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22 Aug 19, 11:08 PM
Callista: Thanks and good night Rinpoche, PHN, and everyone
22 Aug 19, 11:07 PM
Elaine: Thank you everyone and good night.
22 Aug 19, 11:07 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
22 Aug 19, 11:07 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Thank you Rinpoche and everyone .Good night.
22 Aug 19, 11:05 PM
Cc: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone
22 Aug 19, 11:05 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Jacinta and all. Good night.
22 Aug 19, 11:04 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Remember to do dedication.
22 Aug 19, 11:04 PM
Cc: A11.In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”
22 Aug 19, 11:04 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Jacinta and everyone. Good night.
22 Aug 19, 11:04 PM
Cc: A9.Because he knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 11:04 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Thanks for joining everyone.
22 Aug 19, 11:03 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Good night, Pastor Han Nee
22 Aug 19, 11:02 PM
Pastor Han Nee: I am afraid I need to stop here. Thank you Jacinta and everyone. Goodnight.
22 Aug 19, 11:01 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: We must understand that Helmut Gassner has translated for many high lamas, including His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Hence, he knows everything about Tibetan Buddhism, especially in our lineage.
22 Aug 19, 11:01 PM
Callista: A11:“In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”
22 Aug 19, 11:01 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A11. "In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”Having been in the close company of many of the leading lamas of that period, including the Dalai Lama, Helmut Gassner has an appreciative and deep understanding of Dorje Shugden.Helmut Gassner’s devotion to his teacher, the dharma and the truth compelled him to speak up and his words are timeless and powerful.
22 Aug 19, 11:01 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A6 :He translated for His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
22 Aug 19, 10:59 PM
CarynW: A11: He said, “In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”
22 Aug 19, 10:59 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The following was said:
22 Aug 19, 10:58 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A11 : “In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”
22 Aug 19, 10:58 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A5 :Geshe Rabten Rinpoche gave him some words of advice, saying:

“This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:58 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q9. Why does all the events, accusations, statements, discrimination and fights that occurred following the Dalai Lama’s move to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden irk Helmut Gassner?
The events, accusations, arguments, statements, discrimination and fights that occurred following the Dalai Lama’s move to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden and label it as something negative, irked Helmut Gassner to say the very least. Because he knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:58 PM
Elaine: A11. He said, “In his lifetime there was hardly a significant figure of the Gaden tradition who had not been Pabongka Rinpoche’s disciple. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was the one capable of receiving and passing on the entirety of the Oral Gaden Tradition once again. The Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of that tradition.”
22 Aug 19, 10:57 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9 : Because he knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:57 PM
shelly tai: A8: the Dalai Lama told him, “I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.” That was the last time Helmut Gassner interpreted for the Dalai Lama.
22 Aug 19, 10:57 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Last question for today Q11. What has he said in a matter of fact manner regarding Dorje Shugden?
22 Aug 19, 10:56 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A4: in 1978, he was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States, where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:55 PM
Callista: A9:He knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:54 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A3 :Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland
22 Aug 19, 10:54 PM
CarynW: A9: It is because Helmut Gassner knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:53 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9. They irked Helmut Gassner because he knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:53 PM
Cc: A8.I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”
22 Aug 19, 10:53 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Grace, just for your info Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche was known as Milarepa. Read more about Him here https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/venerable-geshe-rabten-rinpoche-known-as-milarepa.html
22 Aug 19, 10:52 PM
Elaine: A9. The DS ban and the incidents that followed irked Helmut Gassner very much because he knows for a fact that the practice of Dorje Shugden is an integral part of the Gaden Tradition.
22 Aug 19, 10:52 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q9. Why does all the events, accusations, statements, discrimination and fights that occurred following the Dalai Lama’s move to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden irk Helmut Gassner?
22 Aug 19, 10:51 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q8. What did the Dalai Lama say to him in Berlin, the last time that he acted as interpreter for the Dalai Lama?
A8:After having interpreted for the Dalai Lama during a series of events organised by the University for Peace in Berlin, they said goodbye to each other at the airport, where the Dalai Lama told him, “I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.” That was the last time Helmut Gassner interpreted for the Dalai Lama.
