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27 Jan 20, 09:23 PM
Nijala: Rinpoche you are awesome 🙏Love from Nepal.
27 Jan 20, 09:19 PM
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27 Jan 20, 09:18 PM
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26 Jan 20, 09:06 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Valentina for moderating. See everyone next week!
26 Jan 20, 09:02 PM
Joy: Thank you Rinpoche and Valentina for moderating tonigh's blog chat. See you next week!
26 Jan 20, 09:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette. See you next week
26 Jan 20, 08:59 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Valentina. Thank you everyone.
26 Jan 20, 08:58 PM
Valentina_moderator: We have come to the end of our blog chat session. Thank you Rinpoche for the opportunity to learn and everyone who participated in this chat session. Don't forget to do your dedication
26 Jan 20, 08:58 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. Who was Sri Kesari Warmadewa? What was his relationship with the Shailendra Dynasty?

ANS:

Sri Kesari Warmadewa was the first king of Bali to leave a written inscription. He authored it on the Belanjong Pillar in Sanur, Bali and it states that he was a member of the Shailendra Dynasty who led a military expedition to Bali to establish a Mahayana Buddhist government.

Thus, like the Shailendras who came before him, Sri Kesari was a Buddhist king. Sri Kesari is considered the founder of the Warmadewa Dynasty. Hence the Belanjong Pillar, which has been dated to 914 CE, draws a connection between the Warmadewa Dynasty with the Shailendras.
26 Jan 20, 08:57 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
26 Jan 20, 08:56 PM
Joy: 6. Who was Sri Kesari Warmadewa? What was his relationship with the Shailendra Dynasty?

Sri Kesari Warmadewa was the first king of Bali to leave a written inscription. He arose after the end of Balaputradewa’s reign and is know to have authored the inscription on the Belanjong Pillar in Sanur, Bali. It is stated that he was a member of the Shailendra Dynasty who led a military expedition to Bali to establish a Mahayana Buddhist government.
26 Jan 20, 08:55 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
26 Jan 20, 08:54 PM
Pastor Shin: A6. Sri Kesari Warmadewa is considered the founder of the Warmadewa Dynasty. He was the first king of Bali to leave a written inscription. He authored it on the Belanjong Pillar in Sanur, Bali and it states that he was a member of the Shailendra Dynasty who led a military expedition to Bali to establish a Mahayana Buddhist government.

Like the Shailendras who came before him, Sri Kesari was a Buddhist king. 
26 Jan 20, 08:54 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette
26 Jan 20, 08:53 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 6. Who was Sri Kesari Warmadewa? What was his relationship with the Shailendra Dynasty?

Sri Kesari Warmadewa was the first king of Bali to leave a written inscription. He arose after the end of Balaputradewa’s reign and is know to have authored the inscription on the Belanjong Pillar in Sanur, Bali. It is stated that he was a member of the Shailendra Dynasty who led a military expedition to Bali to establish a Mahayana Buddhist government.
26 Jan 20, 08:52 PM
Valentina_moderator: The answer to question no 6 can be found in the "Post-Balaputradewa era"
26 Jan 20, 08:51 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. Who was Sri Kesari Warmadewa? What was his relationship with the Shailendra Dynasty?
26 Jan 20, 08:51 PM
Pastor Shin: A5. It is documented in the 824 CE Karangtengah inscription that Pramodhawardhani established the holy Jinalaya Temple. 

In the Tri Tepusan inscription, which is dated to 842 CE, it tells of Pramodhawardhani freeing the local residents of land tax so that their additional disposable income could be put towards the maintenance of Bhumisambhara (better known as Borobudur).
26 Jan 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: Last question of the day
26 Jan 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: 5. What were the indications that Princess Pramodhawardhani was a deeply spiritual like many of her ancestors?

ANS: The followings are the indications that Princess Pramodhawardhani was deeply spiritual:

> In the 824 CE Karangtengah inscription, it is mentioned that Pramodhawardhani established the holy Jinalaya Temple. Incidentally, the inscription also mentions the establishment of another holy Buddhist building, Venuvana (meaning ‘Bamboo Forest’), by King Dharanindra to contain his cremated remains.

