NEW AUDIO CHAT! Listen to audio replies from Tsem Rinpoche and senior students on blog chat with the all-new audio feature. Press the PLAY button to listen and turn up the volume! [Audio download instructions coming soon!]
NAVIGATION VIDEO! Learn how to navigate tsemrinpoche.com: youtu.be/mh_PbIYDHSg
Problem viewing this page? Email
16 Sep 19, 07:56 PM
Valentina: This Saturday’s blog chat topic is

Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen’s special thangka | 属于格西簇亲格而辛的非凡唐卡


https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/downloads/geshe-tsultrim-gyeltsens-special-thangka.html



See you on Saturday
14 Sep 19, 01:17 PM
Valentina: Thank you Joy
14 Sep 19, 01:02 PM
Joy_Moderator: Dear Valentine regarding this question >>> Valentina: @Joy - Please clarify this answer - You mean Heruka is not a main initiation? >>> I have checked and clarified with Pastor David and yes Heruka is a pre-requisite but Vajrayogini is the initiation here, so hence, the first initiation is Vajrayogini not Heruka. It is like English is a pre-requisite to your course in Marketing in Uni but English itself is not your main course you are taking. I hope this clarifies. Thank you.
14 Sep 19, 12:54 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina for your answer.
14 Sep 19, 12:48 PM
Valentina: ANS 5: Every action that Rinpoche did in his life showed that Rinpoche was not an ordinary being. Rinpoche always thought of how to benefit others. Rinpoche was never afraid to act with integrity to fulfill his promise to his teacher although at times it was challenging and Rinpoche received criticism because of this. Rinpoche really taught me about the importance of maintaining your promise.
14 Sep 19, 12:41 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Why do you think in your own words, that Rinpoche is often called a Bodhisattva? Share with us your own personal story.
I seriously think Rinpoche is a Bodhisattva because he choose to come to one of the hardest places on this planet to help the Dharma take root and to tame so many unscrupulous, untamed minds like mine. It is not easy walking the path Rinpoche walked and his life story is something totally unimaginable for any normal person to go through yet still come out to be a kind, great being who only wishes to help others, especially someone like me who has no dharma and filled with so much negative karma. It is amazing Rinpoche how much Rinpoche has endured being here in a land where there is no Dharma roots. Rinpoche had to work four, five times harder and more due to the mindset, culture and environment. It was a huge challenge for Rinpoche even physical wise as the weather here does not suit Rinpoche. But Rinpoche did it all and followed his Guru’s instructions to come here to teach. 

I know for a fact that I would be uselessly wasting my life in doing samsaric work/activities if it was not for Rinpoche wanting to help me and tame my mind. Only a Bodhisattva would brave such a path and to literally work for the sake of others. This is how we even have Kechara, the biggest Tibetan Buddhist centre here in Malaysia.

14 Sep 19, 12:41 PM
Joy_Moderator: This is the last question no.5 if anyone wishes to share later please do. We have to wrap up the session as it is getting late. Thank you very much for your kind participation and please do your dedications.
14 Sep 19, 12:32 PM
Joy_Moderator: @Nicholas your answer is not quite accurate... how Rinpoche got the connection with Malaysia all began in Bodhgaya...
14 Sep 19, 12:29 PM
Joy_Moderator: This is the final question for the day... 5. Why do you think in your own words, that Rinpoche is often called a Bodhisattva? Share with us your own personal story.
14 Sep 19, 12:29 PM
Joy_Moderator: My apologies to all... I accidentally posted Question 5 with my answer as well. Thank you Valentina for pointing it out.
14 Sep 19, 12:27 PM
Joy_Moderator: Another picture of Rinpoche's Vajrayogini... https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/02a.jpg
14 Sep 19, 12:27 PM
Joy_Moderator: - 4. When and how did Rinpoche connect with Malaysia? Share the story in brief/point form. - Rinpoche’s connection with Malaysia started in 1990 when Rinpoche went on a pilgrimage to Bodhgaya. - Rinpoche met a young Malaysian Chinese who was a Kagyu/Nyingma practitioner, and he was impressed with Rinpoche command of English. Soon he and Rinpoche became close friends as each day they would go to the Mahabodhi Temple to do circumambulations together and meet for dinner to discuss Dharma topics. This happened for a month. - Eventually the time came when Rinpoche has to return to Gadded and because the young man was very appreciative of the Dharma discussions they had, he wanted to make an offering to Rinpoche. He learnt that Rinpoche had wanted a 17-inch Vajrayogini statue, hence he made the arrangements and gifted Rinpoche a Vajrayogini statue in front of the Mahabodhi Temple. This auspicious occasion marked the powerful karmic connection between this powerful Tantric Buddha and Malaysia.

Rinpoche’s Bodhgaya Vajrayogini sits on Rinpoche’s desk together with Dorje Shugden… https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/01a.jpg

14 Sep 19, 12:24 PM
Yee Yin: 5. Why do you think in your own words, that Rinpoche is often called a Bodhisattva? Share with us your own personal story. Rinpoche is often called a Boddhisattva because he does not do thing for himself but it is always for others. For example, he set up the blog site and youtube channel not to make money or make himself famous so he can get something. But he does it to share Dharma with us for free so that many people can benefit. He work tirelessly to raise fund, to provide Dharma materials for us to learn so that many of us will somehow realise what is the root cause of our suffering and we can save ourselves from it. Personally, I have learnt so much about Dharma practice from Rinpoche from his blog and realised that what I am the creator of my own suffering. I learnt to let go and things become easier.
14 Sep 19, 12:24 PM
nicholas: Q4. When and how did Rinpoche connect with Malaysia? Share the story in brief/point form. A4: While RInpoche in Gaden, there was a constant influx of monks from Tibet joining the monastery in India. Due to lack of funds and sponsorship, the monastery was quickly running out of adequate accommodation for the monks. Many had to sleep outside on the verendah, making them susceptible to snake bites, attacks from wild animals and illness caused by dampness from the rain. in 1992, Kyabje Lati Rinpoche requested Tsem Rinpoche to go abroad to teach and raise funds to build a monk hostel. Rinpoche contacted a Rev, Khoon that Rinpoche met in 1990 on a pilgrimage at Bodhgaya from Malaysia. Rev. Khoon kindly organized and sponsored Rinpoche's and his attendants' flight tickets.
14 Sep 19, 12:23 PM
Valentina: @joy - is question no 5 out yet? or are you answering question no 5?