22 Aug 19, 10:51 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A2 :He became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche
22 Aug 19, 10:51 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Thanks for the correct answer.
22 Aug 19, 10:50 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A8. The Dalai Lama told him, “I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”That was HH's last words to Helmut Gassner, when they said goodbye to each other at the airport.
22 Aug 19, 10:50 PM
CarynW: A8: The Dalai Lama said ““I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”
22 Aug 19, 10:50 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A1: Being inquisitive in nature, he grew up to graduate as an electrical engineer in 1976 from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich, in Switzerland. He said he chose to do this because he wanted to know how radios worked!
22 Aug 19, 10:49 PM
Callista: A8:“I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”
22 Aug 19, 10:49 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A8 : The Dalai Lama told him, “I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”
22 Aug 19, 10:49 PM
Cc: Hi phn.
22 Aug 19, 10:48 PM
Cc: A7.As if by some divine plan, Helmut Gassner’s role as the Dalai Lama’s interpreter ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:48 PM
Elaine: A8. When they said their last goodbyes at Berlin, the Dalai Lama told him, “I never worry when you are there as my interpreter.”
22 Aug 19, 10:48 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q8. What did the Dalai Lama say to him in Berlin, the last time that he acted as interpreter for the Dalai Lama?
22 Aug 19, 10:47 PM
shelly tai: A7: As if by some divine plan, Helmut Gassner’s role as the Dalai Lama’s interpreter ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:47 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q7. When did Helmut Gassner’s role as interpreter for the Dalai Lama end and what is the significant coincidence?
Ans 7:As if by some divine plan, Helmut Gassner’s role as the Dalai Lama’s interpreter ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:47 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Thing has changed drastically for Dorje Shugden practitioners since then.
22 Aug 19, 10:47 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Caroline.
22 Aug 19, 10:46 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Grace.
22 Aug 19, 10:46 PM
Cc: A6.His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama.
22 Aug 19, 10:46 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A7. It ended in 1995, just a year before just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:46 PM
CarynW: A7: Helmut’s interpreter role for the Dalai Lama ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:46 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Just reach home after puja.Let me catch up the topic
22 Aug 19, 10:45 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Hi Grace. Great to see you here..
22 Aug 19, 10:45 PM
Cc: A5.“This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:45 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : As if by some divine plan, Helmut Gassner’s role as the Dalai Lama’s interpreter ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:44 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room.
22 Aug 19, 10:44 PM
Elaine: A7 As if by some divine plan, Helmut Gassner’s role as the Dalai Lama’s interpreter ended just a year before the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden in 1996.
22 Aug 19, 10:44 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q7. When did Helmut Gassner’s role as interpreter for the Dalai Lama end and what is the significant coincidence?
22 Aug 19, 10:43 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Correct.

Being one of only a handful of Westerners who were studying Tibetan Buddhism with Geshe Rabten (one of the most senior lamas at that time) and able to speak English, he ended up interpreting for many important lamas.Amongst them, he translated for His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama between 1979 and 1995.
22 Aug 19, 10:42 PM
CarynW: A6: Helmut Gassner became translator to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama between 1979 and 1995.
22 Aug 19, 10:42 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
22 Aug 19, 10:42 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A6. Helmut Gassner became translator to His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama between 1979 and 1995.
22 Aug 19, 10:42 PM
Callista: A6: His Holiness 14 Dalai Lama
22 Aug 19, 10:41 PM
shelly tai: A6: His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
22 Aug 19, 10:41 PM
Elaine: A6. He became the translator for His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama between 1979 and 1995.
22 Aug 19, 10:40 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q6. Who did Helmut Gassner become translator to between 1979 and 1995?
22 Aug 19, 10:39 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Thank you and here's the answer for Q5. What did Geshe Rabten tell Helmut Gassner about Dorje Shugden during the empowerment ceremonies?
“This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:39 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Looks like Pastor is right.
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
Elaine: A5 He wa told “This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
Pastor Han Nee: At 13, Rinpoche would have still been living in New Jersey.
