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21 Mar 19, 11:20 PM
Soon Huat1: Good night Rinpoche. Good night Pastor Han Nee, Choong and chat room. Even I am late but I can feel the message of article by reading the replies. Guru Devotion is only way to enlightenment. I will not feel lost after meeting my Guru and have my Protector; I never feel alone anymore
21 Mar 19, 11:18 PM
Soon Huat1: I remembered Rinpoche once said Celeberating Wesak Day is like reminding our ultimate goal which is become Buddha, enlightened being.
21 Mar 19, 11:17 PM
Soon Huat1: Even Geshe-la is high attained lama, He did not show ego and act like humble student infront of His root Guru.---->>>A21: Geshe-la behaved like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 11:15 PM
Soon Huat1: I really llike this phase, which is shown how important of Guru Devotion to our practice --->>>A20: According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough
21 Mar 19, 11:14 PM
Soon Huat1: Q17. Why did Geshe-la insist that Rinpoche call his mother up and apologise?
Answer: I think Geshe-la want Rinpoche cut off the bad karma between Rinpoche and His step monther which is hatre.
21 Mar 19, 11:07 PM
Soon Huat1: I particular like this --->>A22. According to Rinpoche, real Guru Devotion was Devotion to the Inne r Guru, which is mind transformation, devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him.
21 Mar 19, 11:06 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead.
21 Mar 19, 11:05 PM
callista: Thank you and good night Rinpoche, PHN, Choong and everyone
21 Mar 19, 11:05 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A22: According to Rinpoche, the real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted we are to our Guru is how much we have transformed since the day we met our Guru. If we have not transformed much, we need to immediately reflect on ourselves and work harder without any further delay.
21 Mar 19, 11:04 PM
Soon Huat1: @Choong, feel very bad
21 Mar 19, 11:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hi Soon Huat. Never too late... :)
21 Mar 19, 11:03 PM
Cc: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone.
21 Mar 19, 11:03 PM
Cc: A22.The real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher.
21 Mar 19, 11:03 PM
Soon Huat1: Sorry Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong, I am late but I read the message
21 Mar 19, 11:03 PM
Jacinta: Thank you and Good night to Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Moderatpr Choong and everyone here. Thanks for the learning .,,
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
yew seng: thank you Rinpoche and everyone here tonite..
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you very much Rinpoche, Pastor and all in room for this opportunity to learn Dharma. May all be blessed and grow in our Guru devotion.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you very much Rinpoche, Choong and everyone. Goodnight.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor and all. Good night.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Thank you Rinpcohe , Choong and everyone , Good Night.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone. Good night.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
shelly tai: A22: The real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him. If you have not transformed much, then you have to reflect why and do something about it immediately.
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Moderator !
21 Mar 19, 11:02 PM
Cc: A21.When Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was present, Geshe-la became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 11:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: That was the last question. Thank you very much for joining today's chat and please do your dedications!
21 Mar 19, 11:01 PM
Cc: A20.According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough
21 Mar 19, 11:00 PM
CarynW: A22: The real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him. If you have not transformed much, then you have to reflect why and do something about it immediately.
21 Mar 19, 10:59 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A22: Rinpoche mentioned that real Guru devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher.
21 Mar 19, 10:59 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A22 : According to Rinpoche the real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him. If you have not transformed much, then you have to reflect why and do something about it immediately.
21 Mar 19, 10:59 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A22. According to Rinpoche, real Guru Devotion was Devotion to the Inne r Guru, which is mind transformation, devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him.
21 Mar 19, 10:58 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A22 :Guru Devotion in actuality, is not about prostrating at your teacher’s feet, or serving him or doing his laundry or cooking for him. All those are outer expressions of Guru Devotion. The real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him
21 Mar 19, 10:58 PM
Elaine: A22. The real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher.
21 Mar 19, 10:58 PM
Jacinta: A22: According to Rinpoche, the real Guru Devotion is the inner Guru Devotion which is transformation, and devotion to the Guru is actually devotion to the state of mind that we want to accomplish, which is reflected in the form of our teacher. How devoted you are to your Guru is how much you have transformed since the day you met him.
21 Mar 19, 10:58 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A21: When Kaybje Zong Rinpoche was present, Geshe-la became like a young student again and he was meek, humble and fundamentallym the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion came to life. Geshe-la will not sit down until he was asked to do so by Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. Sometimes, when Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit down, Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, with his hands clasped in front of Hum and his head slightly bowed out of respect.
21 Mar 19, 10:57 PM
Cc: A19.Geshe-la said to his students that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, they should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it.
21 Mar 19, 10:56 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q22. What is the real Guru Devotion according to Rinpoche?
21 Mar 19, 10:56 PM
yew seng: A21 : Geshe-la behaved like a young student whenever Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was around. Such was his reverence and love for his guru.