- 5. Why do you think in your own words, that Rinpoche is often called a Bodhisattva? Share with us your own personal story.
I seriously think Rinpoche is a Bodhisattva because he choose to come to one of the hardest places on this planet to help the Dharma take root and to tame so many unscrupulous, untamed minds like mine. It is not easy walking the path Rinpoche walked and his life story is something totally unimaginable for any normal person to go through yet still come out to be a kind, great being who only wishes to help others, especially someone like me who has no dharma and filled with so much negative karma. It is amazing Rinpoche how much Rinpoche has endured being here in a land where there is no Dharma roots. Rinpoche had to work four, five times harder and more due to the mindset, culture and environment. It was a huge challenge for Rinpoche even physical wise as the weather here does not suit Rinpoche. But Rinpoche did it all and followed his Guru’s instructions to come here to teach. 

I know for a fact that I would be uselessly wasting my life in doing samsaric work/activities if it was not for Rinpoche wanting to help me and tame my mind. Only a Bodhisattva would brave such a path and to literally work for the sake of others. This is how we even have Kechara, the biggest Tibetan Buddhist centre here in Malaysia.
14 Sep 19, 12:23 PM
Joy_Moderator: Valentina not from my understanding because it is a "pre-requisite", we are not trying to be technical here but as mentioned by Rinpoche he would always say Vajrayogini. However, if you talk about technical, then yes... because it comes with Vajrayogini. Also Heruka and Vajrayogini is the same hence, there is also no difference this is what I have been told. But the sadhana is different. However, the initiation is called Vajrayogini with a pre-requisite practice, so I am basing on that. I will check again with Pastor David just to make sure and post it up here once he has answered.
14 Sep 19, 12:20 PM
Valentina: ANS 4: Rinpoche was connected with Malaysia for the first time when he met a Malaysian man in Bodhgaya, India. The person offered the fund for Rinpoche to purchase a Vajrayogini statue. The Vajrayogini is now known as the Bodhgaya Vajrayogini.
14 Sep 19, 12:15 PM
Pastor Shin: A4. Rinpoche first had the connection with Rinpoche was when he was in Bodghaya for a pilgrimage trip. There, he met a young Malaysian practitioner and they spent time together to discuss Dharma. Before the Malaysian and Rinpoche split their ways, the young man offered Rinpoche a Vajrayogini statue, which is now known as Bodhgaya Vajrayogini: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/travel/my-bodhgaya-vajrayogini.html
14 Sep 19, 12:13 PM
Valentina: @Joy - Please clarify this answer - You mean Heruka is not a main initiation? - Joy_Moderator: 3. What was H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation? Who gave it to him and what did Rinpoche do when his father tried to provoke him? What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?

- Rinpoche’s first initiation was Vajrayogini and he received it from Kensur Lobsang Tharchin. Of course he had to receive Heruka as a pre-requisite to Vajrayogini but the main key initiation here is Vajrayogini. It's just like some people will need Yamantaka for Vajrayogini, but main initiation is Vajrayogini still. These are technicalities, hence the chapter is called "The First Initiation"
14 Sep 19, 12:12 PM
Yee Yin: 4. When and how did Rinpoche connect with Malaysia? Share the story in brief/point form. Ans: Rinpoche first had the connection with Rinpoche was when he was in Bodghaya for a pilgrimage trip. There, he met a young Malaysian practitioner. They would spend time together to discuss Dharma. Before the Malaysian and Rinpoche split their ways, the Malaysian offered Rinpoche a Vajrayogini statue.
14 Sep 19, 12:12 PM
Choong: Rinpoche was asked by his teacher to go to Malaysia to teach and raise funds for Ganden monastery.
14 Sep 19, 12:10 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Rinpoche, Moderator Joy and others
14 Sep 19, 12:10 PM
Pastor Shin: @joy - Heruka initiation is an important initiation itself, it is not that Vajrayogini is a "main" initiation and that Heruka is "just" a pre-requisite. Please correct your explanation so that people do not get confused or misunderstood.
14 Sep 19, 12:10 PM
Jacinta: I'm sorry Moderator. I've to excuse myself early as I've to go for puja ....
14 Sep 19, 12:08 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you all who have answered question 3 fully, you can proceed to look for answer to question 4 also in The Promise, e-book chapters
14 Sep 19, 12:06 PM
Joy_Moderator: For those who have answered question 3, you can move on to look for the answer for question 4... 4. When and how did Rinpoche connect with Malaysia? Share the story in brief/point form.
14 Sep 19, 12:06 PM
nicholas: Q3. What was H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation? Who gave it to him and what did Rinpoche do when his father tried to provoke him? What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?
A3: H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation was Vajrayogini initiation from Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin. Rinpoche just keep quiet when his father tried to provoke him. The lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche is never giving up and work our way even if it's hard. In order to Rinpoche to get the initiation Rinpoche to make sure all the household chores are being done with no mistake. Throughout all this, it reminds Rinpoche about the Mahasiddha Naropa and the trial he had had to endure to develop the mental strength and perseverance to receive the higher training.
14 Sep 19, 12:05 PM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What was H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation? Who gave it to him and what did Rinpoche do when his father tried to provoke him? What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?
- Rinpoche’s first initiation was Vajrayogini and he received it from Kensur Lobsang Tharchin. Of course he had to receive Heruka as a pre-requisite to Vajrayogini but the main key initiation here is Vajrayogini. It's just like some people will need Yamantaka for Vajrayogini, but main initiation is Vajrayogini still. These are technicalities, hence the chapter is called "The First Initiation"
- When Rinpoche’s father tried to provoke him that night after the initiation, Rinpoche did not react but just kept quiet. This was a wise move.
- The lesson we can learn from Rinpoche here is that we do not need to always fight back, have the last say and try to be right all the time. Sometimes it is best not to react because sometimes by us not reacting, we actually help not to create a bad situation for ourselves. 