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
CarynW: A5: “This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
Callista: A5:“This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): 1978 - 13 years old
22 Aug 19, 10:37 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : Geshe Rabten told Helmut Gassner that “This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:36 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5.“This manifestation of the Buddha has no equal. If you are determined to tame your mind, then he will even give you his heart in order to help you.“
22 Aug 19, 10:36 PM
Callista: sorry typo is Rinpoche
22 Aug 19, 10:36 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: 13 years old Pastor.
22 Aug 19, 10:36 PM
Callista: Rinoche is 13 years old
22 Aug 19, 10:35 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q5. What did Geshe Rabten tell Helmut Gassner about Dorje Shugden during the empowerment ceremonies?
22 Aug 19, 10:35 PM
Cc: Yes.
22 Aug 19, 10:34 PM
Cc: A4.In 1978, he was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States, where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:34 PM
Pastor Han Nee: In 1978, how old would Rinpoche be?
22 Aug 19, 10:34 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Yes, Pastor. Rinpoche received Dorje Shugden Sogtae from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche also. In that case, I believe they must have met although it wasn't mentioned in the article.
22 Aug 19, 10:33 PM
Elaine: They must have met because Tsem Rinpoche was the attendant of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche during the months he was in the US.
22 Aug 19, 10:31 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Yes, Tsem Rinpoche also received the Dorje Shugden Sogtae from his Guru , the illustrious Master,Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:31 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Did Rinpoche meet Helmut Gassner after all? What do you think?
22 Aug 19, 10:29 PM
CarynW: A4: Helmut Gassner accompanied Geshe Rabten to the United States where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:29 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A4.In 1978, Helmut Gassner was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States. There he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:28 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Kyabje Zong Rinpoche is also the root teacher for H.E. the 25th Tsem Tulku Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:28 PM
callista: A4:In 1978, he was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States, where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:27 PM
Elaine: A4 He accompanied Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the US, where he had the great merits to meet Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:27 PM
shelly tai: A4: Soon after, in 1978, he was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States, where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:27 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A4 : In 1978, he was given the opportunity to accompany Geshe Rabten Rinpoche to the United States, where he had the great merits to meet yet another acclaimed master, the indomitable Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, who bestowed upon him the Dorje Shugden Sogtae, or life-entrustment empowerment.
22 Aug 19, 10:27 PM
Cc: A2. Helmit Gassner became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche
22 Aug 19, 10:26 PM
Cc: A1.Helmut Gassner graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich, in Switzerland as an electrical engineer.
22 Aug 19, 10:25 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Next, Q4. Where did Helmut Gassner accompany Geshe Rabten to in 1978? Who did he meet and what did he end up receiving?
22 Aug 19, 10:25 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A3. (Yes, Helmut Gassner became interested in Buddhism because he was asked to analyse and not simply believe). In 1977, he began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:25 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q4. What and where did he begin studying in 1977? Ans: In 1977, Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:25 PM
callista: A3:Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery,
22 Aug 19, 10:25 PM
Elaine: A3. He started to study Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:24 PM
Cc: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone
22 Aug 19, 10:23 PM
CarynW: A3: He began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:23 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A3 : In 1977, Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:22 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Nope @ Elaine: Was it Venerable Gelong Jampa Lungtog?
22 Aug 19, 10:21 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Correct Caryn.

While studying and meditating he went through unbelievable hardship. Hence teachers and fellow students gave him the name Milarepa.https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/venerable-geshe-rabten-rinpoche-known-as-milarepa.html
22 Aug 19, 10:21 PM
shelly tai: A3: in 1977, Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:20 PM
Elaine: Was it Venerable Gelong Jampa Lungtog?
22 Aug 19, 10:20 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q3. What and where did he begin studying in 1977?
22 Aug 19, 10:18 PM
CarynW: @Jacinta... I read that Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche was given the nickname "Milarepa".
22 Aug 19, 10:17 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q2. When did he become interested in Buddhism? Ans: He became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:15 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche was also known as ?
