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24 Jul 19, 09:26 AM
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23 Jul 19, 07:12 AM
Choong: Dear JMY,

Enlightened beings are beyond the 3 poisons (Ignorance, Desire, Repulsion or Hate/Anger) hence there is in no way any possibility of Buddhas to be displeasured about us not making offerings when we cannot.

However, on our side, from the point of view of being on the path of mind transformation towards enlightenment, a daily practice such as making offerings would serve as a daily reminder, rehearsal and habit that provides us with the fuel to continue on our journey. So it would be good to continue making daily material offerings if you can, but if not, maybe you could visualize the offerings instead and offer them up to the Buddhas. Another way is to use clean China from your hotel to make offerings, that would be fine too. Namaste.
22 Jul 19, 02:37 PM
JMY: I have another question. See if you set up an altar and start doing offering and chanting, occasionally you need to go away for holidays e.g two weeks. how do you still do such offering? although chnating is possible. Will Buddha be crossed with me and punish me for not doing offering everyday? I try to be doing such practices when it is possible but i realise there are times i might not be able to do so. therefore, I wonder if my action can invoke displeasure from Buddha?
22 Jul 19, 02:33 PM
JMY: Hi Pastor Shin,
22 Jul 19, 01:29 PM
Pastor Shin: Hi jmy,
Welcome to the blog chat. Yes, it is possible for an unblessed statues to be occupied by negative being. It is a common practice among Buddhists, when inviting Buddha statues home, to have the statues blessed or consecrated at the temple to transform an image made up of four elements to be a holy object.

One can request a monk or a Buddhist pastor to perform a consecration ritual in one’s home. H.E. Tsem Rinpoche has also kindly shared much information about how to bless Buddha statue yourself.

You can read more here: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/prayers-and-sadhanas/how-to-bless-buddha-images-yourself.html
22 Jul 19, 06:10 AM
jmy: when we purchase a Buddha statue, does it have to be blessed? I heard stories that unblessed statues can be occupied by negative energy. Can you please advise?
20 Jul 19, 12:19 PM
Callista: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastors and everyone
20 Jul 19, 12:18 PM
Callista: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV4VAQgt4Bs
20 Jul 19, 12:16 PM
Jacinta: 😀
20 Jul 19, 12:16 PM
Jacinta: Have a good weekend and thank you to Rinpoche, Pastors and others. See you and chat soon
20 Jul 19, 12:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta too... and see you next week :)
20 Jul 19, 12:15 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank Stella... nice to see you here regularly :)
20 Jul 19, 12:15 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Moderator Joy
20 Jul 19, 12:15 PM
Sean: Thanks for the weekly warm welcome @Joy
20 Jul 19, 12:14 PM
Valentina: Next Saturday’s blog chat topic is

Miyolangsangma, the Goddess of Inexhaustible Giving


https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/miyolangsangma-the-goddess-of-inexhaustible-giving.html



See you on Saturday
20 Jul 19, 12:14 PM
Stella: Thank you, Rinpoche, Joy and everyone.
20 Jul 19, 12:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sean and see you again next week :)
20 Jul 19, 12:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you everyone for joining our weekly blog chat... we have come to an end. Please do your dedications for those who have to go off and be safe. Have a good blessed weekend! :D
20 Jul 19, 12:13 PM
Sean: Thanks everyone for answering my questions, I learned a lot from this. Really helpful for me to understand more about the Tibetan situation. Personally I find Dalai Lama is a highly intelligent man. I'm not really Buddhist so I don't think he's a god or anything like that but I can appreciate how much wisdom he has. For someone so wise I don't think he will carelessly rely on one spirit and then ban another unless he has a really good reason. I don't find him to be hypocritical so when he acts in a hypocritical way, I find it quite suspicious and not to be taken on face value.
20 Jul 19, 12:13 PM
Valentina: ANS 5: Swiss TV travelled to India to interview various monks who served as the Dalai Lama’s bodyguard during his escape into exile. One of the monks interviewed was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who was instructed to seek advice from Dorje Shugden via the 6th Panglung Oracle. It was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who attended the trance and asked Dorje Shugden if the Dalai Lama should leave or remain in Tibet, and if there was any danger to his life. Dorje Shugden told Changtso Lobsang Yeshe that His Holiness the Dalai Lama should leave immediately, and specified which route to take. It is thanks to this advice that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alive today.
20 Jul 19, 12:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What other evidence is there proving that it was Dorje Shugden who gave the advice for Dalai Lama to leave Tibet?