> In the Tri Tepusan inscription, which is dated to 842 CE, it tells of Pramodhawardhani freeing the local residents of land tax so that their additional disposable income could be put towards the maintenance of Bhumisambhara (better known as Borobudur).
26 Jan 20, 08:49 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
26 Jan 20, 08:49 PM
Joy: 5. What were the indications that Princess Pramodhawardhani was a deeply spiritual like many of her ancestors?

Pramodhawardhani established the holy Jinalaya Temple. She is also mentioned regarding the establishment of another holy Buddhist building, Venuvana (meaning ‘Bamboo Forest’), by King Dharanindra to contain his cremated remains.

Furthermore, in the Tri Tepusan inscription, which is dated to 842 CE, it tells of Pramodhawardhani freeing the local residents of land tax so that their additional disposable income could be put towards the maintenance of Bhumisambhara (better known as Borobudur).
26 Jan 20, 08:47 PM
Valentina_moderator: :heart: - @Pastor Antoinette. Thank you for your answer
26 Jan 20, 08:45 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. What were the indications that Princess Pramodhawardhani was a deeply spiritual like many of her ancestors?

Pramodhawardhani established the holy Jinalaya Temple. She is also mentioned regarding the establishment of another holy Buddhist building, Venuvana (meaning ‘Bamboo Forest’), by King Dharanindra to contain his cremated remains.

Furthermore, in the Tri Tepusan inscription, which is dated to 842 CE, it tells of Pramodhawardhani freeing the local residents of land tax so that their additional disposable income could be put towards the maintenance of Bhumisambhara (better known as Borobudur).
26 Jan 20, 08:45 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
26 Jan 20, 08:44 PM
Joy: 4. Please give one example of how the mutual alliances between the Shailendra and Srivijayans were forged and maintained.
The mutual alliances between the Shailendras and the Srivijayans were forged and maintained through peaceful means, including marriages like that between the Shailendra King Samaratungga and Dewi Tara, the daughter of the Srivijayan King Dharmasetu. With this beneficial alliance, the two kingdoms eliminated rivalries and promoted access to trade that spread internationally.

The union of King Samaratungga and Princess Dewi Tara is supposed to have borne two offspring – a daughter, Pramodhawardhani (or Sri/Cri Kahulunan) and a son, the heir Balaputradewa.
26 Jan 20, 08:44 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
26 Jan 20, 08:44 PM
Pastor Shin: A4. Mutual alliances between the Shailendras and the Srivijayans were forged and maintained through peaceful means, including marriages like that between the Shailendra King Samaratungga and Dewi Tara, the daughter of the Srivijayan King Dharmasetu. With this beneficial alliance, the two kingdoms eliminated rivalries and promoted access to trade that spread internationally.

The union of King Samaratungga and Princess Dewi Tara is supposed to have borne two offspring – a daughter, Pramodhawardhani (or Sri/Cri Kahulunan) and a son, the heir Balaputradewa.
26 Jan 20, 08:43 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-ch1qsnfis5962.jpg - an artist's illustration on the beautiful Princess Pramodhawardhani
26 Jan 20, 08:42 PM
Valentina_moderator: The answer to question no 5 still can be found in the Merging Power tab
26 Jan 20, 08:41 PM
Valentina_moderator: 5. What were the indications that Princess Pramodhawardhani was a deeply spiritual like many of her ancestors?
26 Jan 20, 08:41 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
26 Jan 20, 08:40 PM
Valentina_moderator: 4. Please give one example of how the mutual alliances between the Shailendra and Srivijayans were forged and maintained.

ANS: The mutual alliances between the Shailendras and the Srivijayans were forged and maintained through peaceful means, including marriages like that between the Shailendra King Samaratungga and Dewi Tara, the daughter of the Srivijayan King Dharmasetu. With this beneficial alliance, the two kingdoms eliminated rivalries and promoted access to trade that spread internationally.

The union of King Samaratungga and Princess Dewi Tara is supposed to have borne two offspring – a daughter, Pramodhawardhani (or Sri/Cri Kahulunan) and a son, the heir Balaputradewa.
26 Jan 20, 08:40 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
26 Jan 20, 08:39 PM
Pastor Shin: A3. King Sri Sanjaya requested for his heir Rakai Panangkaran’s (also known as Rakai Panaraban) conversion into Mahayana Buddhism, which had a lasting effect that spanned the period of the Shailendra Dynasty’s rule and beyond. 
26 Jan 20, 08:39 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette and Joy :)
26 Jan 20, 08:39 PM
Joy: 3. Who was the first Shailendra king who convert to Buddhism? What triggered this conversion?