22 Aug 19, 10:14 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Callista.
22 Aug 19, 10:14 PM
Callista: A2:As a result of this encounter with the great Tibetan Buddhist master who impressed him greatly, in 1977, Helmut Gassner began his studies of the Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy, debate and meditation at Rikon Monastery, in Switzerland
22 Aug 19, 10:14 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A2. For someone who had believed more in scientific reasoning than in religion, he became interested in Buddhism when he met Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:14 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A2 : Helmut Gassner, is a man who believed in scientific reason compared to religion, but eventually became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:13 PM
shelly tai: A2: Helmut Gassner became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:13 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Hello Pastor Han Nee.
22 Aug 19, 10:13 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A1 : Helmut Gassner being inquisitive in nature, he grew up to graduate as an electrical engineer in 1976 from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich.
22 Aug 19, 10:12 PM
Callista: Good evening Rinpoche, PHN and everyone
22 Aug 19, 10:12 PM
CarynW: A2: Helmut Gassner became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:12 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Yee Mun.
22 Aug 19, 10:12 PM
Elaine: A2. He became interested in Buddhism after meeting Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche.
22 Aug 19, 10:11 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Hi Yee Mun
22 Aug 19, 10:11 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q2. When did he become interested in Buddhism?
22 Aug 19, 10:11 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Pastors, Jacinta and everyone.
22 Aug 19, 10:11 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q1. Where did Helmut Gassner graduate from and what is he by training?

Ans:Being inquisitive in nature, he grew up to graduate as an electrical engineer in 1976 from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich, in Switzerland. He said he chose to do this because he wanted to know how radios worked!
22 Aug 19, 10:10 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A1.Helmut Gassner graduated as an electrical engineer from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland . He chosed this career and line of studies because of his inquisitive nature! He wanted to know how radios worked!
22 Aug 19, 10:10 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Yes, and the reason for choosing that course was because he wanted to know how radios worked!
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/HelmutGassner-4.jpg
22 Aug 19, 10:08 PM
CarynW: Helmut Gassner graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich, in Switzerland as an electrical engineer.
22 Aug 19, 10:08 PM
shelly tai: A1: graduate as an electrical engineer in 1976 from the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich, in Switzerland.
22 Aug 19, 10:07 PM
Elaine: A1. Helmut Gassner was an electrical engineer by training having graduated from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, otherwise known as ETH Zürich.
22 Aug 19, 10:06 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Q1. Where did Helmut Gassner graduate from and what is he by training?
22 Aug 19, 10:05 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Today, we will learn more about this person . Helmut Gassner, also known as Venerable Gelong Jampa Lungtog is a senior Buddhist monk from Austria. Throughout his lifetime, he has translated for many high lamas, including His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and is a strong advocate for the practice of Dorje Shugden.https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/HelmutGassner-4.jpg
22 Aug 19, 10:03 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Hello to everyone here.
22 Aug 19, 10:02 PM
shelly tai: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
22 Aug 19, 10:01 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Jacinta and all in room
22 Aug 19, 09:59 PM
Elaine: Good evening, Rinpoche, Jacinta, and all.
22 Aug 19, 09:58 PM
CarynW: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Jacinta and all.
22 Aug 19, 09:51 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Good evening Pastor Han Nee
22 Aug 19, 09:47 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good evening Rinpoche, Jacinta and everyone, will be joining you shortly on the blogchat.
22 Aug 19, 09:42 PM
Jacinta_Moderator: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastors and others. We will shortly start the blogchat and the article for today is https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/translator-ven-helmut-gassner-on-dalai-lama-and-dorje-shugden.html
22 Aug 19, 06:25 PM
payal: Would like to register
21 Aug 19, 05:39 PM
Jmy: Thank you.
21 Aug 19, 05:39 PM
Jmy: Dear Choong, lovely
21 Aug 19, 10:46 AM
Choong: Rinpoche with his Root Guru Kyabje Zong Rinpoche https://www.kechara.com/archive/upload/editor/image/house/features/14_meeting_zongrinpoche/0058_5.jpg
21 Aug 19, 10:43 AM
Choong: Hi @Jmy, :) that would be Kyabje "Zong Rinpoche" who is know to be a strict lama but for the purpose of ensuring that the lineage is preserved.