21 Mar 19, 10:56 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A21 : When Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was present, Geshe-la became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:55 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A21. In the presence of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, Geshe-la became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. In fact, sometimes, when Zong Rinpoche forgot to tell Geshe-la to sit down, in the presence of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, he would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours!
21 Mar 19, 10:55 PM
shelly tai: A21: in the presence of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, Geshe-la became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:55 PM
Cc: A18.Geshe-la said to Rinpoche, “You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. He taught me not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If you want to practise Dharma, if you want to gain attainments and if you want to progress, you have to accept that it’s your karma. You have to let it go.”
21 Mar 19, 10:55 PM
Cc: A17. Geshe-La advised Rinpoche not to look at things negatively and focus on the positive things that she has done.
21 Mar 19, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A21: He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life.
21 Mar 19, 10:54 PM
CarynW: A21: Geshe-la behaved like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:54 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A21 : In the presence of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, Geshe-la became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and basically, the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:54 PM
Jacinta: A21: Extremely humble like a new bride would. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:54 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A20 : Rinpoche never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
21 Mar 19, 10:53 PM
Cc: Hi @Choong
21 Mar 19, 10:53 PM
Elaine: A21. Geshe-la was the embodiment of guru devotion. When Geshe-la was with his students, he was the teacher but in the presence of HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, he became like a young student again. He was meek, humble and did exactly as what was described in the 50 Stanzas even in the presence of his own students.
21 Mar 19, 10:53 PM
Cc: A16.Geshe-la had Rinpoche call up his adoptive mom in New Jersey. Geshe-la said Rinpoche should apologise for the hurt he had caused her by running away. Rinpoche was balking at the suggestion because he was the one hurt and abused by his mom.
21 Mar 19, 10:52 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q21. How would Geshe-la behave when Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was present?
21 Mar 19, 10:52 PM
Jacinta: 👏👏👏@Yew Seng
21 Mar 19, 10:52 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A20. According to the teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough. Hence, although Rinpoche wa scolded by Geshe-la, he immediately though that there was a reason for this and he did not have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In fact, he had never ever retaliated or spoken back to himin the many years he wa swith Geshe-la. In his behaviour and attitude, Rinpoche always adhered to the the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A20: Tsem Rinpoche had never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la although Geshe-la became upset with Rinpoche regarding the altar arrangement because Tsem Rinpoche kept his behaviour according to Guru Devotion texts to his best as he could.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Good answer and summary Yew Seng
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A20: The 50 verses was exemplified when Geshe-la wanted the Dharma texts to be re-arranged back to the original way that Rinpoche has done before. Rinpoche had no thoughts negatively towards Geshe-la in this incident. This is one of the key teachings in the 50 verses - never disparage your guru or to have negative thoughts.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
CarynW: A20: “50 Verses of Guru Devotion” teaches us not to disparage our Guru or have negative thoughts about the Guru once we have taken refuge in a teacher. Geshe-la became upset with Rinpoche when the altar arrangement was not done according to instruction but Rinpoche did not have any negative thoughts or retaliate. He kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
yew seng: A20 : According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage or think negative thoughts about the teacher. Rinpoche got told off even though Rinpoche was doing the right thing in rearranging the alter for when the 98th Gaden Tri Rinpoche Jetsun Jamphel Shenphen was to visit Not once did Rinpoche harbour any ill thoughts of this teacher.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A20 :According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough.It is according to tantric code and the Guru Devotion teachings. So Rinpoche would let these people know politely but firmly that he was not interested in anything they had to say. when it came to Dharma practice, especially the teachings on Guru Devotion, Rinpoche was (and still am) very firm and serious about it.
21 Mar 19, 10:51 PM
callista: A20: The 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion come to life. If Kyabje Zong Rinpoche did not ask him to sit down, he would remain standing and would not sit down until he was asked to do so. Sometimes Kyabje Zong Rinpoche would forget to tell Geshe-la to sit, so Geshe-la would remain standing for hours, his hands clasped in front of him and his head slightly bowed, listening intently to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. He would nod from time to time and say ‘yes’ to acknowledge Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, and he would remain like this, unmoving and not fidgeting for hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:49 PM
shelly tai: A20: According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough
21 Mar 19, 10:47 PM
callista: 19: Geshe-la told us that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
21 Mar 19, 10:47 PM
Jacinta: A20: According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, you should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect your practice if you are not strong enough