- King Sri Sanjaya requested for his heir Rakai Panangkaran’s (also known as Rakai Panaraban) conversion into Mahayana Buddhism, which had a lasting effect that spanned the period of the Shailendra Dynasty’s rule and beyond. So Rakai Panangkaran was the first Shailendra king who converted to Buddhism.
- During this period, the Shailendra Dynasty established many holy and historical sites, such as the Borobudur Temple complex, along with producing many religious artefacts.
26 Jan 20, 08:38 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. Please give one example of how the mutual alliances between the Shailendra and Srivijayans were forged and maintained.

Mutual alliances between the Shailendras and the Srivijayans were forged and maintained through peaceful means, including marriages like that between the Shailendra King Samaratungga and Dewi Tara, the daughter of the Srivijayan King Dharmasetu. With this beneficial alliance, the two kingdoms eliminated rivalries and promoted access to trade that spread internationally.
26 Jan 20, 08:37 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you for the info Valentina
26 Jan 20, 08:35 PM
Valentina_moderator: The answer to question no 4 can be found in the Merging Power tab
26 Jan 20, 08:33 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette :D
26 Jan 20, 08:32 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. Who was the first Shailendra king who convert to Buddhism? What triggered this conversion?

Written in the Carita Parahyangan, a 16th Century manuscript, is the story of an old sickly King Sri Sanjaya who fell to public sentiment over their preference for the peace-loving Buddhism, rather than the feared Shiva worshipped by the royal family. King Sri Sanjaya ordered his son to convert to the Buddhist faith. The Raja Sankhara inscription also apparently described Panangkaran’s conversion to Buddhism due to his people’s fear of his faith in Shiva. Unfortunately however, the Raja Sankhara inscription has gone missing so this cannot be confirmed.
26 Jan 20, 08:32 PM
Valentina_moderator: 4. Please give one example of how the mutual alliances between the Shailendra and Srivijayans were forged and maintained.
26 Jan 20, 08:31 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
26 Jan 20, 08:31 PM
Valentina_moderator: 3. Who was the first Shailendra king who convert to Buddhism? What triggered this conversion?

ANS: The first Shailendra king who converted to Buddhism was Rakai Panangkaran. He was requested by his father King Sri Sanjaya to convert into Buddhism which had a lasting effect that spanned the period of the Shailendra Dynasty’s rule and beyond.
26 Jan 20, 08:28 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette
26 Jan 20, 08:27 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. Please provide three examples of the sources of information on the Shailendra Dynasty.

Sources of information are stone inscriptions found in Indonesia, the Malay peninsula and as far away as India, where there are historical mentions of the Shailendras spelled in different variations. An inscription is writing that has been carved into something made of stone or metal; one famous example that many will be familiar with is the Rosetta Stone.
Other sources about the Shailendra Dynasty come from Chinese, Muslim, and Indian texts. From China, the Shailendras are referred to in the Imperial Annals (Pen Chi), which are the Imperial Court’s detailed records of gifts or tributes received by the Emperor of China from various foreign emissaries.
From India, copper inscriptions provide important information on Java and Sumatra from the 9th to the 11th Centuries. Early documents, written in Sanskrit and Pali, also exist from as far back as the beginning of the Christian Era; these mention parts of the Indonesian archipelago, indicating that India knew of them well.
26 Jan 20, 08:25 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hint : answer no 3 can be found in the Historical tab
26 Jan 20, 08:23 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette and Pastor Shin
26 Jan 20, 08:23 PM
Pastor Shin: A2. Most of the historical information on the Shailendra Dynasty may be gleaned from stone inscriptions found in Indonesia, the Malay peninsula and as far away as India, where there are historical mentions of the Shailendras spelled in different variations. 

Apart from the inscriptions on stone and copper, there are also texts composed on palm leaves (known as lontar) which have been found in Java, Bali and Sunda. These texts are mostly histories written in the style of classical literature.

Other sources about the Shailendra Dynasty come from Chinese, Muslim, and Indian texts. 
26 Jan 20, 08:23 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 1. Who was the founder of Shailendra Dynasty? What were the challenges in reconstructing the list of Shailendra ruler?

The founder of the Shailendra Dynasty as Dapunta Selendra, positioning him as an ancestor of the Shailendras.