21 Aug 19, 06:10 AM
Jmy: Hi Choong, tsem mentioned soronchi or something is watching us doing mandala offering. If it's not done correctly, he will go to his room. Who is soronchi? Or maybe I heard wrong. Someone is watching.
20 Aug 19, 01:34 PM
Valentina: This Saturday’s blog chat topic is

Venerable Geshe Rabten Rinpoche known as Milarepa


https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/venerable-geshe-rabten-rinpoche-known-as-milarepa.html



See you on Saturday
20 Aug 19, 05:42 AM
Choong: Dear @jmy, which and which part of the video might you be referring to? I'll try to find out.
20 Aug 19, 04:12 AM
jmy: Dear Choong, Thank you very much for your kind answers. I am excited to learn more although I still do not know what is soronchi or something Tsem rinpoche mentioned in the mandala offering video.
20 Aug 19, 12:58 AM
Choong: Getsuls are monks or nuns who have taken their novice vows or in other words novice monks or nuns.
20 Aug 19, 12:52 AM
Choong: Dear @jmy,

I find this explanation and illustration by Jeff Watt regarding the Refuge Field or Field of Accumulation of Merit very useful. The many different types of Refuge Field go in accordance to the different practices but Jeff Watt's example in general is a good start.

https://www.himalayanart.org/items/53405

You may also read more about the visualization for taking refuge in the "Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand" as taught by Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche (Day 4). http://bit.ly/2z60TiF
19 Aug 19, 08:54 PM
jmy: Hi, i was watching the mandala offering video by tsem rinpoche, he mentioned getsula and soronchi? who are they? You wouldn't mind to explain them to me please? Thanks.
19 Aug 19, 06:12 AM
jmy: Hi, I am looking at the tsongkhapa refuge tree poster and i try to find meaning out of that poster but there is not much information about it on the web. Is it possible to direct me to a site where i get to understand the refuge tree's meaning? There are so many figures in the poster and I don't quite understand them. Thanks. Also thanks rinpoche for your kindness in explaining to me and make me understand more about buddhism.
18 Aug 19, 03:30 AM
A fellow traveler: I am amazed to find in your article related to Ishwar Puri that after listening to (even a couple of) his videos you would get an impression that he is a follower of the Sikh religion. (When I write this, I don't imply the least downgrading of the Sikh religion; for I personally know many magnificent followers of the Sikh religion (and also Islam, Catholic and Protestant Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Judaism, Humanism, agnosticism, and atheism.)
17 Aug 19, 12:34 PM
Chris: Thank you Rinpoche and Moderator.
17 Aug 19, 12:34 PM
Valentina: : 5. According to Helmut Gassner, "Communist China" will benefit the most from the controversial ban because China could not have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles. The supporting fact is two new oracles had arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
17 Aug 19, 12:33 PM
P Lanse: Thank you.
17 Aug 19, 12:33 PM
Yee Yin: Thank you!
17 Aug 19, 12:31 PM
Joy_Moderator: We have come an end of our blog chat. Thank you everyone for joining. Please do your dedications to Rinpoche who has created this chat sessions for us to learn and expand our mind. Thank you Rinpoche.
17 Aug 19, 12:30 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Who does Helmut Gassner thinks will benefit the most from the controversial ban and why?

- Helmut thinks it is Communist China who will benefit from all this. It would be difficult to see how they could have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles.
- As a matter of fact, there are in Dharamsala two new oracles who recently arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
- However, closer at hand, the traditional Tibetan State Oracle has been consumed by jealousy against Dorje Shugden for generations. It would have been the State Oracle’s duty to offer the Dalai Lama help during the critical events of 1959.
- According to all trustworthy eye-witnesses I know and consulted, the State Oracle did not provide any help on that occasion. After the Dalai Lama and his retinue had fled, the State Oracle only found out the following day that he had been left behind. His own escape was later organized by monks from Drepung Monastery.