In this case, although Rinpoche was scolded for rearranged the things on the altar but Rinpoche didn’t retaliate or have negative thoughts towards Geshe-la.
21 Mar 19, 10:47 PM
Elaine: A20. According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. So regarding the incident of the altar arrangement, Rinpoche did not harbour any anger towards Geshe-la or engage in any gossip behind his back.
21 Mar 19, 10:45 PM
shelly tai: A19: never once did Geshe-la give any of us initiation. Geshe-la told Rinpoche that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
21 Mar 19, 10:45 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A19: Geshe-la did not give any of his students initiation because Geshe-la was very humble and always advised to his students to refer to his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, as long as Zong Rinpoche was alive at that moment.
21 Mar 19, 10:45 PM
callista: A18:Although Rinpoche anger towards his mother can be justified due to the way she had treated him, Geshe-la has taught him how to let go and how to cut the negative karma so that he would not hurt his mother again in the future.
21 Mar 19, 10:44 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A19 : There were many, many teachings that Geshe-la gave students, but never once did Geshe-la give any of them initiation. Geshe-la told them that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, they should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
21 Mar 19, 10:44 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q20. What does the “50 Verses of Guru Devotion” teach and how was this examplified when Geshe-la became upset with Rinpoche regarding the altar arrangement for when the 98th Gaden Tri Rinpoche Jetsun Jamphel Shenphen was to visit?
21 Mar 19, 10:44 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A19. In not giving initiationsto his students because his Guru Zong Rinpoche was there to give them, Geshe-la showed his deep humility before his own Guru and his strong Guru Devotion.
21 Mar 19, 10:42 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta
21 Mar 19, 10:42 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A19 : Geshe-la told Rinpoche that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it.
21 Mar 19, 10:42 PM
Jacinta: 40. If you are (requested) to perform a consecration, (an initiation into) a mandala, a fire puja or to gather disciples and deliver a discourse, you may not do so if your Guru resides in that area, unless you receive his prior permission.
21 Mar 19, 10:41 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A19: Geshe-la said that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it.
21 Mar 19, 10:41 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A18: Geshe-la advised to Rinpoche to accept the karma because Rinpoche must have done something in previous life to experience the pain given by his mother. Geshe-la further advised Rinpoche not to be selective of Buddha's teachings and owing to that, Geshe-la mentioned that the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation was not just a prayer but something that is alive and should be practised and lived.
21 Mar 19, 10:41 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A19: Geshe-la did not give any initiations to his students due to his Guru devotion. His teacher, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was still alive then and he felt that it is only proper that his Guru is the right person to give initiations. This is how humble Geshe-la was.
21 Mar 19, 10:41 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A18. Geshe-la said that Rinpoche had to accept karma - that he had done something previously that created the cause for what he experienced with his mother. He had to accept karma if he wanted to truly practice Dharma and gain progress on his spiritual path. He had to accept karma and let go. Geshe-la was showing Rinpoche how to live the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation.
21 Mar 19, 10:41 PM
CarynW: A19: Geshe-la said to his students that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, they should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it. It was not that Geshe-la was not qualified to give the initiations but as long as his Guru was available, Geshe-la always deferred to his teacher. That is how humble and how devoted Geshe-la was to his Guru.
21 Mar 19, 10:40 PM
Elaine: A19. Out of humility, Geshe-la did not want to give initiations as long as his Guru, HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive. He said his students should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche.
21 Mar 19, 10:40 PM
callista: A17: Geshe- la want Rinpoche to look at the positive and don’t only look at the negative things his mother did
21 Mar 19, 10:40 PM
yew seng: A19 : Geshe-la said that as long as his Guru His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was alive, we should get initiations from Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and there was no need for himself to give it.
21 Mar 19, 10:40 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A18 : Geshe-la said to Rinpoche, “You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. He taught Rinpoche not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If he want to practise Dharma, if he want to gain attainments and if he want to progress, he have to accept that it’s his karma. He have to let it go.” With Geshe-la, the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation was not just a prayer but something that is alive, and should be practised and lived.
21 Mar 19, 10:40 PM
Jacinta: A19: He was humble and it’s accordance with 50 Guru Devotion.
21 Mar 19, 10:39 PM
Elaine: A18. Gesha-la reminded Rinpoche that he should accept that it was his karma to experience that suffering under his mother.
21 Mar 19, 10:38 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q19. Why did Geshe-la not give any of his students initiation?
21 Mar 19, 10:37 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A18:If Rinpoche wants to practise Dharma and gain attainments and if he wants to progress, he has to accept that it’s his karma and he has to let it go
21 Mar 19, 10:37 PM
yew seng: A18: Rinpoche had to accept the karma ( negative actions done to him ), so that he may let go and so that the negative karma Rinpoche's mother may had accumulated would not return to her.