The many challenges for reconstructiong the list of Shailedra rulers were:
Lack of information because limited and difficult to decipher
Many kingdoms such as Kalingga, Medang and Srivijaya and places also overlapped
Spellng of names and places change because of differences in language and political changes for example
26 Jan 20, 08:21 PM
Valentina_moderator: 3. Who was the first Shailendra king who convert to Buddhism? What triggered this conversion?
26 Jan 20, 08:20 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question
26 Jan 20, 08:20 PM
Valentina_moderator: 2. Please provide three examples of the sources of information on the Shailendra Dynasty.

ANS: Three examples of the sources of information on the Shailendra Dynasty:

> Most of the historical information on the Shailendra Dynasty may be gleaned from stone inscriptions. These inscriptions provide the basis for the chronological documentation of Indonesian history.

> Apart from the inscriptions on stone and copper, there are also texts composed on palm leaves (known as lontar) which have been found in Java, Bali and Sunda. These texts are mostly histories written in the style of classical literature.

> Chinese, Muslim, and Indian texts.
26 Jan 20, 08:19 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy for your complete answer :)
26 Jan 20, 08:18 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hint : the answer to question no 2 can be found in the historical source tab :)
26 Jan 20, 08:18 PM
Joy: 2. Please provide three examples of the sources of information on the Shailendra Dynasty.

- Some inscriptions are copies written a few centuries after the date of the originals, mostly during the Majapahit period.

- Other sources about the Shailendra Dynasty come from Chinese, Muslim, and Indian texts. From China, the Shailendras are referred to in the Imperial Annals (Pen Chi), which are the Imperial Court’s detailed records of gifts or tributes received by the Emperor of China from various foreign emissaries. The Chinese Court’s officials recorded the names of foreign kings or heirs and/or the envoys, the gifts received, and the dates received.

- Another source of information from China are the Dynastic Histories where Notices (Chuan) written in dedication to respective countries were recorded. The Pen Chi and Chuan are often independent of each other and thus provide greater recorded accuracy on the events that took place. The Chinese records play an important role in recording the history of Indonesia, especially for the period before the 8th Century when most historical information about Java and Bali can trace their origins to these Chinese records.

- The Muslim records (mostly in Persian and Arabic) were often written by travellers and geographers who took more interest in the nature of the land rather than the events documented. As such, these records provide a different perspective on the lands of ancient Indonesia.
26 Jan 20, 08:14 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin
26 Jan 20, 08:13 PM
Pastor Shin: A1. The founder of the Shailendra Dynasty was Dapunta Selendra.

Challenges they faced in reconstructing the list were:
1. A lack of information. Information gleaned from inscriptions has often been very limited and difficult to decipher.
2. The Shailendras appear to have ruled many kingdoms such as Kalingga, Medang and Srivijaya, and oftentimes the kingdoms and places overlapped.
3. The spellings of names and places also vary widely, due to differences in language, the use of epithets, political influx and changes, the fact that these events took place so long ago, etc.
26 Jan 20, 08:10 PM
Valentina_moderator: 2. Please provide three examples of the sources of information on the Shailendra Dynasty.
26 Jan 20, 08:10 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
26 Jan 20, 08:10 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hi Pastor Antoinette. Welcome to our blog chat session :)
26 Jan 20, 08:10 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Good evening everyone.
26 Jan 20, 08:09 PM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was the founder of Shailendra Dynasty? What were the challenges in reconstructing the list of Shailendra ruler?

ANS: The Founder of Shailendra Dynasty was Dapunta Selendra. According to the Sojomerto inscription, the Shailendra Dynasty began with Dapunta Selendra, who established himself and his family in Batang Regency, Central Java. Dapunta Selendra is said to have been born in 674 CE.


The challenges in reconstructing the list of Shailendra ruler were:
1. A lack of information. Information gleaned from inscriptions has often been very limited and difficult to decipher.
2. The Shailendras appear to have ruled many kingdoms such as Kalingga, Medang and Srivijaya, and oftentimes the kingdoms and places overlapped.
3. The spellings of names and places also vary widely, due to differences in language, the use of epithets, political influx and changes, the fact that these events took place so long ago, etc.
26 Jan 20, 08:08 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-ch1qsn3u89769.jpg - Borobudur. The massive Buddhist temple was built by the Shailendra kings
26 Jan 20, 08:07 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
26 Jan 20, 08:06 PM
Joy: 1. Who was the founder of Shailendra Dynasty? What were the challenges in reconstructing the list of Shailendra ruler?