- Once in exile, his role lost prominence until the early 1970’s, when that oracle started to quietly persuade the Dalai Lama that he should take his distance from Dorje Shugden. In other words, the origin of Dorje Shugden’s current level of defamation is not the Dalai Lama’s own idea but rather the State Oracle’s, who in his prophesies over the following twenty-five years made Dorje Shugden responsible for all the tragedies that befell Tibet and the Tibetans.
17 Aug 19, 12:29 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Lanse and Chris for your answers.
17 Aug 19, 12:28 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta and have good weekend. Pls do your dedications ya.
17 Aug 19, 12:27 PM
P Lanse: 5. According to Helmut Gassner, "Communist China" will benefit the most from the controversial ban because China could not have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles. The supporting fact is two new oracles had arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
17 Aug 19, 12:27 PM
Jacinta Goh_Moderator: I have to log out now. Thanks Joy for moderating. Thank you Rinpoche and everyone here
17 Aug 19, 12:27 PM
Jacinta Goh_Moderator: Overall , I think it's good also. If it's not for the ban, DS practice will not be sanctioned in China. Look at the number of DS practitioners now. Instead of going down, the number has gone up. In fact, more people are benefited through this unholy ban.
17 Aug 19, 12:25 PM
Chris: Answer 5: Helmut Gassner thinks that the Communist China will be benefited most from the controversial ban. It would be difficult to see how they could have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles. As a matter of fact, there are in Dharamsala two new oracles who recently arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
17 Aug 19, 12:19 PM
Yee Yin: 5. Who does Helmut Gassner thinks will benefit the most from the controversial ban and why?
Ans: According to Helmit Gassner, the Chinese government benefitted the most from the controversial ban. It would be difficult to see how they could have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles. As a matter of fact, there are in Dharamsala two new oracles who recently arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
17 Aug 19, 12:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: Other things that Gassner mentioned that should allow us to think more is...
- However, closer at hand, the traditional Tibetan State Oracle has been consumed by jealousy against Dorje Shugden for generations. It would have been the State Oracle’s duty to offer the Dalai Lama help during the critical events of 1959.
- According to all trustworthy eye-witnesses I know and consulted, the State Oracle did not provide any help on that occasion. After the Dalai Lama and his retinue had fled, the State Oracle only found out the following day that he had been left behind. His own escape was later organized by monks from Drepung Monastery.
- Once in exile, his role lost prominence until the early 1970’s, when that oracle started to quietly persuade the Dalai Lama that he should take his distance from Dorje Shugden. In other words, the origin of Dorje Shugden’s current level of defamation is not the Dalai Lama’s own idea but rather the State Oracle’s, who in his prophesies over the following twenty-five years made Dorje Shugden responsible for all the tragedies that befell Tibet and the Tibetans.
17 Aug 19, 12:17 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta... what do you think about what Gassner said? Thoughts?
17 Aug 19, 12:15 PM
Jacinta Goh_Moderator: 5. Who does Helmut Gassner thinks will benefit the most from the controversial ban and why? Ans: Considering who would benefit most from this unfortunate controversy, the obvious answer is Communist China. It would be difficult to see how they could have influenced events so close to the Dalai Lama were it not for the suspicion of possibly working through fake oracles. As a matter of fact, there are in Dharamsala two new oracles who recently arrived from Tibet whose background could give rise to such thoughts.
17 Aug 19, 12:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Nicholas... it is important to know why... because then it is easier to explain to others when asked :)
17 Aug 19, 12:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: Last question... 5. Who does Helmut Gassner thinks will benefit the most from the controversial ban and why?
17 Aug 19, 12:12 PM
nicholas: Q4: Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it?
A4: The statement “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama,” may well be the most incendiary means to get common Tibetans going, but in the West it is a poor reason to justify the exile government’s questionable conduct. Consequently, that reason has hardly advanced in the West; here His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.” Yet the number of oracles and their invocation has increased considerably in Dharamsala (under the auspices of the Tibetan exile government) these past years. A new temple was built for Nechung, the State Oracle, and His Holiness himself composed new prayers to this protective deity. The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind.