14 Sep 19, 12:03 PM
Joy_Moderator: It is interesting to read everyone's take or lesson they learnt from an action Rinpoche did. Everyone sees a different angle suited for ourselves, I suppose that is the lesson for each individual.
14 Sep 19, 12:00 PM
Yee Yin: 3. What was H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation? Who gave it to him and what did Rinpoche do when his father tried to provoke him? What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?
Ans: The first initiation Tsem Rinpoche had received was Vajrayogini initiation. It was an initiation given by Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin. His father tried to provoke him by putting Rinpoche down and making comments on how weird the people who attended the initiation were. What we can learn from Rinpoche is that when we have found the most precious thing in life which is the Dharma, we should not change our mind and be determined with what we want even if there are many obstacles.
14 Sep 19, 11:59 AM
Joy_Moderator: Dear Valentina, your answer is missing the ending question part >>> What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?
14 Sep 19, 11:58 AM
Jacinta: A3. Rinpoche eagerly wanted to receive the Vajrayogini initiation and He received it from Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin. Before receiving that, Rinpoche had to be initiated into Heruka practice as this was the requirement. His parents were not happy for that especially the mother. They stopped Rinpoche once from receiving the initiation. The father provokes Him but Rinpoche just ignore. A year later, the father came for the second time when Rinpoche was about to receive the VY initiation, however the father let Rinpoche to go through the process. I learnt that we have to keep our commitments well and also the importance of having the blessings of the parents too . Although Rinpoche didn't really get the blessings from the parents but at least He stoped the negative karma from perpetuating. He fulfilled His dream and commitment
14 Sep 19, 11:55 AM
Valentina: ANS 2: Rinpoche's first initiation was Heruka initiation which is a prerequisite of receiving Vajrayogini initiation. When his father tried to provoke him, Rinpoche just keep quiet. I learned that Rinpoche keeps his promise and his initiation commitment until the end of his life. Everyday, no matter how tired, Rinpoche always do his sadhana.
14 Sep 19, 11:53 AM
Joy_Moderator: No problem Jacinta... the key is what Rinpoche did when his father provoked him after the initiation that night. That lesson is key :)
14 Sep 19, 11:52 AM
Jacinta: Sorry for that .. I didn't finish the story.
14 Sep 19, 11:51 AM
Joy_Moderator: That is very true Nicholas, Rinpoche's teachings is always so relatable. Thank you for your sharing
14 Sep 19, 11:51 AM
Jacinta: A3. Rinpoche was eagerly wanted to receive the Vajrayogini initiation and He received it from Kensur Rinpoche Linsang Tharchin. Before receiving that, Rinpoche was initiated into Heruka practice as this was the requirement. His parents were not happy for that especially the mother. They stopped Rinpoche from receiving the initiation at first. A whenyear later the father came for the second time when Rinpoche was about to receive the VY initiation, the father did come
14 Sep 19, 11:50 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin, yes that was a 3 days marathon teachings in Damekhang at that time. It is really a good teaching that covers a lot and explained a lot for new and old students on the Buddhist path in search of a Guru and Dharma centre... No Guru has ever covered such an extensive topic at that time and it was the first... https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/gurus-for-hire-enlightenment-for-sale.html
14 Sep 19, 11:44 AM
Pastor Shin: A2. It was the teachings that eventually was published as Gurus for Hire. Rinpoche gave in depth explanation (over 24 hours) in a few days about Guru Devotion, shared about his relationships with his teachers, and also about how a Dharma centre is and what to expect. Rinpoche also explained about refuge and clear some people's doubt/resistance about refuge.
14 Sep 19, 11:44 AM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What was H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s first initiation? Who gave it to him and what did Rinpoche do when his father tried to provoke him? What is the lesson here that we can learn from Rinpoche?
14 Sep 19, 11:43 AM
Joy_Moderator: This answer to question 3 can be found in The Promise, e-book >>> rinpoches-inspiring-biography-now-in-ebook-format.html
14 Sep 19, 11:41 AM
nicholas: Q2. Which teachings did you heard, read or received from His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche that really moved you? Explained why and how did it move you?
A2: There is a lot of teaching from Rinpoche that moved me. I will take the first teaching I heard from Rinpoche at KWPC office for example. Rinpoche was talking about how we can be happy and one of the ways is controlling our anger. At the beginning start with our family/our spouse/ the closest one to us. Rinpoche said don't aim so high like want to save or benefit the world. Take a small step at one time and be consistent. Let say we always get angry for 10 things per day. Let's reduce it to 8 per day then 7 the next day and continuously reduce it until zero. Then from the person that close to us, we can move on to our relatives, friends and so on. That time, I feel that it is quite logical and makes sense. What important is to take the first step to make a change and do it consistently. Practicing with someone close to us is easier for us. I feel that Rinpoche's method is practical and able to follow through. Whatever Rinpoche said and the example he gave I'm able to relate.
14 Sep 19, 11:40 AM
Jacinta: Thanks for sharing that Moderator. Rinpoche led by example..
14 Sep 19, 11:38 AM
Valentina: ANS 2: Rinpoche's teaching that really moved me was the teaching on Karma. The teaching answered many questions that I had in mind like why some people were born healthy while others are sickly. Why some people are rich while some are poor and so forth.
14 Sep 19, 11:37 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta... yes those teachings on animals are really a huge wake up call to most of us who would not have quit eating meat if it was not for Rinpoche's inspiration. I remembered Rinpoche used to love eating KFC but he just decided one to stop and told us in ladrang why and what he was trying to adopt and achieve. Soon enough the ladrang also started with once a week no meat and slowly it got extended to 6 days a week and eventually none.
14 Sep 19, 11:35 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin... for a first timer, I am sure it was a lot to absorb/take in/check out.
14 Sep 19, 11:34 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Which teachings did you heard, read or received from His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche that really moved you? Explained why and how did it move you?
The teaching that really, really moved me was Nothing changes, Everything Changes… https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/books-poetry/nothing-changes-everything-changes-2.html

This teaching really moved me because at that time I was going through some personal issues with a friend and Rinpoche’s teachings were so apt. In this teaching Rinpoche talked about how if we change on the inside, although it seems like nothing changes on the outside, but internally we change then we will see things start to change. We should be the one to let go of our expectations, projections and we change our thinking, attitude and from this, then everything around us, our view etc. the situation we are in will change. The teaching was about how we have to take the responsibility and acknowledge the problem within us first instead of always looking out at the external fault, we look in and change our mindset first. Then we will experience less suffering, less conflict, less disharmony within and without. This teaching made me realise how I was reacting at that time regarding my friend was wrong and how it made the situation worst and it help me to deal with it better. 