21 Mar 19, 10:37 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A17 : Geshe-la insisted that Rinpoche call her and when Rinpoche asked why, he said to Rinpoche,“Because you don’t only look at the negative things your mother did – you have to look at the positive. You’re here. Someone fed you. Someone gave you a house. You’re here in the centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. You call her and say you’re sorry for the things you said to her and for the things you thought about her.”
21 Mar 19, 10:37 PM
CarynW: A18: Geshe-la said to Rinpoche, “You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. He taught me not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If you want to practise Dharma, if you want to gain attainments and if you want to progress, you have to accept that it’s your karma. You have to let it go.”
21 Mar 19, 10:36 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A18 : Geshe-la said to Rinpoche , “You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. He taught me not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If you want to practise Dharma, if you want to gain attainments and if you want to progress, you have to accept that it’s your karma. You have to let it go.”
21 Mar 19, 10:36 PM
callista: A16:Geshe-la request Rinpoche to call up his adoptive mom in New Jersey. Geshe-la said Rinpoche should apologise for the hurt he had caused his mother by running away. Rinpoche refused to call and apologise as he is the one who got abused for many years!” Rinpoche was not trying to be rude or disrespect Geshe-la but he did not understand why he had to apologise to his mom. In fact Rinpoche mom, Dana, was at heart a warm, wonderful and very generous woman.
21 Mar 19, 10:36 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A18: Geshe-la told Rinpoche this in accepting karma : You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. Do not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If you want to practise Dharma, if you want to gain attainments and if you want to progress, you have to accept that it’s your karma. You have to let it go.
21 Mar 19, 10:35 PM
Jacinta: A18: Geshe-la said to Rinpoche, “You didn’t do anything now but you must have done something in your previous life to get this. Either you accept karma or you don’t. He taught me not to be selective of Buddha’s teachings. To pick what was easy and ignore what was difficult but necessary to practice. If you want to practise Dharma, if you want to gain attainments and if you want to progress, you have to accept that it’s your karma. You have to let it go.”
21 Mar 19, 10:35 PM
Cc: Hi PHN
21 Mar 19, 10:35 PM
Cc: A15.Rinpoche's faith in him grew a thousand-fold and he thought, what a great master he have come across, someone who is totally disinterested in the Eight Worldly Dharmas and Rinpcohe felt that how fortunate he was to have taken refuge in a person with such qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A17:Geshe -la insisted that Rinpoche hasdto apologise because he wanted Rinpoche have hurt his mother with his words and actions
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A17 : GEshe-la insisted Rinpoche to call his mom because Rinpoche should not look at the negative things his mother did, should look at the positive. Rinpoche are able to be in centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. Rinpoche to call his mom and apologize for the things he said to her and for the things he thought about her.
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A17. Geshe-la told Rinpoche that he should look at the postive side and not jus the negative things that his mother had done to him. The fact that Rinpoche was there in the Dharma center learnin g the Dharma was due to someone like his mother, who ha d given him shelter and fed him. It was her kindness to him that he should now remember. Hence he should call her and apologise to her .
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A17: Geshe-la insisted Rinpoche to call to his mother and apologise because Geshe-la advised to Rinpoche that Rinpoche has to look on the positive side of his adoptive mother because it was because of his mother, Rinpoche was able to meet with Geshe-la in LA. Other than that, Geshe-la also taught Rinpoche to let go of the past and not to engage in angersome that lead to bad karma, where Rinpoche will be remained being hurt if Rinpoche did not let go.
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q18. What did Geshe-la say to Rinpoche about accepting karma?
21 Mar 19, 10:34 PM
CarynW: A17: Geshe-la advised Rinpoche not to look at the negative things that his mother did. His mother did take care of Rinpoche when she was not sick, provider him home and food and due to her kindness, Rinpoche was able to come to Geshe-la’s Dharma centre.
21 Mar 19, 10:33 PM
shelly tai: A17: Because Geshe La said do not look at the negative things about his mother Rinpoche must look at the positive things that his mother has done
21 Mar 19, 10:33 PM
Cc: A14.Rinpoche was totally and completely overwhelmed. Not only had he was received permission from Kensur Rinpoche to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, but how Kensur Rinpoche gave him permission instantly made my faith in him grow even stronger
21 Mar 19, 10:33 PM
Jacinta: Besides, from this action, we will learn to accept karma as taught by Lord Buddha
21 Mar 19, 10:31 PM
yew seng: A17 : Gesha-la insisted because Rinpoche may have said things that hurt his mother.
21 Mar 19, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A17: Geshe-la gave a very important lesson to Rinpoche. It was his mother that have shown kindness to Rinpoche to give him food, to provide shelter, to love him, to always look at the positive things that she had done for him. So. Geshe-la insisted that Rinpoche called his mother to say sorry for all the words and thoughts that could have hurt her.
21 Mar 19, 10:31 PM
Elaine: A17. Geshe-la kept insisting, explaining that Rinpoche should not only look at the negative things his mother did but focus on the positive. It was because of his mother's kindness that Rinpoche was alive and well and at the dharma centre learning the Dharma. IMO, it's not that Rinpoche had bad thoughts about his mum as he is all compassionate. Rather, he lived it out as any human being, making it a life lesson for us, his future students.
21 Mar 19, 10:30 PM
Jacinta: A17: Geshe -la insisted that Rinpoche has to apologised because He wanted Rinpoche to let go. To let go of the past and this actually will help Rinpoche to pursue His Dharma path sincerely
21 Mar 19, 10:29 PM