17 Aug 19, 12:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Lanse... looks like the Tibetan gov is just created for the sake of putting up a front for the world to see... they are a whole contradiction.
17 Aug 19, 12:10 PM
Joy_Moderator: Ok this is our last and final question for the day.... 5. Who does Helmut Gassner thinks will benefit the most from the controversial ban and why?
17 Aug 19, 12:10 PM
P Lanse: 4. The West doesn't accept the statement “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama,” as a good reason to justify the ban of Dorje Shugden practice. Therefore, His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.” The problem with this statement is if He said Dorje Shugden is a spirit hence he wants to ban Dorje Shugden, then why the Tibetan Government in Exile still worship Nechung who is not enlightened? Why they still increase the number of Nechung Oracles and keep invoking Nechung? Why built new temple for Nechung? In addition, he Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind. Even if we put aside the fact that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened protector and follow what they said, the Tibetan government is still contradicting its own statement.
17 Aug 19, 12:10 PM
Joy_Moderator: - 4. Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it?
- To the West this is a poor reason to justify the exile government’s questionable conduct; banning Dorje Shugden practice.
- Hence, this reason has hardly advanced in the West and therefore His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.”
- It’s wrong first because of the difference in reasoning to suit the crowd. What His Holiness says to the Western crowd that Dorje Shugden is spirit worship is a huge contradiction to their own actions as the number of oracles and their invocation has increased considerably in Dharamsala (under the auspices of the Tibetan exile government).
- On top of that a new temple was built for Nechung, the State Oracle, and His Holiness himself composed new prayers to this protective deity. The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind. Only one protector deity has an entire monastery dedicated to it: Nechung, not Dorje Shugden.
17 Aug 19, 12:10 PM
Chris: Answer 4: The west does not accept the statement that "the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama" as a good reason to ban Shugden practice. So, His Holiness tells the west that Buddhism has degenerated into a spirit worshipping practice but it was His Holiness the Dalai lama and the Tibetan government that encouraged the worship of spirit worship. An example will be Nechung who is a spirit protector oath bound to protect the Dharma and he has a temple dedicated to himself.
17 Aug 19, 12:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: @Nicholas the last part of the question is not answered... so what is wrong with it?
17 Aug 19, 12:08 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Yee Yin... isn't it just so hypocritical of the exile government? It's quite hilarious that they think people are that gullible and won't investigate >>> The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind. Only one protector deity has an entire monastery dedicated to it: Nechung, not Dorje Shugden. The increase in the number of oracles and their invocation shows Dharamsala is expanding the worship of Dharma protector.
17 Aug 19, 12:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yup Jacinta... what's wrong with it, is that the exile Tibetan gov themselves continues to worship a "spirit" and build monastery for him!
17 Aug 19, 12:06 PM
nicholas: Q4: Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it?
A4: The statement “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama,” may well be the most incendiary means to get common Tibetans going, but in the West it is a poor reason to justify the exile government’s questionable conduct. Consequently, that reason has hardly advanced in the West; here His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.”
17 Aug 19, 12:05 PM
Joy_Moderator: @Pastor Lanse in other words, those with broken samaya, whatever practice they take or is doing is literally pointless because no results will come to them. Hence whatever initiations they take from HH the Dalai Lama will also result to nothing. What is amazing is that, this kind of logic is taught in our tradition, and yet these monks and people does not think it applies in such situations. That is troubling.
17 Aug 19, 12:04 PM
Yee Yin: 4. Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it?
Ans: To the westerners, the reason to ban Dorje Shugden practice is "Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship."
However, the number of oracles and their invocation has increased considerably in Dharamsala (under the auspices of the Tibetan exile government) these past years. A new temple was built for Nechung, the State Oracle, and His Holiness himself composed new prayers to this protective deity. The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind. Only one protector deity has an entire monastery dedicated to it: Nechung, not Dorje Shugden. The increase in the number of oracles and their invocation shows Dharamsala is expanding the worship of Dharma protector.