I highly recommend this teaching to just about anyone new or old to Dharma because it is very applicable and should be read/listened to all the time.
14 Sep 19, 11:33 AM
Yee Yin: 2. Which teachings did you heard, read or received from His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche that really moved you? Explained why and how did it moved you? Ans: There are so many teachings of Rinpoche that touch me. All of them point straight to our problems and the area we have to improve. Rinpoche's teachings on death in very practical and make us rethink our priority in life. It emphasises again and again that we are responsible to ourselves and the results we are getting. We can make a difference if we want.
14 Sep 19, 11:28 AM
Pastor Shin: @Pastor Shin do you remember what teaching it was that Rinpoche gave? - No, I don't remember which teaching it was as I was too busy trying to check out Rinpoche, the centre, the people at the centre, and also the guests. I wanted to see if I want to/should attend teachings and join the activities/centre.
14 Sep 19, 11:27 AM
Jacinta: Ans 2. The one that really moved me was the sufferings of the animals and why it is necessary for us to be kind to them. By mid 2013, I was slowly cutting off meat from my plates and up until now 😄. I'm glad I did. Throughout the years, I started to do my sadhana and joined in activities when I'm able. I always remember Rinpoche mentioned many many times that we have to be devoted to our Guru and hold our vows well.
14 Sep 19, 11:20 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Which teachings did you heard, read or received from His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche that really moved you? Explained why and how did it moved you?
14 Sep 19, 11:20 AM
Joy_Moderator: Next question...
14 Sep 19, 11:20 AM
Joy_Moderator: Yes you are right Jacinta... everyone has their own story and it is amazing how skilful Rinpoche is with each individual
14 Sep 19, 11:19 AM
Joy_Moderator: @Pastor Shin do you remember what teaching it was that Rinpoche gave?
14 Sep 19, 11:19 AM
Jacinta: By reading these stories shared by you all, I think Rinpoche already had in His mind what's the best for us and how to encourage us in our spiritual path,be it personally or as a group.
14 Sep 19, 11:19 AM
nicholas: Q1: Share with us briefly how you met Rinpoche and what exactly was your first impression of Rinpoche? It does not have to be a physical meeting, it could me an online meeting whereby you came across Rinpoche’s teachings.
A1: I first meet Rinpoche was during KWPC and KMP office opening. That time it was my second visit to Kechara. Pastor Henry invited me to attend the opening after my first visit. Everyone gathered at KWPC office and Rinpoche gave a talk in the evening. That was my first time meeting Rinpoche. At that time, I feel Rinpoche is very charismatic and he explains well. It’s easy to understand and I was so impressed and attracted to his way of teaching.
14 Sep 19, 11:16 AM
Joy_Moderator: A1: My sister invited me to join for dinner. I thought it was just her and maybe a few friends but little did I know that Rinpoche was sitting in my sister’s car at the passenger side. I did not notice Rinpoche was there at all until my cousin pointed that there was someone there. When we got out of the car, I was shocked to see such a tall monk. To short me Rinpoche was a giant and Rinpoche was so loud and I just couldn’t believe that even a monk friend of my sis had to be entertaining just like her and most of her friends. I had never met a Tibetan monk before and certainly not one that was this open, loud, funny and spoke perfect fluent American English. I was just amazed at everything. Rinpoche just kept on throwing jokes after jokes on the table. Then towards the end Rinpoche spoke directly to me as if reading my mind and the problems I had. That was the first time Rinpoche introduced me to my yidam. The rest as they said was history.
14 Sep 19, 11:16 AM
Pastor Shin: A1. I met Rinpoche when Rinpoche was giving Dharma Talk at Kechara House (KH1). Rinpoche was very knowledgeable, sharp, able to elucidate the most complex concepts in Dharma into everyday term and gave very practical methods on how to apply what was shared. Rinpoche was also very generous with his time, patiently explaining till late at night, and gave away many Dharma gifts to encourage others to start their Dharma practice.
14 Sep 19, 11:15 AM
Jacinta: It all started when it was around 2013.I was searching for Buddhist teachings ferociously and I've found a Rinpoche's blog and it's in Malaysia! In December 2013, my family and I went to Kechara House and so coincidentally it was Pastor Han Nee approached us. She taught us how to properly pay homage to a Lama. It was on that day itself I've received a Lama's gift unexpectedly. I've not meet Rinpoche personally but from then on I'm quite active in social media and throughout the years Rinpoche has given us teachings online. I personally felt that Rinpoche is very direct, kind and attentive to our answers .
14 Sep 19, 11:14 AM
Valentina: ANS 1: I met Rinpoche in 2006 in Kechara House PJ. At the time I was attending the puja for Rinpoche's 41st birthday. My first impression of Rinpoche was very generous. He gave me many gifts for myself, my mom and my dad. That night Rinpoche granted me an audience and advised me to a sadhana.
14 Sep 19, 11:12 AM
Yee Yin: 1. Share with us briefly how you met Rinpoche and what exactly was your first impression of Rinpoche? It does not have to be a physical meeting, it could me an online meeting whereby you came across Rinpoche’s teachings.
Ans: I knew about Rinpoche from the internet. I was looking for some information about Buddhism and I stumbled upon Kechara's website and Rinpoche's teachings. I went to visit Kechara Paradise first and then to Kechara House to attend the Dharma class. I was very lucky because not long after I knew about Kechara, there was the official opening of Kechara House. It was there when I first met Rinpoche.
14 Sep 19, 11:12 AM
Chris: 1. The first time i saw Rinpoche physically was at the puja in KH where we had the first public Dorje Shugden puja. Rinpoche came and gave explanation on this "new" protector. Rinpoche was really funny and told a lot jokes.
14 Sep 19, 11:08 AM
Joy_Moderator: Goor morning Jacinta and Valentina
14 Sep 19, 11:08 AM
Valentina: Good morning chatroom
14 Sep 19, 11:05 AM
Jacinta: Good morning Rinpoche, Pastors, Moderator and others.
14 Sep 19, 11:03 AM
Joy_Moderator: Good morning Chris
14 Sep 19, 11:02 AM
Joy_Moderator: 1. Share with us briefly how you met Rinpoche and what exactly was your first impression of Rinpoche? It does not have to be a physical meeting, it could me an online meeting whereby you came across Rinpoche’s teachings.
14 Sep 19, 11:02 AM
Chris: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone.
14 Sep 19, 10:59 AM
Joy_Moderator: Today’s blog chat will be slightly different with a mixture of your personal sharing and some questions about His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche’s biography which you can find out from… The Promise – Tsem Rinpoche’s inspiring biography now in ebook format!