- One of the monks interviewed on Swiss TV was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who was instructed to seek advice from Dorje Shugden via the 6th Panglung Oracle.
- Changtso Lobsang Yeshe attended the trance and asked Dorje Shugden if the Dalai Lama should leave or remain in Tibet, and if there was any danger to his life. Dorje Shugden told Changtso Lobsang Yeshe that His Holiness the Dalai Lama should leave immediately, and specified which route to take. It is thanks to this advice that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alive today.
20 Jul 19, 12:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta
20 Jul 19, 12:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: Is there a link you wanted to share for us to see Callista? >>> See how deeply saddened this Sera monk is as he recalls that journey and reflects on the Dalai Lama’s current ban on Dorje Shugden
20 Jul 19, 12:11 PM
Callista: ya
20 Jul 19, 12:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: You mean this thangka that was carried by the Dalai Lama, Callista? https://www.dorjeshugden.com/letters/nathang-1.jpg
20 Jul 19, 12:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: This is a very good answer from Valentina to Sean's question... thank you Val >>> "The Dalai Lama may seem to be relying on Neychung to most people, but actually, he is being kind and let him serve him. If it is another spirit like Nyatrul who entered the Neychung oracle, I sincerely believe that the Dalai Lama knows about this, but goes along with his wrong advice for a bigger purpose".
20 Jul 19, 12:09 PM
Callista: A5:The Dalai Lama escaped and was accompanied by an entourage of 30 monks from Sera Monastery. To this day, these Sera monks remember that the Dalai Lama had consulted Dorje Shugden and been advised to leave Tibet when he did. They also remember that the Dalai Lama carried this particular Dorje Shugden thangka. See how deeply saddened this Sera monk is as he recalls that journey and reflects on the Dalai Lama’s current ban on Dorje Shugden
20 Jul 19, 12:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Stella and Yee Yin for your answer for Q5
20 Jul 19, 12:07 PM
Jacinta: 5. What other evidence is there proving that it was Dorje Shugden who gave the advice for Dalai Lama to leave Tibet? A5: Swiss TV travelled to India to interview various monks who served as the Dalai Lama’s bodyguard during his escape into exile. One of the monks interviewed was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who was instructed to seek advice from Dorje Shugden via the 6th Panglung Oracle. It was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who attended the trance and asked Dorje Shugden if the Dalai Lama should leave or remain in Tibet, and if there was any danger to his life. Dorje Shugden told Changtso Lobsang Yeshe that His Holiness the Dalai Lama should leave immediately, and specified which route to take. It is thanks to this advice that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alive today.
20 Jul 19, 12:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Correct you said it Callista: So is really illogical to ban Dorje Shugden practice. Why? The one who save HHDL is Dorje Shugden not Nechung. The evidence is documented.
20 Jul 19, 12:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Sean yes I agree with you, there is a higher purpose for the Dalai Lama perhaps, but it is strange that many people cannot think logically or even care to investigate further and instead of being kind and "Buddhist", most behave unkindly and like to just blame and discriminate Shugden practitioners.
20 Jul 19, 12:05 PM
Callista: So is really illogical to ban Dorje Shugden practice. Why? The one who save HHDL is Dorje Shugden not Nechung. The evidence is documented.
20 Jul 19, 12:04 PM
Yee Yin: 5. What other evidence is there proving that it was Dorje Shugden who gave the advice for Dalai Lama to leave Tibet?
Ans: Another source that says it was Dorje Shugden who gave the advice for the Dalai Lama to leave Tibet is the autobiography of Zasep Rinpoche. In his book, he also narrated how Dorje Shugden had given clear instructions on what to do and which route to take to escort the Dalai Lama out from Tibet to India. His account is no different from what Trijang Rinpoche had mentioned as well.