- Dapunta Selendra, the founder of the Shailendra Dynasty
- Historians have attempted to reconstruct a definitive list of the Shailendra rulers and their domain, but they have not been able to reach a consensus. Challenges they have faced include:

A lack of information. Information gleaned from inscriptions has often been very limited and difficult to decipher.
The Shailendras appear to have ruled many kingdoms such as Kalingga, Medang and Srivijaya, and oftentimes the kingdoms and places overlapped.
The spellings of names and places also vary widely, due to differences in language, the use of epithets, political influx and changes, the fact that these events took place so long ago, etc.
26 Jan 20, 08:04 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hint - you can find the answer in the introduction session
26 Jan 20, 08:02 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hi Joy... nice to see you here. Thank you for joining our blog chat session :)
26 Jan 20, 08:01 PM
Joy: Hi Valentina
26 Jan 20, 08:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was the founder of Shailendra Dynasty? What were the challenges in reconstructing the list of Shailendra ruler?
26 Jan 20, 08:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: ok first question...
26 Jan 20, 07:57 PM
Valentina_moderator: Three minutes into blog chat!
26 Jan 20, 12:21 PM
Valentina: Today’s blog chat topic is

The Shailendra Dynasty: Progenitor of Mahayana Buddhism in Indonesia

See you!!

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/art-architecture/the-shailendra-dynasty-progenitor-of-mahayana-buddhism-in-indonesia.html


