Good night Jacinta and thanks for chatting with us :)
28 Jun 20, 09:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Sam... and you don't become discourage because?
28 Jun 20, 09:15 PM
Jacinta Goh: Good night and Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Antoinette, Moderator Joy, Sam and Valentina.
28 Jun 20, 09:15 PM
Fhsam: . A6 It is the complete turnabout of our attitude and the way we see things and the way we perceive, and everything else is to facilitate that. Dharma is pervasive. Dharma is how much the other person does to you, within and without Dharma, you don’t become discouraged.
28 Jun 20, 09:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: We have come to an end for tonight's blog chat. Please do not forget to do your dedications 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
28 Jun 20, 09:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: 6. Is Dharma the offerings we make everyday, the sadhana we do, our Dharma work? What exactly is really Dharma, what’s the secret as mentioned by Rinpoche? You can give an example describe your point.

- No those are not Dharma.
- Dharma is when we’ve entered Dharma and listen to the holy teachings of Lord Buddha up till now, and if we’ve seen our mind expand and we are able to bear things that we normally would not able to bear, that ability from Day One till now is Dharma.
- It is your ability to tahan (tolerate) people who are not practicing Dharma, who are not doing spiritual practice, who are not good people, your ability to put up with them, happily, continuously, is Dharma. So that’s the secret.
- Dharma is how much the other person does to you, you don’t become discouraged because your motivation was never based on them. Your motivation was based for them, not on them.
- For example many of us are here in the Dharma for someone, it is either for someone we love, for our Guru, for our parents, children, someone we love, so we continue to do Dharma work because we know its value and we wish to collect merits for them. It is not based on them because so many of us are in the Dharma today is not because our loved ones are in the Dharma with us. It does not matter whether they are doing Dharma or not, but we are the ones doing it and we happily do it FOR THEM. When we live for others, or we live on the basis of others, our attitude will be different. 
28 Jun 20, 09:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: - Dharma is how much the other person does to you, you don’t become discouraged because your motivation was never based on them. Your motivation was based for them, not on them.
28 Jun 20, 09:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: True Jacinta... not reacting negatively to others and their harm is Dharma
28 Jun 20, 09:08 PM
Jacinta Goh: A6: Dharma is not about sadhana, offerings or Dharma works that we have done. Dharma is transformation of mind. Dharma is the complete turnabout of our attitude and the way we see things and the way we perceive, and everything else is to facilitate that.We are able to take in everything. When we are being harmed, we don't react back negatively or bring harms to others.
28 Jun 20, 09:03 PM
Joy_Moderator: Last question for this evening 6. Is Dharma the offerings we make everyday, the sadhana we do, our Dharma work? What exactly is really Dharma, what’s the secret as mentioned by Rinpoche? You can give an example describe your point.
28 Jun 20, 09:02 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Explain how does spiritual practice change our mind? Give an example to elaborate your point.

- Spiritual practice changes our mind here is the change of attitude.
- It is a change or transformation of our perspective and how we look at things that creates this change in attitude in us.
- So how we look at things changes and at the same time the beauty of it is nothing changes. We remain as we are, our identity. Male, female, Malaysian, foreigner. Our preferences, we like to eat this food, we like to go to sleep at this time, we like to wear this kind of clothes, we like this kind of fashion. None of that changes but your whole perspective and approach to it completely changes.
- So for example, perhaps previously we used to love to hang out and yum cha, so now we hang out and yum cha to nurture people into listening to the Dharma, to do some Dharma work, to collect some merits and to help them find some release.
28 Jun 20, 09:02 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina and that's very good Sam... like you enjoy jungle trekking and you can still do that now, but perhaps now when you do that, as you walk through the jungles, you can also chant some mantras so the insects, animals and beings in the jungle can be blessed and yes you can skilfully share some Dharma with like minded friends :)
28 Jun 20, 08:59 PM
Joy_Moderator: That's a very good example Jacinta. Actually, a lot of things we do in life do not need to change, it more about the motivation behind it and how we think that changes. We all love food and love to eat, as we can see during MCO but perhaps now we eat to be healthy so we can prolong our life and do more Dharma work :)
28 Jun 20, 08:59 PM
Fhsam: A5 It is a change of attitude. . spiritual practice is the transformation of our perspective and how we look at things.everything round us, and at the same time the beauty of it is nothing changes. Yes.. true as said by Joy...now as i met my friends , i try to share dharma with them. tell them more dharma , from compassion , helping up in KSK encourage them not to harm animals etc. What i know i share with them....all dharma.
28 Jun 20, 08:59 PM
Valentina: ANS 5:

Spiritual practice change our mind by helping us to change our perspective and how we look at things. Example, before coming into Dharma, we may have a set of values and projections of how things should be. When things did not happen in accordance with our projection, we become unhappy. But after we study and contemplate on the impermanence and the law of karma, our perspective may change and we understand that holding on to our projection will not do us any good, and therefore our perspective change.
28 Jun 20, 08:56 PM
Jacinta Goh: 5. It changes our view, changes how we look at thing and how we react upon it. Last time I used to rejoice for those stole, who killed and smugglers to be punished. Especially if they are being sentenced to death.. Now after knowing karma and how it affects us, i have developed a sense of compassion for them and worry for their eventual result, especially in their next life. I will pray that they will not habituated themselves in killings or having shorter life. Outwardly, I'm still the same Jacinta but inwardly, I slowly generated compassion and have empathy.
28 Jun 20, 08:53 PM
Joy_Moderator: It is a change or transformation of our perspective and how we look at things that creates this change in attitude in us. So how we look at things changes and at the same time the beauty of it is nothing changes.

Example, perhaps previously we used to love to hang out and yum cha, so now we hang out and yum cha to nurture people into listening to the Dharma, to do some Dharma work, to collect some merits and to help them find some release.
28 Jun 20, 08:48 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Explain how does spiritual practice actually change our mind? Give an example to elaborate your point.
28 Jun 20, 08:47 PM
Joy_Moderator: 4. Some people say they are happy with their life and they do not need to do Dharma and bear/tahan anything, what would you say to them? And what happens when reality falls apart?
- Well, we can ask them, are they sure that their life will always be life that? And even if physically they are comfortable, wealthy and they have everything, how about mentally? Because physically, things may not change but mentally, in relationships with people, in finances, in stability, in jobs, in friendships, does it remain stable? If they are, then they would be happy all the time.
- The minute someone leaves us, the whole world falls apart. Our whole world falls apart. Our whole reality falls apart. The minute we lose some money, our whole reality falls apart. The minute someone says something to us that we don’t like, our reality falls apart. The minute someone shows us a black face, or an unpleasant word, our reality falls apart. And when our reality falls apart, we affect everybody around us; the way we act, the way we talk, the way we react, we hurt everybody and we damage, and sometimes the damage we do to people around us takes a long time to recover or it never recovers.
 For me the biggest impact was losing my spouse and my whole world literally crumbled down. If it was not for Rinpoche and the Dharma, I doubt I would still be alive here today. Was quite happy to be dead at that time lol.
28 Jun 20, 08:47 PM
Jacinta Goh: 👏👏👏 to Sam.
28 Jun 20, 08:46 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Valentina... and we Rinpoche always tries to break that view that things will always be the "same" and in a way, help us to not be so attached to certain things in our lives
28 Jun 20, 08:46 PM
Fhsam: Moderator Joy my pleasure....i am learning as well from reading those blogs .
28 Jun 20, 08:44 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sam for Ans 3 & 4 and yes thank you for posting a lot and sharing Rinpoche's teachings on social media 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
28 Jun 20, 08:43 PM
Valentina: ANS 4:

For people who are happy and they do not need to bear and tahan anything, I would say that this kind of happiness is conditional and when the situation that makes them happy and comfortable changes, their comfort, sense of reality and happiness will be impacted.

When the reality of these persons falls apart, we will react/ act in a way that adversely affects everybody around us.
28 Jun 20, 08:43 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta, very well said!
28 Jun 20, 08:41 PM
Fhsam: thxs will do..A3 The beauty of spiritual practice is nothing really changes on the outside, but yet your attitude which will impact how you react in a certain situation change. Example I am not good in computer but doing social media i do my best to learn from scratch so as my dharma practice , knowledge of Buddhism . learning a little by little. A4 when our reality falls apart, we affect everybody around us; the way we act, the way we talk, the way we react, we hurt everybody and we damage, and sometimes the damage we do to people around us takes a long time to recover or it never recovers.