17 Aug 19, 12:02 PM
Valentina: 4. That reason is innot widely accepted in the West; here His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.” Yet the number of oracles and their invocation has increased considerably in Dharamsala (under the auspices of the Tibetan exile government) these past years. A new temple was built for Nechung, the State Oracle, and His Holiness himself composed new prayers to this protective deity. The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind.
17 Aug 19, 12:01 PM
Jacinta: 4. Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it? Ans: That reason has hardly advanced in the West; here His Holiness insisted instead, “Buddhism is degenerating into spirit worship.” Yet the number of oracles and their invocation has increased considerably in Dharamsala (under the auspices of the Tibetan exile government) these past years. A new temple was built for Nechung, the State Oracle, and His Holiness himself composed new prayers to this protective deity. The Dalai Lama’s personal monastery Namgyal spends most its time performing the rituals of numerous other deities of this kind.
17 Aug 19, 11:59 AM
P Lanse: @Joy_Moderator, as Buddhist practitioners especially those from the Tibetan tradition, we all know that guru is the foundation of all our spiritual achievement, without clean samaya with our guru, no matter how hard we are trying to practice, it won't bear any result.
17 Aug 19, 11:58 AM
Jacinta: Yes, instead of upholding the practice of tolerance and compassion, they turned to violence in persecuting Dorje Shugden practitioners.
17 Aug 19, 11:57 AM
Joy_Moderator: 4. Does the West accept the statement that “the worship of Dolgyal endangers the life of the Dalai Lama” as a good reason to ban Shugden practice? So what is the reason His Holiness tells the West and what’s wrong with it?
17 Aug 19, 11:56 AM
Joy_Moderator: - 3. What were the exile government trying to do with the signature campaigns? How did people feel regarding this campaign? What do you think, fair, good/bad, why?

- The Signature campaigns were launched to try and force each and every individual to publicly declare whether they were for or against the Dalai Lama.
- Whoever refused to sign was identified as a traitor.
- Many described their conflict of conscience in this situation as similar to having to choose between mother and father, because they did not want to give up neither the Dalai Lama nor Dorje Shugden.
- Whoever sill dared to raise their voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs from their house and home.
- Definitely this is unfair and bad, because firstly how can a so-called democratic government implement such segregation when in the democratic constitution states to give freedom and respect. So why are they breaching their own constitution. Are they lying to the world that they are a democratic government? Where is the human rights for Shugden people, where is the compassion? Are they not humans too? Don't they deserve to be treated like one? Why segregate your own people and create disunity? 
So much hypocrisy.
17 Aug 19, 11:54 AM
Joy_Moderator: @Pastor Lanse you brought up a very good important point! >>> The samaya part is very dangerous... so now all those who have broken samaya... can they ever achieve any attainments from their other practices?
17 Aug 19, 11:53 AM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Jacinta... it gives the upper hand to abuse these people and make their lives difficult. Now you think, what kind of government does these things on purpose? Doesn't their actions seem similar to those they like to point finger at and shout human rights abuse?
17 Aug 19, 11:51 AM
Joy_Moderator: Very true and very scary... people are forced to go against each other, this is the psychology game the exile Tibetan government plays >>> They are forcing the people to join them in the Dorje Shugden witch hunt because if they don't, they will be the target instead.
17 Aug 19, 11:50 AM
Joy_Moderator: You brought up a good point too Nicholas... people should use logic and not just accept everything on face value just because it is His Holiness the Dalai Lama. This also tells you His Holiness's power and influence! >>> This is totally unfair. Dorje Shugden has been practice for so long and even HH the 14th Dalai Lama practicing him. How could Dorje Shugden suddenly become an evil spirit. We believe HH the 14th Dalai Lama is the emanation of Cherenzig and how can HH doesn't know if Dorje Shugden if a spirit from the begining? and HH the 14th Dalai Lama guru also practice Dorje Shugden and how can his guru be wrong and HH the 14th Dalai Lama be right as HH learn up everything from his guru? This doesn't make sense.
17 Aug 19, 11:48 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina for your thoughts... yes it is a breach of human rights, one might then ask so why is Tibetan-exile government complain about human rights violation from China when they actually do the same if not worst as the hide behind a democratic veil. Hypocritcal and double standards?
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