Jacinta: A16: Geshe-la requested that Rinpoche called His adoptive mother and apologised for running away. Rinpoche wasn’t happy when requested to do so as He felt that His mother would not want to listen and in fact Rinpoche felt the adoptive mother has wronged Him. However, Rinpoche relented in the end as He needs to listen to Guru’s instruction
21 Mar 19, 10:28 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q17. Why did Geshe-la insist that Rinpoche call his mother up and apologise?
21 Mar 19, 10:28 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hi Callista and Caroline
21 Mar 19, 10:28 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Callista
21 Mar 19, 10:27 PM
CarynW: A16: Geshe-la had Rinpoche to call Rinpoche’s adoptive mother in New Jersey and apologise to her for the hurt that Rinpoche had caused to her by running away. Rinpoche balked at that suggestion as his mother abused him for many years. He felt the apology should not come from him.
21 Mar 19, 10:27 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A16: Geshe-la had advised Tsem Rinpoche to apologise to Rinpoche's adoptive mother after Rinpoche had settled down in LA. Rinpoche balked at that suggestion because Rinpoche did not understand why Rinpoche has to apologise to his mother even Rinpoche was the one who get hurt by his mother all the times.
21 Mar 19, 10:26 PM
callista: Good evening Rinpoche, PHN. Choong and everyone
21 Mar 19, 10:26 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A16:Geshe-la asked Rinpoche to call up his adoptive mom in New Jersey and apologise for the hurt he had caused her by running away. Balking at the suggestion, Rinpoche did not understand why I had to apologise to my mom even though he was the one who got beaten and abused by his mum.
21 Mar 19, 10:26 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A16 : After Rinpoche had settled down in Los Angeles, Geshe-la had ask him to call up his adoptive mom in New Jersey and apologise to her for the hurt he had caused by running away. Balking at the suggestion, Rinpoche said to Geshe-la, “Apologise to her? But she’s the one who abused me and beat me! I’m the one who got beaten, I’m the one who was screamed at, I’m the one who was slapped, hurt and abused for many years!”Rinpoche was not trying to be rude or disrespect Geshe-la but he did not understand why he had to apologise to his mom.
21 Mar 19, 10:26 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A16: After Rinpoche had settled down in Los Angeles, Geshe-la had Rinpoche call up his adoptive mom in New Jersey. Geshe-la said Rinpoche should apologise for the hurt he had caused her by running away. Rinpoche was balking at the suggestion because he was the one hurt and abused by his mom.
21 Mar 19, 10:26 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Caroline.
21 Mar 19, 10:25 PM
Cc: Hi Rnpoche and everyone
21 Mar 19, 10:25 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A16. Geshe-la asked Rinpoche to apologise to his adoptive mother for the hurt he had caused her by running away. Rinpoche balked a t that suggestion because he felt it should be the other way round. His mother had been the one who ha d hur t him,beaten him, slapped him and abused him for many years!
21 Mar 19, 10:25 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A16: Geshe-la wanted Rinpoche to call up his adoptive mother (Dana) to apologise for hurting her by running away from home. Rinpoche balked at the suggestion as he felt that it was his mother that caused him such pain and hurt to prevent him from pursuing Dharma.
21 Mar 19, 10:24 PM
yew seng: A16 : Gesha-la said Rinpoche should call up his mother to apologise for the hurt that he had caused her by running away. Rinpoche balked at the suggestion because Rinpoche was thinking that he did no wrong.
21 Mar 19, 10:23 PM
Elaine: A16. Geshe-la asked Rinpoche to call up his adoptive mother in NJ and apologise for the hurt he had caused her by running away. Rinpoche totally balked at the suggestion because, understandably, Rinpoche was hurt as his mother was the one who abused him for many years.
21 Mar 19, 10:21 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q16. What did Geshe-la ask Rinpoche to do once he had settled down in Los Angeles? Why did Rinpoche balk at that suggestion?
21 Mar 19, 10:20 PM
CarynW: A15: There was no reaction from Kensur Rinpoche other than instructed Rinpoche to make him a cup of team when Rinpoche told him about Kensur Rinpoche had given him permission. That shows Geshe-la a great master who is totally disinterested in the eight worldly dharmas. Rinpoche is fortunate to have taken refuge in a person with such qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:20 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A15. Geshe-la did not bask in the praises of him by Kensur Rinpoche.
21 Mar 19, 10:19 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A15 : Rinpoche's faith grew a thousand-fold because Geshe-la was someone who is totally disinterested in the Eight Worldly Dharmas. and how fortunate Rinpoche can take refuge in a person with such qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:19 PM
yew seng: A15 : Kensur Rinpoche told Rinpoche to treat Geshe-la as his equal. and that he's very happy that Rinpoche is able to study under such a great master.
21 Mar 19, 10:19 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A15. This was because of Geshe-la's reaction to the praise by Kensur Rinpoche and nice things that Kensur Rinpoche had said about him. His response showed that Geshe-la was totally disinterested in the Eight Worldly Dharmas. Rinpoche felt very fortunate in having taken refuge with a master of such great qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:18 PM
shelly tai: A15: after Rinpoche reported that to Geshe-la, he had no reaction other than to ask for tea. No “tell me more” or “what else did he say”. Immediately, Rinpoche faith in him grew a thousand-fold and Rinpoche thought, what a great master he have come across, someone who is totally disinterested in the Eight Worldly Dharmas and how fortunate Rinpoche to have taken refuge in a person with such qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:18 PM
Jacinta: A15: This is because Rinpoche found that Geshe- la was egoless. Even after Rinpoche reported to Geshe-la that Kensur Rinpoche has praise but Geshe-la wasn’t perturbed by it. This is in accordance with what we should practice~ To be free from The eight worldly Dharma
21 Mar 19, 10:18 PM
Choong_Moderator: The 8 Worldly Concerns are:

1 & 2: Happiness vs. Suffering


3 & 4: Fame vs. Insignificance

5 & 6: Praise vs. Blame

7 & 8: Gain vs. Loss
21 Mar 19, 10:18 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A15 : Rinpoche rushed to report to Geshe-la what Kensur Rinpoche said, including the praise Kensur Rinpoche had for him. All Geshe-la said was, “Okay, now go and make me a cup of tea.” He had no reaction other than to ask for tea. No “tell me more” or “what else did he say”. Immediately, Rinpoche's faith in him grew a thousand-fold and he thought, what a great master he have come across, someone who is totally disinterested in the Eight Worldly Dharmas and Rinpcohe felt that how fortunate he was to have taken refuge in a person with such qualities.
21 Mar 19, 10:17 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A15: Tsem Rinpoche's faith in Geshe-la has grown a thousand-fold after observing Geshe-la did not show any interest in the Eight Worldly Dharmas when Tsem Rinpoche shared the praise given to Geshe-la, by Kensur Rinpoche
21 Mar 19, 10:16 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A15: Rinpoche's faith in Geshe-la grew 1,000 fold is because Gesha-la displayed none of the 8 worldly concerns when Rinpoche reported to Gesha-la about it. Rinpoche felt very fortunate to have taken refuge with such a great master.
21 Mar 19, 10:16 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you Elaine
21 Mar 19, 10:15 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A15:Rinpoche's faith in Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen instantly grew and and he had no doubts because his first Guru told him to treat him as an equal.
21 Mar 19, 10:14 PM
Elaine: A15. Rinpoche's faith in Geshe-la also grew by leaps and bounds because upon being told that Kensur Rinpoche gave permission and praised Geshe-la, there was no reaction of pride. Geshe-la had no 8 wordly concerns.
21 Mar 19, 10:14 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A14. Rinpoche's faith in Kensur Rinpoche increased instantly. The way in which he gave his permission to Rinpoche to take another Guru as his Guru reflected his total lack of ego. Rinpoche was overwhelmed by this. Rinpoche remembered Kensur Rinpoche's kindness, and when he was in Gaden Monastery , he would visit Kensur Rinpoche in Sera Monastery whenever he was in India. Also, because Kensur Rinpoche had given his blessings, Rinpoche's faith in Geshela was neve r in doubt.
21 Mar 19, 10:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q15. Why did Rinpoche’s faith in Geshe-la grow a thousand-fold after informing Geshe-la about what Kensur Rinpoche said, including the praise Kensur Rinpoche had for him?
21 Mar 19, 10:13 PM
shelly tai: A 14: Rinpoche feel completely overwhelmed and his faith in Kensur Rinpoche faith grow even stronger.
21 Mar 19, 10:12 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A14: Tsem Rinpoche felt his faith in Kensur Rinpoche has grown even stronger when Kensur Rinpoche gave Tsem Rinpoche permission to study from Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen instantly. Tsem Rinpoche has never forgotten the kindness of Kensur Rinpoche and visited Kensur Rinpoche in Sera Monastery even the journey requires16 hours to take a bus reaching to Sera Monastery.
21 Mar 19, 10:12 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A14 : Rinpoche was totally and completely overwhelmed and instantly made his faith in him grow even stronger.
21 Mar 19, 10:10 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Rinpoche never forget Kensur Rinpoche's kindness for this permission. Rinpoche visited Kensur Rinpoche in Sera Monastery when he was in India, even travelling on a bus for 16 hours.
21 Mar 19, 10:10 PM
Elaine: A14 Rinpoche was very happy and his faith in Kensur Rinpoche grew even stronger.
21 Mar 19, 10:10 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A14: Rinpoche was totally and completely overwhelmed. Not only had he received permission from Kensur Rinpoche to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, but how Kensur Rinpoche gave me permission instantly made his faith in him grow even stronger
21 Mar 19, 10:09 PM
Jacinta: A14: Elated and His faith in Him grows even stronger.
21 Mar 19, 10:09 PM
yew seng: A14 Rinpoche was totally and completely overwhelmed. Not only had Rinpoche received permission from Kensur Rinpoche to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, but how Kensur Rinpoche gave Rinpoche permission instantly made his faith in him grow even stronger .
21 Mar 19, 10:09 PM
CarynW: A14: Rinpoche was overwhelmed with Kensur Rinpoche granted him permission instantly. Kensur Rinpoche had no ego about Rinpoche receiving teachings from another master as the situation was deemed very necessary.
21 Mar 19, 10:08 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A14: Rinpoche felt very humbled and grateful to have Kensur Rinpoche's permission to study with Tsultrim Gyeltsen. Rinpoche's faith in Kensur Rinpoche grew even stronger as it demonstrated how egoless was Kensur Rinpoche.
21 Mar 19, 10:08 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A14 : Rinpoche was totally and completely overwhelmed. Not only had he was received permission from Kensur Rinpoche to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, but how Kensur Rinpoche gave him permission instantly made my faith in him grow even stronger (if that was even possible!).
21 Mar 19, 10:08 PM
Elaine: Evening all.
21 Mar 19, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q14. How did Rinpoche feel after Kensur Rinpoche gave permission to study with Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen?
21 Mar 19, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Let's begin
21 Mar 19, 10:06 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor and everyone.
21 Mar 19, 10:03 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone
21 Mar 19, 10:01 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room
21 Mar 19, 10:01 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good evening Rinpoche. Good evening Choong and everyone.
21 Mar 19, 10:00 PM
yew seng: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone...
21 Mar 19, 10:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hello everyone
21 Mar 19, 10:00 PM
CarynW: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all.
21 Mar 19, 09:59 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chatroom.
21 Mar 19, 09:59 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee, Jacinta and all in chat room.
21 Mar 19, 09:58 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Rinpoche, Moderator Choong and others
21 Mar 19, 09:57 PM
Choong_Moderator: Dear Rinpoche and everyone, we will begin a chat here in 5 minutes on the blog article "How Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen changed my life" https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/me/how-geshe-tsultrim-gyeltsen-changed-my-life.html
21 Mar 19, 09:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you for your question Paulo.
21 Mar 19, 09:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Dear Paulo,

Whichever prayers that Rinpoche has kindly placed on this blog and which is made available to the public without requirement for prior initiation (a word of caution or warning is always placed for those that do require initiation), anyone can do.

In the case of Palden Lhamo, this is an early blog post which includes prayers which anyone can do without prior initiation. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/palden-lhamo.html [
21 Mar 19, 08:08 AM
Paulo Sérgio: Does the practice of Palden Lhamo that Tsen Rinpoche made available in the session of prayers and sadhanas requires initiation?
17 Mar 19, 10:44 PM
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17 Mar 19, 10:43 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Dear friends around the world,

Many people have asked how to connect with Sacred Diamond Dakini Vajra Yogini without initiation and formal commitments. I have explained how to do so here: https://bit.ly/2JjTTXp

Any form of Vajra Yogini you worship leads to the same benefit. All her forms are just her wisdom manifesting for different karmic propensities at different time periods.

Please be blessed with these beautiful pictures of Ucheyma (Severed Head Vajra Yogini) from my personal shrine. Read more on this sacred form.- https://bit.ly/2QghvhS

May you all be blessed and ascend to Kechara Paradise.

Humbly, Tsem Rinpoche https://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/2019/03/chat-1552833746.mp4
16 Mar 19, 12:21 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Joy and everyone.
16 Mar 19, 12:20 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Joy_Moderator: Do check back Q2's answer @Pastor Antoinette as some parts are missing :) ok thank you
16 Mar 19, 12:20 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Rinpoche and thank you everyone. See everyone next week!
16 Mar 19, 12:17 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. What happened when Geshe-la saw Rinpoche rearrange the altar on the day Gaden Tri Rinpoche was to visit? What did Rinpoche do and what was his thoughts?

Rinpoche climbed up to rearranged the altar to put the Dharma texts on top. Geshe-la happened to walk in while Rinpoche was doing it and saw that there were chairs strewn around, and things had been removed from the altar. There must have been 20 to 25 people around at the time. Immediately, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. Rinpoche said it was him and in front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Gaden Tri Rinpoche really was arriving very soon and Geshe-la did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to walk into the centre and see that the altar was a mess, there were chairs in the gompa, there was someone standing on chairs to arrange things, and basically everything was taken out.

Rinpoche was very embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded him and quickly put it all back. Then Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised.

Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and Rinpoche was extremely frightened, and thought, “I’ll just do whatever Geshe-la wants because he always has a reason.” Rinpoche was happy about the fact that he didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, he have never ever retaliated or spoken back to him. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
16 Mar 19, 12:15 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Shin and Pastor Antoinette, Moderator Joy, Valentina, Yee Yin and Sofi.
16 Mar 19, 12:13 PM
Valentina: Next week’s blog chat topic is

His Holiness the Dalai Lama again says it’s possible to have two Panchen Lamas

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-again-says-its-possible-to-have-two-panchen-lamas.html

See you next week!
16 Mar 19, 12:12 PM
Yee Yin: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Joy! See you guys next week!
16 Mar 19, 12:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: Please do your dedication before you go and thank you Rinpoche for your teachings through example always. Take care all and have a safe weekend!
16 Mar 19, 12:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you everyone for your participation in today's blog chat session and many things we can learn from Rinpoche exemplary here in this article.
16 Mar 19, 12:12 PM
Valentina: A5. Geshe-la happened to walk in while Rinpoche was rearranging the altar and saw that there were chairs strewn around, and things had been removed from the altar. Rinpoche had grabbed a chair from the kitchen, climbed up and rearranged the altar to put the Dharma texts on top as they were placed incorrectly as the Dharma texts were put lower and the statues higher on the altar. There must have been 20 to 25 people around at the time. Immediately, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. Rinpoche said it was him. In front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Rinpoche was so embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche. But Rinpoche quickly put it all back the way Rinpoche had found it and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. Later, they got a call that Gaden Tri Rinpoche’s arrival was going to be delayed. So Geshe-la came and said to all of them, “Actually, Dharma texts should always go on the top. Burcha was right earlier but I just did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to come in and see all that mess” and then had them quickly put it back to exactly the way Rinpoche had done it before. Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and Rinpoche was extremely frightened, and Rinpoche thought he would just do whatever Geshe-la wanted because Geshe-la always had a reason. But what Rinpoche was happy about was Rinpoche didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche have never ever retaliated or spoken back to him. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as Rinpoche could.
16 Mar 19, 12:10 PM
Joy_Moderator: (Part 2)
- Later, a call came that Gaden Tri Rinpoche’s arrival was going to be delayed. So Geshe-la came and said to all of us, “Actually, Dharma texts should always go on the top. Burcha was right earlier but I just did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to come in and see all that mess” and had them quickly put it back exactly the way Rinpoche had done it before. Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and Rinpoche frightened, thought, “I’ll just do whatever Geshe-la wants because he always has a reason.” But what Rinpoche was happy about was that he didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliated. Rinpoche have never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la and kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
- According to teachings on Guru Devotion, once you have taken refuge in a teacher, you should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them. In fact, we should not even associate with people who disparage your Guru, let alone sit and talk and gossip with them, because they can affect our practice if we are not strong enough. This is according to tantric code and the Guru Devotion teachings. 
16 Mar 19, 12:10 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What happened when Geshe-la saw Rinpoche rearrange the altar on the day Gaden Tri Rinpoche was to visit? What did Rinpoche do and what was his thoughts? (Part 1)

- Before Gaden Tri Rinpoche arrived at TDL centre, Rinpoche noticed that someone had rearranged the altar incorrectly. Someone had placed the Dharma texts lower and the statues higher on the altar.
- So Rinpoche grabbed a chair from the kitchen, climbed up and started rearranged the altar to put the Dharma texts on top. Geshe-la happened to walk in and saw that there were chairs strewn around, and things had been removed from the altar. There must have been 20 to 25 people around at the time. Immediately, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. Rinpoche said it was him and in front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche asking, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Gaden Tri Rinpoche really was arriving very soon and Geshe-la did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to walk into the centre and see that the altar was a mess, there were chairs in the gompa, there was someone standing on chairs to arrange things, and basically everything was taken out.
- Rinpoche was so embarrassed but quickly put it all back the way it was previously then he returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised.
16 Mar 19, 12:10 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. What did Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen ask Tsem Rinpoche to do in regards to Rinpoche’s adoptive mother? What happened and what was the lesson learnt?

Geshe-la told Rinpoche to call his mother and apologise, and Geshe-la insisted that Rinpoche call her and when Rinpoche asked why, Geshe-la said

“Because you don’t only look at the negative things your mother did – you have to look at the positive. You’re here. Someone fed you. Someone gave you a house. You’re here in the centre learning Dharma due to her kindness. You call her and say you’re sorry for the things you said to her and for the things you thought about her.”

And when Rinpoche called his mother and apologised to her for running away, she immediately hang up.

Years later, Rinpoche realised if Geshe-la had not made him call his mom, there is a chance he might have hung on to the pain for many years. Although the anger towards her could be justified due to the way she had treated Rinpoche, Geshe-la was teaching him how to let go and how to cut the negative karma so that he would not hurt her again in the future. Also for Rinpoche not to remain in hurt, he had to let go. This was the best counselling for emotional trauma anyone can get. You see, whether the other person lets go, admits they’re wrong or not, it is not about them.
16 Mar 19, 12:09 PM
Jacinta: Ya, thank you Moderator Joy
16 Mar 19, 12:09 PM
Jacinta: Rinpoche didn’t retaliate or having ill-will eventhough He was so embarrassed by that incident. Rinpoche has behaved as in accordance of 50 Guru Devotion.
16 Mar 19, 12:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: Main lesson is >>> - Rinpoche was happy about was that he didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliated. Rinpoche have never ever retaliated or spoken back to Geshe-la and kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
16 Mar 19, 12:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you for your complete answer Pastor Shin and Sofi
16 Mar 19, 12:07 PM
Jacinta: 5: Geshe-la was unhappy and scolded Rinpoche on the spot. In front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.”