You may follow this link to read what Zasep Rinpoche said https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/zasep-rinpoche-speaks-plainly-about-dorje-shugden.html.
20 Jul 19, 12:04 PM
Stella: Ans 5: Another evidence :: Swiss TV travelled to India to interview various monks who served as the Dalai Lama’s bodyguard during his escape into exile. One of the monks interviewed was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who was instructed to seek advice from Dorje Shugden via the 6th Panglung Oracle. It was Changtso Lobsang Yeshe who attended the trance and asked Dorje Shugden if the Dalai Lama should leave or remain in Tibet, and if there was any danger to his life. Dorje Shugden told Changtso Lobsang Yeshe that His Holiness the Dalai Lama should leave immediately, and specified which route to take. It is thanks to this advice that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alive today.
20 Jul 19, 12:04 PM
Jacinta: Hahaha... Quite right quite right.
20 Jul 19, 12:03 PM
Sean: If I'm not mistaken, Dorje Shugden also arose because Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen was murdered. Everyone blames Dorje Shugden but no one says anything about the Tibetan government always murdering people here and there #facepalm
20 Jul 19, 12:03 PM
Callista: This the question always playing in the many people mind
20 Jul 19, 12:03 PM
Callista: Thanks Jacinta and Valentina for clarification
20 Jul 19, 12:03 PM
Sean: @Valentina. Thank you, I guess that kind of makes sense. I just briefly read the article and my thought was maybe it's the karma of the government to suffer Nyatrul's wrong prophecies because they murdered him. How come the Tibetan government is always murdering people?!
20 Jul 19, 12:01 PM
Valentina: Dear Sean I believe the Dalai Lama is the emanation of Buddha of compassion, Chenrezig. It means, he has omniscience and is born among us to benefit and spread the Dharma. The Dalai Lama may seem to be relying on Neychung to most people, but actually, he is being kind and let him serve him. If it is another spirit like Nyatrul who entered the Neychung oracle, I sincerely believe that the Dalai Lama knows about this, but goes along with his wrong advice for a bigger purpose -> maybe to show us that Dorje Shugden is giving accurate advice and is a potent protector. >> Sean: I thought the Dalai Lama relies on Neychung. How can something else go inside the oracle and why would the Dalai Lama listen to him then?
20 Jul 19, 12:00 PM
Sean: @Joy "Why on earth would you still want to rely on a spirit you are not sure of? And then they go and ban and discriminate and falsely accused Dorje Shugden to be a spirit? Very weird." - I think there must be some kind of political motivation for this. Cannot be that see sua Dalai Lama just ban like that without any cause or good reason.
20 Jul 19, 12:00 PM
Jacinta: Ya, I've thought about that before. If, let's say if the Nyatrul really enters the oracle, I would say that the oracle is at fault. He might not be 'clean' and hence opens up himself for harmful channeling such as entering of the spirit Nyatrul. But then, one will be curious, why His Holiness didn't know?

Since, we believe H.H Dalai Lama is Avalokiteshvara, then there's only one thing in mind where His Holiness is trying to show us that practicing Dharma also need to have logic and be conscious with what we practice and believe in. Buddha has even said, don't believe everything we that we see or hear. His holiness might perhaps trying to show us that we should find our own path and always be alert in practicing genuine. He is showing that even high Lama could be wrong.
20 Jul 19, 11:59 AM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Callista welcome to our blog chat :) Yes that is a very good question from Sean
20 Jul 19, 11:58 AM
Callista: Good morning Rinpoche, Pastors and everyone
20 Jul 19, 11:58 AM
Callista: A4: There are in fact many people who think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. I also have the same thinking as Sean. His Holiness Dalai Lama (HHDL) is known as emanation of Chenrenzig, How can HHDL don't know that is Nyatrul the one giving advice instead of Nechung
20 Jul 19, 11:57 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sofi
20 Jul 19, 11:56 AM
Joy_Moderator: This will be our final question for this blog chat 5. What other evidence is there proving that it was Dorje Shugden who gave the advice for Dalai Lama to leave Tibet?