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23 Jan 20, 10:56 PM
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23 Jan 20, 10:53 PM
Cc: A9. Jalandhara meditated for 7 years until he gained mahamudra-siddhi. In later life, later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:53 PM
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23 Jan 20, 10:52 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A9. Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and at last he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:50 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9. Jalandhara meditated for 7 years until he gained mahamudra-siddhi. In later life, later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:50 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A9 : Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and at last he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:50 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:49 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9: He meditated for 7 years. His later life was spent working selflessly for countless beings and he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:49 PM
Elaine: A9 Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and then he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples..
23 Jan 20, 10:49 PM
CarynW: A9: Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and at last he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:48 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9 : Jalandhara meditated for 7 years according to the instructions and at last he gained mahamudra-siddhi. Many years later, after working selflessly for untold beings, he was assumed bodily into the Paradise of the Dakinis with 300 disciples.
23 Jan 20, 10:47 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question for this evening. Q9. How long did Jalandhara meditate according to his dakini-guru’s instructions before gaining Mahamudra-siddhi? How did he spend his later lifetime?
23 Jan 20, 10:47 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A8: As he entered the blissful state the dakini gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:46 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A8. There, he sat under a tree and began to meditate. Soon, he was absorbed into a blissful state in which he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:46 PM
Cc: A8.He was absorbed into a blissful state, he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:46 PM
CarynW: A8: He heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:46 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: One day, when Jalandhara was absorbed into a blissful state, a dakini-guru spoke to him from the skies and appeared in front of him to give him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:45 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A8 : He was absorbed into a blissful state in which he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:44 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A8. One day, when he was absorbed into a blissful state, he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:44 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A8 : he was absorbed into a blissful state in which he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness
23 Jan 20, 10:43 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A7 : He was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:43 PM
Elaine: A8. He was meditating and absorbed into a blissful state when he heard a dakini speaking to him from the skies. When she spoke to him, he was overjoyed and prayed to his dakini-guru until she manifested before him. She gave him the Hevajra initiation and empowerment, and instructions to gather all perceptions and place them in the subtle planes of body, speech and mind. She further instructed him to meditate upon the indivisibility of appearances and emptiness.
23 Jan 20, 10:42 PM
Jacinta: A7: Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:42 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City, with great spirituality and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:42 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q8. Eventually he left everything behind, went to live in a cremation ground and started meditating. What happened when one day he was absorbed into a blissful state?
23 Jan 20, 10:42 PM
Cc: A7.Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:41 PM
Jacinta: A6: He practiced for 16 years and gained the siddhi of Mahamudra
23 Jan 20, 10:41 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A7. Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:41 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7: Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who had great spirituality. As he became more refined in his consciousness, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:41 PM
CarynW: A7: Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:41 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A7. Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:40 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara City who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:40 PM
CarynW: A6: Rahula practised it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body
23 Jan 20, 10:40 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: Upon receiving the instructions, Rahula practised it for 16 years and gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in his very own body.
23 Jan 20, 10:40 PM
Elaine: A7 Jalandhara was a Brahmin from Turkhara who was of great spirituality, and the more refined his consciousness became, the more disgusted he was for the life he saw around him.
23 Jan 20, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q7. Who was Jalandhara and what became of him as his consciousness became more and more refined?
23 Jan 20, 10:39 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A6 : The old man received these instructions and practiced it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:38 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6: Rahula practiced for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in his very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:37 PM
Cc: A6. 16 years.gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:37 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A6. He practiced it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and eventually he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:37 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : Rahula practiced it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra.
23 Jan 20, 10:37 PM
Cc: A5.The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you.
23 Jan 20, 10:36 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: The yogin's replied: The natural mind is without old age. Your nature is not dependent on wealth. If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma, I will take care of you. The yogin further gave Rahula initiation which transferred spiritual powers.
23 Jan 20, 10:36 PM
Elaine: A6. Rahula practiced it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:36 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A6. The old man received these instructions and practiced it for 16 years, gaining the siddhi of Mahamudra. He trained living beings in Kamarupa, and having narrated his experiences, he went to the realm of the Dakas in this very body.
23 Jan 20, 10:36 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. How long did Rahula practice and what did he gain?
23 Jan 20, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. The yogin then gave Rahula initiation which transfers spiritual powers, and these instructions:
"Eclipse the concepts of which you have taken hold
By the Rahu of non-dual experience.
By the Rahu of non-dual experience.
At the great bliss at the top of your head,
The profound seed-point will arise.
By the continuous integration of emptiness and bliss,
You will overcome the enemies, the skandhas.
The qualities of the Buddhas will arise,
And lo, there will be unceasing wonders".
23 Jan 20, 10:35 PM
Choong_Moderator: Anne Ong has the complete answer
23 Jan 20, 10:35 PM
Cc: Test
23 Jan 20, 10:35 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A5 : Upon listening to the old man’s tale, the yogin then asked shouldn’t he be practicing the Dharma as provision for death
23 Jan 20, 10:33 PM
Jacinta: A5: The reply: The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you.
23 Jan 20, 10:32 PM
CarynW: A5: Upon listening to the old man’s tale, the yogin then asked shouldn’t he be practicing the Dharma as provision for death? In reply, Rahula asked for the Dharma.
23 Jan 20, 10:32 PM
Elaine: A5. The yogin asked if he shouldn’t be practicing the Dharma as provision for death. He asked for dharma and so the yogin gave him initiation which transfers spiritual powers, with specific instructions.
23 Jan 20, 10:32 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. "The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you".
23 Jan 20, 10:32 PM
Lum Kok Luen: The yogin continued with this statement : The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you
23 Jan 20, 10:31 PM
Jacinta: Rahula asked for Dharma 😅
23 Jan 20, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A5: The yogin replied that Rahula should be practicing the Dharma to prepare for his death.
23 Jan 20, 10:30 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A5. Upon listening to the old man’s tale, the yogin then asked shouldn’t he be practicing the Dharma as provision for death? In reply, Rahula said “O guru, give the Dharma to me. Even though I am old and without wealth, please give me the Dharma.” And to that phrase, the yogin replied:

The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you.

The yogin then gave Rahula initiation which transfers spiritual powers, and these instructions:

Eclipse the concepts of which you have taken hold
By the Rahu of non-dual experience.
At the great bliss at the top of your head,
The profound seed-point will arise.