Then, Rinpoche quickly put it all back the way It was brought the chair back to the kitchen. Rinpoche then returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. Geshe-la later came and explained that “Actually, Dharma texts should always go on the top. Burcha (That was Rinpoche’s name at that time) was right earlier but I just did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to come in and see all that mess” .
16 Mar 19, 12:07 PM
Yee Yin: @Joy, the main lesson here is to never have negative thought or retaliate our guru according to what the Guru Devotion text. Once we have taken refuge in a teacher, we should not disparage them or think negative thoughts about them.
16 Mar 19, 12:07 PM
Pastor Shin: A5. Geshe-la happened to walk in while Rinpoche was rearranging the altar and saw that there were chairs strewn around, and things had been removed from the altar. Rinpoche had grabbed a chair from the kitchen, climbed up and rearranged the altar to put the Dharma texts on top as they were placed incorrectly as the Dharma texts were put lower and the statues higher on the altar. There must have been 20 to 25 people around at the time. Immediately, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. Rinpoche said it was him. In front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Rinpoche was so embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche. But Rinpoche quickly put it all back the way Rinpoche had found it and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised. Later, they got a call that Gaden Tri Rinpoche’s arrival was going to be delayed. So Geshe-la came and said to all of them, “Actually, Dharma texts should always go on the top. Burcha was right earlier but I just did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to come in and see all that mess” and then had them quickly put it back to exactly the way Rinpoche had done it before. Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and Rinpoche was extremely frightened, and Rinpoche thought he would just do whatever Geshe-la wanted because Geshe-la always had a reason. But what Rinpoche was happy about was Rinpoche didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years Rinpoche lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche have never ever retaliated or spoken back to him. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as Rinpoche could.
16 Mar 19, 12:06 PM
Sofi: A5: Geshe-la happened to walk in while Rinpoche was re-arranging the altar and saw that there were chairs strewn around, and things had been removed from the altar. There must have been 20 to 25 people around at the time. Immediately, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. Rinpoche said it was him. In front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Rinpoche and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Gaden Tri Rinpoche really was arriving very soon and Geshe-la did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to walk into the centre and see that the altar was a mess, there were chairs in the gompa, there was someone standing on chairs to arrange things, and basically everything was taken out.

Rinpoche was so embarrassed when scolded but he quickly put it all back the way he had found the altar and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised.

Later, they got a call that Gaden Tri Rinpoche’s arrival was going to be delayed. So Geshe-la came and said to all of them, “Actually, Dharma texts should always go on the top. Burcha was right earlier but I just did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to come in and see all that mess” and then had them quickly put it back to exactly the way Rinpoche had done it before. Geshe-la was exceptionally upset at that incident with Rinpoche and he was extremely frightened, and thought, “I’ll just do whatever Geshe-la wants because he always has a reason.” But what Rinpoche was happy about he didn’t have any negative thoughts or retaliate. In the many years he had lived with Geshe-la, Rinpoche had never ever retaliated or spoken back to him. Rinpoche kept his behaviour in accordance with the Guru Devotion texts as best as he could.
16 Mar 19, 12:04 PM
Joy_Moderator: @Yee Yin what was the main lesson Rinpoche wants us to learn here in telling us this story?
16 Mar 19, 12:03 PM
Yee Yin: 5. What happened when Geshe-la saw Rinpoche rearrange the altar on the day Gaden Tri Rinpoche was to visit? What did Rinpoche do and what was his thoughts?

Ans: When Geshe-la saw Tsem Rinpoche rearranging the altar on the day Gaden Tri Rinpoche was visiting, Geshe-la manifested signs of displeasure and asked who had done it. In front of everyone, Geshe-la scolded Tsem Rinpoche and said, “Who told you to do this? I never told you to do it this way, Gaden Tri Rinpoche is coming soon.” Gaden Tri Rinpoche really was arriving very soon and Geshe-la did not want Gaden Tri Rinpoche to walk into the centre and see that the altar was a mess, there were chairs in the gompa, there was someone standing on chairs to arrange things, and basically everything was taken out.

Tsem Rinpoche was so embarrassed when Geshe-la scolded Tsem Rinpoche. But Tsem Rinpoche quickly put it all back the way Tsem Rinpoche had found it and brought the chair back to the kitchen. Then Tsem Rinpoche returned to Geshe-la and made three prostrations and apologised.
16 Mar 19, 12:02 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes we do need the blessings from our first Guru, that is important @Pastor Antoinette :)
16 Mar 19, 12:01 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. What did Tsem Rinpoche had to do in order to receive teachings from Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen and why?

As per the teachings on Guru Devotion, Rinpoche needed to ask my first Guru for permission to be the student of Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, and so Rinpoche called up Kensur Rinpoche in New Jersey for permission. If Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin-la had said no, Rinpoche would not have stayed. We need the blessings of our guru for any spiritual pursuits. If we cannot study with our teacher for good reasons and we go to another teacher, we need the blessings of our first teacher, otherwise we will not gain attainments or higher consciousness.
16 Mar 19, 12:01 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Valentina :)
16 Mar 19, 12:00 PM
Valentina: ANS 4: Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen requested Rinpoche to contact his mother and apologize. Although Rinpoche was initially reluctant, he did it. Although in the end his adoptive mother hang up on him.

Geshe la advised Rinpoche to do to cut off the negative karma so in the future Rinpoche would not hurt his mother and for Rinpoche to heal
16 Mar 19, 11:59 AM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What happened when Geshe-la saw Rinpoche rearrange the altar on the day Gaden Tri Rinpoche was to visit? What did Rinpoche do and what was his thoughts?
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