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/me/tsem-rinpoches-inspiring-biography-now-in-ebook-format.html

We will start at 11am, in 1minute.
14 Sep 19, 12:32 AM
Rishika: helped a lot
14 Sep 19, 12:32 AM
Rishika: thank u we had for history test
14 Sep 19, 12:31 AM
Rishika: hi
12 Sep 19, 11:15 PM
Jacinta: Agree
12 Sep 19, 11:14 PM
Choong_Moderator: Yeah, we got our own cooks to test us.
12 Sep 19, 11:12 PM
graceleong: Choong_Moderator: Just a thought - Atisha's students had his cook to deal with, we have these anti-Dorje Shugden pp.- got to rejoice we can practice the 8 Verses of Thought Transformation. Anti Shugden are Jewels !! LOL !
12 Sep 19, 11:12 PM
Choong_Moderator: We are very fortunate.
12 Sep 19, 11:11 PM
graceleong: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Choong. Good night everyone.
12 Sep 19, 11:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: Just a thought - Atisha's students had his cook to deal with, we have these anti-Dorje Shugden pp.
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Cc: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong and everyone. Good night.
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Callista: Thank you and good night Rinpoche and everyone
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Jacinta: Good night and thank you Rinpoche, Moderator and others
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Cc: A32. Those whi refused and object were chased by mobs.
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
Elaine: Thank you and good night Rinpoche, Choong, Pastors and all.
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Choong and all. Good night.
12 Sep 19, 11:10 PM
yew seng: thank you Rinpoche and everyone... Good nite.
12 Sep 19, 11:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone here and see you next week.
12 Sep 19, 11:09 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you and good night Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room. See you all next week.
12 Sep 19, 11:08 PM
graceleong: A32.Whoever still dared to raise his voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs .
12 Sep 19, 11:08 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Perfectly logical Choong.
12 Sep 19, 11:08 PM
Choong_Moderator: If one behaves like the mob that attacks Dorje Shugden practitioners, then we won't be practitioners will we?
12 Sep 19, 11:07 PM
graceleong: My comments are just thoughts expressed to answer Elaine's question. Tq
12 Sep 19, 11:06 PM
graceleong: In fact our Guru will always remind us never to say anything negative against the Dalai Lama. Our Guru practiced deep compassion for all those who throw abuses at him and continue to share Dharma with the world.
12 Sep 19, 11:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: @graceleong, ideally we should be like a goldsmith analyzing gold, impartially and with solid reasoning behind the analysis. Definitely not revenge.
12 Sep 19, 11:06 PM
Callista: A32:Whoever refused to sign was identified as a traitor. Many described their conflict of conscience in this situation as similar to having to choose between mother and father, because they did not want to give up neither the Dalai Lama nor Dorje Shugden.