20 Jul 19, 11:55 AM
Joy_Moderator: 4. It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think?

- Many people believe and and think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself.
- This could possibly be true but one thing is for sure, Nechung Oracle in 1951 sent the Dalai Lamaback into a dangerous and tumultuous Lhasa, while Dorje Shugden’s advice in 1959 carried the Dalai Lama to safety.
- Another good point is that it cannot be Nechung because It is possible because Nechung who was subdued by Guru Rinpoche sworn to protect the Dharma and hence he will not give advice to His Holiness that will put his life in danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:54 AM
Sofi: A4: There are many people who think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. I think that it could just be Nyatrul as every advise given was to harm the Tibetan government, exacting the revenge for killing him in innocence. It is possible if the Oracle was remiss in his practice or has wrong motivations.
20 Jul 19, 11:52 AM
Joy_Moderator: Anyone can try and help Sean? >>>How can something else go inside the oracle and why would the Dalai Lama listen to him then?
20 Jul 19, 11:52 AM
Joy_Moderator: Pastor Lanse... would you like to answer Sean's question? >>> How can something else go inside the oracle and why would the Dalai Lama listen to him then?
20 Jul 19, 11:52 AM
Valentina: ANS 4: I don't believe that it is really Nechung who advised the Dalai Lama wrongly. Nechung was bound by his vows to protect the Dharma and even helped Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to arise as a powerful Dharma protector. I heard it was another spirit, Nyatrul, who took trance of the Nechung oracle.
20 Jul 19, 11:51 AM
Joy_Moderator: That is a very good question Sean >>> How can something else go inside the oracle and why would the Dalai Lama listen to him then? >>> Anyone would like to try answering Sean :) Makes us think....
20 Jul 19, 11:51 AM
P Lanse: Many people think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. I tend to agree with this hypothesis because Nechung was the one who urged Duldzin Drakpa to manifest as a special protector to guard Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings, and he also helped Tulku Drakpa to arise as a Dorje Shugden. It' s quite illogical for the same Nechung who tried to protect Lama Tsongkhapa's teachings to put the Dalai Lama in danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:49 AM
Sean: I thought the Dalai Lama relies on Neychung. How can something else go inside the oracle and why would the Dalai Lama listen to him then?
20 Jul 19, 11:49 AM
Jacinta: 4. It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think?
Some believe that it is the spirit Nyatrul and you can read more about him here https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-spirit-nyatrul-magic-mischief-and-misery.html . For me, it will be a bit hard at my level to gadge whether the oracle is genuine or otherwise. Hence, we use our logic and own conscience. We shouldn't rely heavily on the advice given by the oracle. It's the Dharma that we should listen and practice. That's also a very good lesson for us to listen and follow a Guru. That's why it's mportant that from the start we should have faith in our Guru. Once we confirmed that we have found one, then we should follow it.
20 Jul 19, 11:49 AM
Joy_Moderator: That is a good relevant point you pointed out @Chris! >>> It is possible because Nechung who was subdued by Guru Rinpoche sworn to protect the Dharma and hence he will not give advice to His Holiness that will put his life in danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:48 AM
nicholas: Q4: It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think?
A4: It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast. Some people believe that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. I would not able to tell but whoever took trance we have seen the advice from the trance I would not go for Nechung as it will be a risk to take.