So, when we do spiritual practice, it changes our mind, and it changes…
28 Jun 20, 08:41 PM
Jacinta Goh: Hello Pastor Niral
28 Jun 20, 08:40 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Hello Pastor Niral
28 Jun 20, 08:40 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A4. Things like our situation, relationships, and so on do not stay stable. We need an inward cushion otherwise our whole world falls apart. When our reality falls apart the way we act and talk can hurt others and damage people we know and it can take a long time to recover from it or it never recovers.
28 Jun 20, 08:40 PM
Jacinta Goh: 4. I will tell them that things will not stay the same forever. Are we mentally prepared when things going topsy turvy? Are we able to accept the fact that we might lose everything? If we can't even imagined that to happen, then maybe we should incorporate Dharma in out life. At least when reality falls apart, we will be cushioned
28 Jun 20, 08:40 PM
Joy_Moderator: We're at #4 now so just jump right in...
28 Jun 20, 08:39 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hello Pastor Niral... I see you've had your dinner. Hope it was a lovely dinner and not too rush :D Glad you could join us.
28 Jun 20, 08:38 PM
Niral Patel: Hello everyone!
28 Jun 20, 08:37 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hahaha... yup.... that's what Rinpoche does... the more you hate, the more he will make you do it.
28 Jun 20, 08:35 PM
Jacinta Goh: From the personal examples given by you all, looks like the things that we hated the most, can be turned into spiritual practice..
28 Jun 20, 08:34 PM
Joy_Moderator: 4. Some people say they are happy with their life and they do not need to do Dharma and bear/tahan anything, what would you say to them? And what happens when reality falls apart?
28 Jun 20, 08:34 PM
Joy_Moderator: That is a great example Valentina :)
28 Jun 20, 08:33 PM
Joy_Moderator: Another example I have is that, well, I would have never thought I could paint or write, put Rinpoche again pushed me to do these, and now I no longer fear it. Also, alot of times Rinpoche would pair or team us up with people we would never be friends with in real life... and he will make us work as a team to accomplish an assignment.
28 Jun 20, 08:32 PM
Valentina: ANS 3:

The beauty of spiritual practice is nothing really changes on the outside, but yet your attitude which will impact how you react in a certain situation change. For example, before coming to Malaysia, I hardly do any cooking and thought that cooking was not for me. And yet, Rinpoche trained me to cook many different dishes and to be creative to come up with various options. In this way, not only I acquire new skills, but the barrier that said "I am not supposed to be a cook" has also been torn down.
28 Jun 20, 08:30 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sam, just jump right in on Q3
28 Jun 20, 08:30 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Pastor Antoinette, any example? Give me your own example :) Am sure u have a lot.
28 Jun 20, 08:30 PM
Fhsam: 1. In one sentence, what is spiritual practice as mentioned by Rinpoche. A1:Spiritual practice is change of attitude.
28 Jun 20, 08:29 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A3. As you do more spiritual practice, real and transformative spiritual practice, you will see that your mind becomes light, and very happy, very bright and you will see that you accept things. You mind will expand so that you are able to forbear things you couldn't before. You can accept things that you could not before
28 Jun 20, 08:29 PM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What is the beauty of real spiritual practice that one can see/experience? Explain with an example.

- The beauty of spiritual practice is, as you do more and more spiritual practice, real spiritual practice, transformative spiritual practice, you will see your mind become light. You will see your mind become very happy, very bright and you will see that you accept things easier.
- Even in the few months that you’re in the Dharma, you can see your mind expanding.
- For Example, things that you normally would not have been able to tahan, to take, to forebear, you are able to forbear now. Things that you thought, “Oh my god, I will never be able to do that, I will never wanna do that, I’ll never want to be that, this, this,” – whatever it is you have a projection of, even after one week in the Dharma, after listening to the Dharma with your heart, with your intelligence, you will say, “I can bear it.”
- That is an indication that when we open our hearts to the Dharma and we apply it, things that we are not able to do before, we are able to do. Things that we found unbearable, we are able to bear. 
28 Jun 20, 08:28 PM
Jacinta Goh: 🙌
28 Jun 20, 08:28 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes good example @Jacinta... think the things we usually cannot tahan or we think we cannot do but now we tahan and we can do. Like I really dislike computers and social media, Rinpoche made me learn and overcome my phobia and also made me learn basic graphic designing. Now I don't fear the computer so much and am more open to learning new things :)
28 Jun 20, 08:28 PM
Fhsam: I am fine Moderator joy ..Did ask him this morning...Hello Jacinta
28 Jun 20, 08:27 PM
Jacinta Goh: I wonder FH Sam means Sam Foon Hei?
28 Jun 20, 08:26 PM
Jacinta Goh: Hello Sam
28 Jun 20, 08:26 PM
Joy_Moderator: @Sam, should encourge Jason to join too next time :)
28 Jun 20, 08:26 PM
Jacinta Goh: A3: The beauty of it is, nothing changes. Why? In spiritual practice, as we do more and more spiritual practice, real spiritual practice, transformative spiritual practice, we will see our mind become light, very happy, very bright and our acceptance of things or situation grow. Our mind expands. .