Whoever sill dared to raise his voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs from his house and home as happened, for example, with the family of the teacher Thubten.
12 Sep 19, 11:06 PM
Elaine: A32. Those who dared to object and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, were chased by mobs.
12 Sep 19, 11:05 PM
CarynW: A32: Those who did not heed the advice were chased by mobs from their house and home, as happened, for example with the family of the teacher Thubten.
12 Sep 19, 11:05 PM
yew seng: A32 ) Whoever sill dared to raise his voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs from his house and home.
12 Sep 19, 11:05 PM
Jacinta: A32. Whoever still dared to raise his voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs from his house and home as happened, for example, with the family of the teacher Thubten.
12 Sep 19, 11:05 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A32 : Whoever still dared to raise his voice and counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts, was chased by mobs from his house and home as happened, for example, with the family of the teacher Thubten.
12 Sep 19, 11:04 PM
Jacinta: A32
12 Sep 19, 11:04 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A32: Those who dare to oppose or raise voices to counter the justifications are chased and chastised by mobs. They were also subject to violence acts and ostracised from society at large.
12 Sep 19, 11:04 PM
graceleong: Well lets say Dorje Shugden practitioners - we are discriminated and being "abused" and tortured - do we take revenge and do tit for tat or do we apply our Guru's teachings whole heartedly and steadfastly ?
12 Sep 19, 11:03 PM
Cc: A31. Helmut Gassner refused to believe.
12 Sep 19, 11:03 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question for this evening. Q32. What happened to those who dare to raise their voice to counter the government-in-exile’s justifications with historical facts about Dorje Shugden?
12 Sep 19, 11:02 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Elaine, at the bottom of it all, Dharma practitioners are Truth seekers. Hence we definitely should investigate and not follow blindly.
12 Sep 19, 11:02 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Sorry as i also have to leave the chat room earlier. Thank you Rinpoche, Choong and all. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead..
12 Sep 19, 11:02 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Dear all, need to leave the room now.Thank you Rinpoche and everyone. Good night.
12 Sep 19, 11:01 PM
Elaine: It's a tricky situation.
12 Sep 19, 11:01 PM
CarynW: A31: Helmut never expected that someone of His Holiness’ stature with his background in Buddhist philosophy could have expressed such thought. He was convinced that some cunning politicians in the exile government had finally gone crazy. But no one had gone crazy, quite the contrary. It became clear that the move had been prepared over decades with very specific appointments to monastic and government positions and chronologically carefully orchestrated to coincide with the passing away of all the great figures capable of opposing this move.
12 Sep 19, 11:00 PM
yew seng: A31) That someone of His Holiness’ stature with his background in Buddhist philosophy could have expressed thoughts such as these was so unimaginable to Helmut that for the longest time he refused to believe the stories heard from India.
12 Sep 19, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Elaine, unless the Dalai Lama is your tantric master, you still ought to examine it yourself, ask questions, clarify, etc.
12 Sep 19, 11:00 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A31 : He refused to believe it.
12 Sep 19, 11:00 PM
graceleong: A31. Helmut was kind of in a state of disbelief that someone of His Holiness stature and level of spiritual practice could actually make speeches that discriminated others. Helmut was trying to convince himself that it was some political plot by cunning politicians ! Alas Helmut knew too well that the move made by His Holiness was a well thought out, well prepared , well orchestrated.
12 Sep 19, 10:59 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A31 :For the longest time he refused to believe the stories he heard from India. He was convinced that some cunning politicians in the exile government had finally gone crazy
12 Sep 19, 10:59 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): D31: Helmut Gassner's reaction to this was unimaginable and for the longest time, He refused to believe the stories heard from India.
12 Sep 19, 10:58 PM
Elaine: @Choong_Moderator if HHDL was your root Guru and he said to stop DS practice, do you follow or not?
12 Sep 19, 10:58 PM
Choong_Moderator: "It became clear that the move had been prepared over decades with very specific appointments to monastic and government positions and chronologically carefully orchestrated to coincide with the passing away of all the great figures capable of opposing this move."
12 Sep 19, 10:58 PM
Callista: A31:His Holiness’ stature with his background in Buddhist philosophy could have expressed thoughts such as these was so unimaginable to me that for the longest time I refused to believe the stories we heard from India. I was convinced that some cunning politicians in the exile government had finally gone crazy. But no one had gone crazy, quite the contrary. It became clear that the move had been prepared over decades with very specific appointments to monastic and government positions and chronologically carefully orchestrated to coincide with the passing away of all the great figures capable of opposing this move.
12 Sep 19, 10:57 PM
Choong_Moderator: @graceleong, yes, and lead to blind faith...
12 Sep 19, 10:57 PM
Jacinta: A31. Shocking. .. He can't believe that
12 Sep 19, 10:57 PM
Elaine: A31. Helmut didn't want to believe it. He couldn't believe that someone of His Holiness’ stature could have expressed such thoughts about DS.
12 Sep 19, 10:57 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A31: Helmut's reaction - unimaginable that someone of HHDL stature could express such views.
12 Sep 19, 10:55 PM
graceleong: The Dalai Lama was everything to some of them. This attachment, both physical n emotional would mean His Holiness could do no wrong .....
12 Sep 19, 10:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q31. What was Helmut Gassner’s reaction to this?
12 Sep 19, 10:53 PM
Callista: A30:The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.” Anyone familiar with the Tibetan way of thinking understands this to be a call to mobilize different groups of the population against each other because for most Tibetans nothing is more important than the Dalai Lama’s life; so if one is labeled an enemy of the Dalai Lama, one is branded as a traitor and therewith “free-for-all” or an outlaw. To a common Tibetan, the words “the worship of Dolgyal…” etc., mean, in simple terms, “Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who wants to do the Dalai Lama in and whose fault it is that Tibet is not yet free.”
12 Sep 19, 10:53 PM
Choong_Moderator: Well, I suppose they wanted to prove their "loyalty" to the Dalai Lama at the expense of the peoples' welfare.
12 Sep 19, 10:51 PM
Cc: Tq
12 Sep 19, 10:51 PM
yew seng: the key word here is "office of tibet"... Why is office of Tibet making statements on religious matters ? and who is exactly in the "office of tibet"...
12 Sep 19, 10:50 PM
Jacinta: 💞
12 Sep 19, 10:49 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you Choong.
12 Sep 19, 10:48 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A30: The Office of Tibet translated HHDL's apparent expression as the worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of HHDL. To a common Tibetan, the words “the worship of Dolgyal…” etc., mean, in simple terms, “Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who wants to do the Dalai Lama in and whose fault it is that Tibet is not yet free.”
12 Sep 19, 10:48 PM
graceleong: A30.The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.” Which means Dogyal worshippers are traitors and outlaws.
12 Sep 19, 10:47 PM
Choong_Moderator: A rare photo of the Dalai Lama in Dungkar 1951 https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/this-rare-snapshot-of-the-dalai-lama-ruler-of-the-mountain-news-photo/517240032
12 Sep 19, 10:47 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A30: The official translation from Office of Tibet meant that the worship of DS is spirit worship and does great harm to the Tibetan cause and endangers HHDL life. This effectively turned Tibetans against Tibetans and they will stop at nothing to ensure no harm comes to the DL.
12 Sep 19, 10:47 PM
Jacinta: A30. The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.” Anyone familiar with the Tibetan way of thinking understands this to be a call to mobilize different groups of the population against each other because for most Tibetans nothing is more important than the Dalai Lama’s life; so if one is labeled an enemy of the Dalai Lama, one is branded as a traitor and therewith “free-for-all” or an outlaw. To a common Tibetan, the words “the worship of Dolgyal…” etc., mean, in simple terms, “Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who wants to do the Dalai Lama in and whose fault it is that Tibet is not yet free.”