By the continuous integration of emptiness and bliss,
You will overcome the enemies, the skandhas.
The qualities of the Buddhas will arise,
And lo, there will be unceasing wonders.
23 Jan 20, 10:30 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : The yogin replied:

The natural mind is without old age.
Your nature is not dependent on wealth
If, with devotion, you are able to practice the holy Dharma,
I will take care of you.
23 Jan 20, 10:30 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. The yogin replied [][]
23 Jan 20, 10:29 PM
Jacinta: A4. Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:29 PM
Cc: A4. Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q5. Meeting a yogin in a cemetery where he went to after thinking of his next birth, Dharma asked for Dharma. What were the yogin’s replies?
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A4: Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. He was severely ill treated by his family when he became an old man.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
Cc: A3.Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.
For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
CarynW: A4: Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A4. Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A4 : Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:28 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A4.Rahula was born into a low caste family in Kamarupa. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:27 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A4: Rahula was ill treated by his family
23 Jan 20, 10:27 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A4 : Rahula was born in Kamarupa into a low caste family. When he became an old man, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:27 PM
Cc: A2. When he grew older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?”
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A4: Rahula was from a low caste family.
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Elaine: A4. Rahula came from a low caste family. In his old age, he was severely ill treated by his family.
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Jacinta: A3: Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.
For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Cc: A1.Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing.
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q4. What was Rahula’s background and how was he treated by his family?
23 Jan 20, 10:26 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right. Dharmapa received initiation and instructions from a dakini in his dreams.
23 Jan 20, 10:25 PM
Cc: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone
23 Jan 20, 10:24 PM
Jacinta: A2: He would like to meet His Guru.
23 Jan 20, 10:24 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A3: A dakini spoke to him in a dream and gave him encouragement and initiation together with instructions. Dharmapa recited mantras and practiced the precepts for 5 years, which developed into realized knowledge and his body became similarly like 8 years old person. Dharmapa worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:23 PM
CarynW: A3: A dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.
For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:23 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A3: A dakini appeared in his dream to him and gave him encouragement and initiation together with instructions. For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:22 PM
Elaine: A3. A dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions. So for 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:21 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A3. Later on, a dakini came to him in a dream and spoke to him, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions. For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:21 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A3 : Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.

For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old.
23 Jan 20, 10:21 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A3 : Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.

For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:20 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A2 : When he grew older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?
23 Jan 20, 10:20 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A3. For 5 years he recited mantras and practiced the precepts which developed into realized knowledge, and his body became like that of an 8 year old. He worked for the benefit of living beings until finally he went to the realm of the Dakas.
23 Jan 20, 10:19 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A1 : Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing
23 Jan 20, 10:19 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q3. What occurred later on and how was his practice afterwards?
23 Jan 20, 10:18 PM
Elaine: A2. As he was losing his sight, he thought it would be fitting to meet with a guru.
23 Jan 20, 10:17 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A2. When he gre older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?”
23 Jan 20, 10:16 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A2: When Dharmapa grew older and was losing his sight, and a thought occurred to him that would it be better for Dharma to meet with a guru.
23 Jan 20, 10:16 PM
Elaine: Evening everyone.
23 Jan 20, 10:16 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone .Sorry for late join in.
23 Jan 20, 10:15 PM
CarynW: A2: He was thinking it would be good to meet with a guru.
23 Jan 20, 10:14 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A2 : When he grew older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?”
23 Jan 20, 10:14 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A2: He was thinking it would be good if he could meet a Guru.
23 Jan 20, 10:14 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A1.Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing.,despite the fact that he had studied diligently.He did not have the wisdom of critical reflection or meditation.
23 Jan 20, 10:13 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A2. When he grew older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?” Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.
23 Jan 20, 10:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q2. What thought occurred to him when he grew older and was losing his sight?
23 Jan 20, 10:13 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A1; He was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing
23 Jan 20, 10:13 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A1: Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing.
23 Jan 20, 10:12 PM
CarynW: A1. Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing.
23 Jan 20, 10:12 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A1 : Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing.
23 Jan 20, 10:11 PM
Jacinta: Q1. Someone who was very knowledgeable and preached without practicing
23 Jan 20, 10:10 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A1. Dharmapa was a scholar in Bodhinagara who preached without practicing. When he grew older and was losing his sight, a thought occurred to him: “Would it not be fitting that I meet with a guru?” Later, a dakini spoke to him in a dream, giving him encouragement and initiation together with instructions.
23 Jan 20, 10:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q1. How would you describe Dharmapa when he was younger?
23 Jan 20, 10:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hello everyone. Let's begin.
23 Jan 20, 10:09 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room.
23 Jan 20, 10:08 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Hello Pastor Han Nee
23 Jan 20, 10:07 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good evening Rinpoche. Good evening Choong and everyone.
23 Jan 20, 10:07 PM
Jacinta: Hlo Yee Mun, Caryn, Anne and Lum
23 Jan 20, 10:06 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Hi Anne and Lum
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