Example, things that we will find it difficult, we can forbear. We can even find solution to our problem rather than avoiding it.
28 Jun 20, 08:25 PM
Joy_Moderator: Good evening Sam! How are you... no worries, glad you still made it :)
28 Jun 20, 08:25 PM
Fhsam: Good evening Rinpoche , Moderator Joy and everyone in chat room. i am late some problem with my laptop.
28 Jun 20, 08:25 PM
Joy_Moderator: True but not quite the answer I was looking for... I gave you a clue just now... transformative spiritual practice and think one example to share that describes it :)
28 Jun 20, 08:23 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A3. Real spiritual practice changes our mind. It is a change of attitude, a change of perspective. How we look at things changes everything around us and at the same time, nothing changes. Because we remain as we are but our approach and whole perspective changes completely.
28 Jun 20, 08:21 PM
Joy_Moderator: real spiritual practice = transformative spiritual practice
28 Jun 20, 08:20 PM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What is the beauty of real spiritual practice that one can see/experience? Explain with an example.
28 Jun 20, 08:20 PM
Joy_Moderator: Very true... that is why whenever we are asked to do something with Rinpoche, it is always "today", no "tomorrows" as much as we can > Jacinta Goh: Yes. Especially time. We always think that we have time, hence the word 'tomorrow'.
28 Jun 20, 08:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you @Valentina
28 Jun 20, 08:19 PM
Jacinta Goh: Yes. Especially time. We always think that we have time, hence the word 'tomorrow'.
28 Jun 20, 08:18 PM
Joy_Moderator: 2. What is so wrong about chasing our goals?

- There is nothing wrong in chasing our goals but if your whole life is just going after and then once achieved that goal, we want another goal and another. We change goals, or we want a higher goal. We want a better goal. We want a different goal. And our whole life is chasing after some goal.
- And in the process of chasing goals, we lose our time, we lose our youth, we lose our friends. Sometimes we lose our partners. Sometimes we lose our people who cares for us, that are close to us. Sometimes we lose things that really matter in our lives.
- So when we chase after these goals, we have to understand and realise that all these goals only bring up temporary happiness. That is why once we get it, we want something else, something more. We are never satisfied. We need to ask are these goals that we chase after legitimate? Do they really bring about some kind of stable, unchanging happiness? The key word is unchanging happiness or permanent happiness. So if they don’t give us permanent happiness, then that is why we end up being trap in a vicious cycle of suffering, where we are never truly satisfied, contented, at peace or happy with our life.
28 Jun 20, 08:18 PM
Valentina: ANS 2:

In the process of chasing our secular goals, we lose our time, youth and sometimes people that we love. The goals will never end because once we achieve one goal, we will want another goal.
28 Jun 20, 08:18 PM
Joy_Moderator: This is the sad part about chasing samsaric goals as mentioned by Rinpoche... "in the process of chasing goals, we lose our time, we lose our youth, we lose our friends. Sometimes we lose our partners. Sometimes we lose our people who cares for us, that are close to us. Sometimes we lose things that really matter in our lives."
28 Jun 20, 08:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: You are most welcome Jacinta
28 Jun 20, 08:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: This is true Jacinta because we've seen how so many "successful" people who have everything but they are still very unhappy. Some of them suffer from deep depression > More unhappiness ensued and we don't have real purpose or meaning of living.
28 Jun 20, 08:15 PM
Jacinta Goh: Oh, thank you for that answer Moderator.
28 Jun 20, 08:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: When I ask 2. What is so wrong about chasing our goals? it is not that having goals is wrong but it is the attitude and actions behind it. Yes as what you mentioned Pastor Antoinette that it is a false sense of happiness.
28 Jun 20, 08:13 PM
Jacinta Goh: A2: In the process of chasing goal, we lose a lot of our time, our youth, our friends. Sometimes we even lose our partners or people that are close to us. Sometimes we lose things that really, really matter in our lives. We thought by chasing that, we achieved happiness but it's often not the case. More unhappiness ensued and we don't have real purpose or meaning of living.
28 Jun 20, 08:12 PM
Pastor Antoinette: A2. When we chase goals, we get happier but it doesn't last. We always change goals, we want higher goals and lose our time, our youth and friends. We have to make sure our goals are legitimate and they bring stable and unchanging happiness
28 Jun 20, 08:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Valentina
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