12 Sep 19, 10:47 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A30 :His Holiness apparently had expressed himself in the strongest terms against the veneration of Dorje Shugden. The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.” Anyone familiar with the Tibetan way of thinking understands this to be a call to mobilize different groups of the population against each other because for most Tibetans nothing is more important than the Dalai Lama’s life; so if one is labeled an enemy of the Dalai Lama, one is branded as a traitor and therewith “free-for-all” or an outlaw
12 Sep 19, 10:47 PM
Cc: A30. Helmut was his designated driver and interpreter. While in Geneva, His Holiness stayed at the same hotel where Empress Sissi of Autria stayed at the time. Drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and since Helmut was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for him at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so he took a room there at his own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it.
12 Sep 19, 10:46 PM
Cc: A29.Helmut was his designated driver and interpreter. While in Geneva, His Holiness stayed at the same hotel where Empress Sissi of Autria stayed at the time. Drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and since Helmut was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for him at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so he took a room there at his own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it.
12 Sep 19, 10:45 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A30 : The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.”
12 Sep 19, 10:45 PM
CarynW: A30: The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.”
12 Sep 19, 10:45 PM
yew seng: A30) The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.”
12 Sep 19, 10:45 PM
Cc: A28. Because HHDL imposèd Ďorje Shuģfen ban.
12 Sep 19, 10:43 PM
Elaine: A30 The official translation by the Office of Tibet read, “The worship of Dolgyal does great harm to the cause of Tibet and endangers the life of the Dalai Lama.” In simple language, it means Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who is a threat to the Dalai Lama's life and whose fault it is that Tibet is not yet free and all who practice DS are traitors.
12 Sep 19, 10:43 PM
Cc: A27.Helmut was his designated driver and interpreter. While in Geneva, His Holiness stayed at the same hotel where Empress Sissi of Autria stayed at the time. Drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and since Helmut was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for him at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so he took a room there at his own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it.
12 Sep 19, 10:43 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q30. How did the Office of Tibet translate the Dalai Lama’s apparent expression against the veneration of Dorje Shugden in 1996?
12 Sep 19, 10:43 PM
graceleong: A29. The Dalai Lama received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden during his first escape. The advice moved His Holiness to write some beautiful praises to Dorje Shugden.
12 Sep 19, 10:43 PM
Jacinta: What a valuable pic!
12 Sep 19, 10:42 PM
Choong_Moderator: Dalai Lama in Dromo 1951 https://www.dalailama.com/assets/pages/Pre_1959_007-birth6.jpg
12 Sep 19, 10:42 PM
Cc: A26.The Chamber of Industry had extended an invitation but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe apparently considered it to be unimportant. Although it was pointed out to them several times that this was a weighty organization with close links to the government, the Office of Tibet remained hesitant. They were finally convinced when a determined lady from Munich traveled to Dharamsala, obtained an audience with the Dalai Lama and told him that his people were deceiving him.
12 Sep 19, 10:41 PM
Callista: A29:During his first escape from Lhasa in 1950/51, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, while in Yadrung (Tromo) received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to him.
12 Sep 19, 10:40 PM
Callista: A28: In situations such as these, many promised the Dalai Lama to turn away from Dorje Shugden, a promise they often deeply regretted later on. In view of this incident, whenever I was asked in subsequent years to interpret for His Holiness, I tried to keep my distance.
12 Sep 19, 10:40 PM
graceleong: A28. Helmut kept away from the Dalai Lama because he did not want to feel obligated to turn away from Dorje Shugden. Helmut prefered to keep neutral and brushed aside negative comments on Dorje Shugden as false rumours.
12 Sep 19, 10:38 PM
Callista: A27:Helmut Gassner was drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and sine I was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for me at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so I took a room there at my own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it. Obviously, a personal initiative of this kind, even one I had payed for myself, was not welcome.
12 Sep 19, 10:37 PM
graceleong: A27. Helmut was not included by the organisers in the logistic and lodging plans during the talk sessions of His Holiness, but they still expected him to do the tasks of a personal interpreter, at his own costs. Even after paying his own costs His Holiness's Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out.
12 Sep 19, 10:35 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A29 : During his first escape from Lhasa in 1950/51, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, while in Yadrung (Tromo) received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to him.
12 Sep 19, 10:35 PM
CarynW: A29: The Dalai Lama received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and he was moved to write some beautiful praises to him.
12 Sep 19, 10:35 PM
Choong_Moderator: FYI 1950/51 was the first time the young Dalai Lama fled to Domo/Dromo/Yarlung because things got too hot in Lhasa.
12 Sep 19, 10:35 PM
Jacinta: A29.At Yadrung(Tromo), His Holiness received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to him.
12 Sep 19, 10:35 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A29: Whilst in Tromo, HHDL was moved by the invaluable advice by DS that he composed a beautiful praise to DS. He was staying in Dungkar Monastery when he composed the beautiful praise.
12 Sep 19, 10:34 PM
Elaine: A29 During his first escape from Lhasa in 1950/51, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, while in Yadrung (Tromo) received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden. The Dalai Lama during his escape followed the advice from Dorje Shugden and fled along a particular route. It was confirmed later that the particular route was the only route that had not fallen to the Chinese.
12 Sep 19, 10:34 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A29:During his first escape from Lhasa in 1950/51, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, while in Yadrung (Tromo) received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to him
12 Sep 19, 10:34 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A29: While HHDL fleeing Lhasa in 1950/1951, HHDL received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to Him.
12 Sep 19, 10:34 PM
yew seng: A29) During his first escape from Lhasa in 1950/51, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, while in Yadrung (Tromo) received valuable advice from Dorje Shugden and was moved to write some beautiful praises to him.
12 Sep 19, 10:33 PM
Cc: hi @Choong
12 Sep 19, 10:33 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hello Callista and Cc
12 Sep 19, 10:33 PM
Cc: good evening Rinpoche and everyone
12 Sep 19, 10:33 PM
graceleong: A26. The advice given to His Holiness that it wasn't important for him to attend the invite from the Chamber of Industry was a wrong advice.
12 Sep 19, 10:33 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, yes. Charming, charismatic, to the extent that one will just do as told and forget one's commitments.
12 Sep 19, 10:31 PM
Callista: Good evening Rinpoche, PHN and everyone
12 Sep 19, 10:31 PM
Callista: A26:The Chamber of Industry had extended an invitation but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe apparently considered it to be unimportant. Although it was pointed out to them several times that this was a weighty organization with close links to the government, the Office of Tibet remained hesitant. They were finally convinced when a determined lady from Munich traveled to Dharamsala, obtained an audience with the Dalai Lama and told him that his people were deceiving him.
12 Sep 19, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Choong - meaning HHDL's charisma will overwhelm students to practice according to HHDL way?
12 Sep 19, 10:30 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q29. What did the Dalai Lama experience while in Tromo, while taking shelter in Dungkar Monastery, while fleeing Lhasa in 1950/51? What did he compose?
12 Sep 19, 10:29 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A28: Helmut Gasser later kept his distance from the Dalai Lama because he still wants to practise Dorje Shugden despite HHDL ban the practice of Dorje Shunden.
12 Sep 19, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: In other words Helmut Gassner did not want to be overwhelmed by the Dalai Lama's strong ability to magnetize one to the extent that one loses one's ability to think clearly.
12 Sep 19, 10:28 PM
yew seng: A28) It was because of the Dorje Shugden ban, he did not want to be swayed by being too close of the Dalai Lama. He wanted to keep his commitment to Dorje Shugden.
12 Sep 19, 10:28 PM
CarynW: A28: It is because the Dalai Lama’s imposed a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden at that time. If Helmut was to continue be closed to the Dalai Lama, he would eventually be asked to stop the practice.
12 Sep 19, 10:26 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A28 : His Holiness was cordial and during their last private audience at the end of the trip he embraced Helmt for a long while, something he had never done before. Only later did Helmut learn that on certain occasions, His Holiness had treated many Tibetan masters and monks as well as Westerners with similar special expressions of affection. It is easy to become deeply moved and emotional and at that moment willing to do anything for the Dalai Lama. In situations such as these, many promised the Dalai Lama to turn away from Dorje Shugden, a promise they often deeply regretted later on. In view of this incident, whenever Helmut was asked in subsequent years to interpret for His Holiness, so Helmut tried to keep a distance.
12 Sep 19, 10:26 PM
Jacinta: A28. At that time, His Holiness has advised against the practice of Dorje Shugden. In situations such as these, many promised the Dalai Lama to turne Dorje Shugden, a promise they often deeply regretted later on. In view of this incident, whenever I was asked in subsequent years to interpret for His Holiness, I tried to keep my distance.
12 Sep 19, 10:26 PM
Elaine: A28.He kept his distance from HHDL because by then HHDL called for a ban of Dorje Shugden practice and if he remained close to him, he would have to follow suit and turn away from Dorje Shugden, something he was not prepared to do.
12 Sep 19, 10:26 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hello Grace Leong
12 Sep 19, 10:26 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A28 :He learn that on certain occasions, His Holiness had treated many Tibetan masters and monks as well as Westerners with similar special expressions of affection. It is easy to become deeply moved and emotional and at that moment willing to do anything for the Dalai Lama. In situations such as these, many promised the Dalai Lama to turn away from Dorje Shugden, a promise they often deeply regretted later on. In view of this incident, whenever he was asked in subsequent years to interpret for His Holiness, he tried to keep a distance
12 Sep 19, 10:25 PM
graceleong: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all
12 Sep 19, 10:25 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A28: Helmut kept his distance away from HHDL when he saw since the DS ban, those who promised to HHDL to not practise, they deeply regretted later.
12 Sep 19, 10:23 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q28. Why did Helmut Gassner later keep his distance from the Dalai Lama?
12 Sep 19, 10:22 PM
Choong_Moderator: Encircled by self-serving people.
12 Sep 19, 10:21 PM
CarynW: A27: Helmut Gassner was the designated driver and interpreter to the Dalai Lama for several talks in Geneva but no room reservation was made for him to stay in the same hotel as the Dalai Lama. Even with him taking the room at his own expense, this initiative was not welcomed by the Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary. During the presentations for His Holiness’ next visit the following spring (1989) it became even more evident that someone was profoundly annoyed with me. The organizers of the visit had requested me repeatedly to interpret for them, not so the Office of Tibet. The official request from His Holiness’ representative came only a few days before the beginning of the tour.
12 Sep 19, 10:20 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A27 : In 1988, His Holiness addressed the Swiss parliament in Bern and gave several talks in Geneva. Once more, Helmut was his designated driver and interpreter. While in Geneva, His Holiness stayed at the same hotel where Empress Sissi of Autria stayed at the time. Drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and since Helmut was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for him at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so he took a room there at his own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it. Obviously, a personal initiative of this kind, even one IHelmut had payed for himself, was not welcome.
12 Sep 19, 10:20 PM
Jacinta: A27. At that time, although he was assigned as a driver but he was not assigned the accomodation. In order stay close as interpreter, he paid for his own lodging but this move was not welcomed by the inner cycle of H.H. Dalai Lama. In fact, it was obvious that there were some not were nothappy about it
12 Sep 19, 10:20 PM
yew seng: A27. ) Dalai Lama's attendants did not wish Helmut to stay at the same hotel as the Dalai Lama, and no official invitation came from the office of Tibet requesting Helmut to be the official interpreter until the very last moment.
12 Sep 19, 10:19 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A27: Instances show that Helmut Gassner was not welcome by the ïnner circle"of the Dalai Lama as drivers had been assigned cheaper lodgings and since Helmut Gassner was listed as a driver, no reservation had been made for him at His Holiness’ hotel. But a personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so Helmut Gassner took a room there at hos own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it. Obviously, a personal initiative of this kind, even one Helmut Gassner had paid for himself, was not welcome.
12 Sep 19, 10:19 PM
Elaine: A27. In 1988, His Holiness addressed the Swiss parliament in Bern and gave several talks in Geneva. Helmut was listed as a driver and assigned a cheaper hotel than His Holiness. But he needed to be called to interpret at any time so he took a room at the same hotel as HH at his own expense. The attendants of HH showed displeasure at this, probably because they considered him lower class being only a driver who should not be staying at the same expensive hotel as HH.
12 Sep 19, 10:19 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A27: A personal interpreter was expected to be available at any time and so he took a room there at his own expense. The Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary became visibly angry when he found out about it. Obviously, a personal initiative of this kind, even one he had payed for himself, was not welcome.
12 Sep 19, 10:17 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A27: There were 2 instances that clearly showed Helmut was not welcomed. First was when all drivers have been assigned lodgings but Helmut was specifically left out and he had to fork out his own money to stay. Even this was not well liked by HH attendants. The second instance was HH office only extended the invitation to Helmut to important events just days before the event.
12 Sep 19, 10:15 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hi Yew Seng
12 Sep 19, 10:15 PM
yew seng: Good evening Rinpoche , good evening everyone. A26. The Chamber of Industry (with close links to the government ) had extended an invitation but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe apparently considered it to be unimportant. Although it was pointed out to them several times that this was a weighty organization with close links to the government, the Office of Tibet remained hesitant. They were finally convinced when a determined lady from Munich traveled to Dharamsala, obtained an audience with the Dalai Lama and told him that his people were deceiving him.
12 Sep 19, 10:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q27. What instances show that Helmut Gassner was not welcomed by the “inner circle” of the Dalai Lama?
12 Sep 19, 10:13 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A26:The Chamber of Industry had extended an invitation but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe apparently considered it to be unimportant. Although it was pointed out to them several times that this was a weighty organization with close links to the government, the Office of Tibet remained hesitant. They were finally convinced when a determined lady from Munich traveled to Dharamsala, obtained an audience with the Dalai Lama and told him that his people were deceiving him. Finally, the visit took place and became a great success
12 Sep 19, 10:12 PM
Elaine: A26. It was supposed to be a trip to Viena upon invitation by The Chamber of Industry but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe just brushed it aside thinking it was unimportant. It would have been an important meeting with links to the government.
12 Sep 19, 10:12 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A26 : The Chamber of Industry had extended an invitation but His Holiness’ representatives in Europe apparently considered it to be unimportant. Although it was pointed out to them several times that this was a weighty organization with close links to the government, the Office of Tibet remained hesitant. They were finally convinced when a determined lady from Munich traveled to Dharamsala, obtained an audience with the Dalai Lama and told him that his people were deceiving him.
[older messages]