20 Jul 19, 11:48 AM
Joy_Moderator: And the funny thing is... like what Pastor Jean Ai said and exactly my thoughts too... "Equally intriguing for me also is why the Tibetan leadership continue to rely on the Nechung Oracle when questions have been raised for decades regarding the accuracy of his prophecies and the authenticity of his trances." Why on earth would you still want to rely on a spirit you are not sure of? And then they go and ban and discriminate and falsely accused Dorje Shugden to be a spirit? Very weird.
20 Jul 19, 11:48 AM
Yee Yin: 4. It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think?
Ans: Some people think it was Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. It makes me wonder why is that a trained oracle allows another spirit to take trance in him and pretend to be someone else? Nechung is not reliable anymore because the advices he gives are not correct all the time.
20 Jul 19, 11:47 AM
Chris: Answer 4: There are many people who think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. It is possible because Nechung who was subdued by Guru Rinpoche sworn to protect the Dharma and hence he will not give advice to His Holiness that will put his life in danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:46 AM
Joy_Moderator: Stella you can read more about Nyatrul written by Pastor Jean Ai here >>> https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-spirit-nyatrul-magic-mischief-and-misery.html
Geshe-la told me the story of Nyatrul’s rising as a vengeful spirit and how it relates to Tagphu Pemavajra, according to the writings of H.E. Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche (who happens to be one of H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s gurus). He explained how and why Nyatrul continues to cause problems for the Tibetan leadership and, according to the workings of karma, why no one has been able to subdue him. Most of all, Geshe-la explained how it relates to the rumours that it was really Nyatrul (and not Nechung) who told His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden. From Pastor Jean Ai
20 Jul 19, 11:45 AM
Beatrix: 4. It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think? Answer: Some people believe that the Nechung oracle is taking trance of a spirit called Nyatrul, who does it out of revenge towards the Tibetan government who has wronged him.
20 Jul 19, 11:42 AM
Stella: Ans 4: Some people might think that it is Nyatrul, a vengeful spirit, who is taking trance of the Nechung Oracle instead of Nechung himself. In a way, believing in Nyatrul allows people to continue worship Nechung but accepting the mistakes at the same time. The thing about this belief is that how could a vengeful spirit able to take trance of the oracle? Is it because the oracle has not been diligent in his practice hence a vengeful spirit can “come in”? Or is it because the karma of the Tibetan people who ignite the vergence of Nyatrul? I don’t have the answer but I could only guess there had been misplaced trust when there was a ban on Dorje Shugden.
20 Jul 19, 11:39 AM
Jacinta: Yes, I agree Sean
20 Jul 19, 11:38 AM
Stella: Thanks @Sean.
20 Jul 19, 11:38 AM
Joy_Moderator: 4. It is obvious that Nechung and Dorje Shugden’s advice has huge contrast, what do some people believe regarding who is taking trance of Nechung? What do you think?
20 Jul 19, 11:38 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Stella and Jacinta for you good answers and research. Yes tsemrinpoche.com has a lot of good writings and research telling the real truth about the Dalai Lama's escape and about Dorje Shugden. And a lot of evidence to back it up. Not like what the Tibetan Leadership does... they make claims without real sources.
20 Jul 19, 11:37 AM
Valentina: ANS 3:

Nechung was caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:36 AM
Sean: Thanks Jacinta and Stella. I think this type of eyewitness accounts are very important. Hard to argue when someone who was there tells you what happened. I will read it and let you know what I think
20 Jul 19, 11:34 AM
Jacinta: Sean, I think you would like to watch this https://video.tsemtulku.com/videos/SwissTVInterview.mp4 and maybe if you have time, read the chronology given here about His Holiness withescape to India . There are facts and timeline https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-truth-about-who-saved-the-14th-dalai-lama.html
20 Jul 19, 11:33 AM
Stella: @Sean, Dorje Shugden gave advice for His Holiness to escape in 1956 and 1959. First in 1956 to form the Chushi Gangdruk group, and in 1959 giving advice for Dalai Lama to leave immediately and the specific escape route. It was documented in Changtso Lobsang Yeshe’s Affidavit you may find at the bottom of this blog post : https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/tibetan-resistance-group-chushi-gangdruk-reveals-how-dalai-lama-escaped-in-1959.html
20 Jul 19, 11:33 AM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What other advice did Nechung give that was wrong besides what was already mentioned?

- Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:31 AM
Joy_Moderator: And it is according to Sir Francis Younghusband in his book India and Tibet, first published in 1910, on page 272,
“It was, according to Kawaguchi, the explorations of the Bengali gentleman, Sarat Chandra Das, coupled with the frontier troubles which followed, that changed the attitude of the Tibetans towards us. The two events had not the slightest connection with one another, but the Tibetans seemed to have been alarmed that the harmless journeying of Sarat Chandra Das in 1881 was a deliberate design on our part to subvert their religion. As to the frontier troubles—presumably those of 1886—Kawaguchi himself says that it was the Tibetan Government who “most indiscreetly adopted measures at the instance of a fanatic Nechung (oracle), and proceeded to build a fort at a frontier place which strictly belonged to Sikkim.”“
20 Jul 19, 11:30 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Stell, Jacinta, Nic, Yee Yin and Sofi for your correct answers :)
20 Jul 19, 11:29 AM
Joy_Moderator: Sean: I mean, 1959 is not so long ago, there must be some kind of proof or something right. Someone who escaped with Dalai Lama must still be alive. >>> Yes there is as Stella mentioned, another statement from a witness from 1951: “In a sincere interview for the project with Lobsang Monlam, who was a member of the Chushi Gangdruk, Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the PLA.”
20 Jul 19, 11:29 AM
Sofi: A3: Amongst many other occasions, Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:28 AM
Yee Yin: 3. What other advice did Nechung give that was wrong besides what was already mentioned?
Ans: Amongst many other occasions, Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:27 AM
nicholas: Q3: What other advice did Nechung give that was wrong besides what was already mentioned?
A3: Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
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20 Jul 19, 11:27 AM
Jacinta: 3. What other advice did Nechung give that was wrong besides what was mentioned?A3: Amongst many other occasions, Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:27 AM
Stella: Ans 3: Besides what was mentioned, Nechung has been caught on the wrong side of helping Tibet as far back as 1886, when Nechung gave wrong advice and provoked India and the British colonists by instructing Tibetans to build a fort on Sikkimese (Indian) soil.
20 Jul 19, 11:25 AM
Sean: I mean, 1959 is not so long ago, there must be some kind of proof or something right. Someone who escaped with Dalai Lama must still be alive.
20 Jul 19, 11:25 AM
Sean: Thanks Stella. Is there proof that it was Dorje Shugden who told the Dalai Lama to escape? Like some kind of video or affidavit or something like that?
20 Jul 19, 11:25 AM
Stella: Agree with @Joy. From the facts gathered, it goes to show that Nechung did give advice but the advice was contrary to what later told and the advice was later proven to be NOT good for HIs Holiness.
20 Jul 19, 11:25 AM
Joy_Moderator: 3. What other advice did Nechung give that was wrong besides what was already mentioned?
20 Jul 19, 11:24 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta and Stella for helping to explain to Sean :) This also helps us in our own understanding too :)
20 Jul 19, 11:22 AM
Joy_Moderator: Sean... whatever you heard... truth is Nechung told the opposite and from this blog post there are a lot of evidence and sources quoted where the real truth is Nechung actually said that the Dalai Lama should stay back. And that would have endangered his life. The fake news is what you heard spread by the Tibetan Leadership to discriminate and discredit Dorje Shugden.
20 Jul 19, 11:22 AM
Stella: @Sean, another statement from a witness from 1951: “In a sincere interview for the project with Lobsang Monlam, who was a member of the Chushi Gangdruk, Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the PLA.”
20 Jul 19, 11:22 AM
Jacinta: I think this is the key point to note @Sean:

Following the Dalai Lama’s return to Lhasa, history shows that things worsened for the Tibetans.
20 Jul 19, 11:20 AM
Stella: @Sean, the state oracle, Nechung did give advice to His Holiness, but his advice is for Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa in 1951 is corroborated by George Patterson who found himself stuck in the midst of the PLA’s foray into Kham. His obituary, written by the British newspaper The Telegraph states,

“In 1951 Patterson was asked by the Dalai Lama’s family to plot his escape from Tibet. The Dalai Lama had been on the point of going, but yielded to entreaties that he should consult “the State Oracle” first. The State Oracle (an adviser in a state of possession) told him he had to return to Lhasa, and the escape was aborted.”
20 Jul 19, 11:20 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Who advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger?

In a sincere interview for the project with Lobsang Monlam, who was a member of the Chushi Gangdruk, said that Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the PLA.
20 Jul 19, 11:19 AM
Chris: Answer 2: Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951.
20 Jul 19, 11:19 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Jacinta, Valentina, Yee Yin and P. Lanse
20 Jul 19, 11:19 AM
P Lanse: 2. Nechung via oracle advised the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all uncertainties and sending back the Dalai Lama into danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:18 AM
Yee Yin: 2. Who advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger?
Ans: Nechung advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:17 AM
Joy_Moderator: Stella would you like to give it a try to explain to Sean? >>> Sean: Wait so now Stella is saying Neychung told Dalai Lama to go back to danger but I heard the opposite thing?
20 Jul 19, 11:17 AM
Valentina: ANS 2:

Nechung advised the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
20 Jul 19, 11:17 AM
Jacinta: 2. Who advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger? A2: It was Nechung advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa.
20 Jul 19, 11:17 AM
Joy_Moderator: Anyone wants to help explain to Sean? >>> Sean: Wait so now Stella is saying Neychung told Dalai Lama to go back to danger but I heard the opposite thing?
20 Jul 19, 11:16 AM
Joy_Moderator: No @Sean... see my question 2, its answer will explain a lot... Nechung actually said the opposite...
20 Jul 19, 11:16 AM
Jacinta: 1. Who advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group? What were they called and why were they formed? A1: Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. This guerrilla group were called Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’).The men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet, came together and trained for many years before H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama’s escape in 1959.
20 Jul 19, 11:15 AM
Sofi: A2: Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the PLA.
20 Jul 19, 11:15 AM
Joy_Moderator: Hello good morning Jacinta :) nice to see you here
20 Jul 19, 11:15 AM
Sean: Wait so now Stella is saying Neychung told Dalai Lama to go back to danger but I heard the opposite thing?
20 Jul 19, 11:15 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Stella... you are right!
20 Jul 19, 11:14 AM
Sean: @Joy_Moderator I was told someone called Neychung or something like that told the Dalai Lama to leave. Is that true?
20 Jul 19, 11:13 AM
nicholas: Q2: Who advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger?
A2: Nechung advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger.
20 Jul 19, 11:13 AM
Jacinta: Good morning Rinpoche,Pastors, Moderator and others
20 Jul 19, 11:13 AM
Stella: Ans 2: Nechung is clearly described advising the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa from Dromo in 1951 amidst all these uncertainties with the PLA. Following the Dalai Lama’s return to Lhasa, history shows that things worsened for the Tibetans. The PLA unleashed land reform in full force throughout Eastern Kham and Amdo. Rebellions erupted and spread into Western Kham and Ü-Tsang (central Tibet).
20 Jul 19, 11:11 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Who advised H.H. the Dalai Lama to return to Lhasa, sending H.H. back into danger?
20 Jul 19, 11:11 AM
Joy_Moderator: Oh really what did you hear Sean? Do share :)
20 Jul 19, 11:10 AM
Stella: Thanks Joy for the pointer.
20 Jul 19, 11:10 AM
Stella: Ans 1: In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. This guerrilla group came to be known as Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and the men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet. They were formed to escort His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama on his historic escape to India. After ensuring that His Holiness was safely in exile, they turned around and went back into Tibet where they continued to stave off Chinese incursions for many years.
20 Jul 19, 11:10 AM
Sean: That's not what I heard though. I was told someone else gave that advice for Dalai Lama to escape
20 Jul 19, 11:09 AM
Sean: Oh I missed out the part about the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden
20 Jul 19, 11:09 AM
Valentina: ANS 1:
In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. This guerrilla group was called Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’). They were formed to ensure the Dalai Lama's safety when he escaped from Tibet to India.
20 Jul 19, 11:09 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Lanse
20 Jul 19, 11:08 AM
P Lanse: 1. The Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group, known as Chushi Gangdruk. Their main task is to escort the Dalai Lama into exile in India.
20 Jul 19, 11:08 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sofi!
20 Jul 19, 11:08 AM
Joy_Moderator: 1. Who advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group? What were they called and why were they formed?
- The Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. 

- This guerrilla group were called Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and the men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet, came together and trained for many years before H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama’s fateful escape in 1959. This is the reason why they were formed.

20 Jul 19, 11:08 AM
Sofi: A1: In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. This guerrilla group came to be known as Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and the men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet, came together and trained for many years to scorted His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama on his historic escape to India, in 1959.
20 Jul 19, 11:07 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Yee Yin and Nicholas
20 Jul 19, 11:06 AM
nicholas: Q1: 1. Who advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group? What were they called and why were they formed?
A1: In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. They were called as Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and the men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet, came together and trained for many years before that fateful escape in 1959. They were form to escorted His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama on his historic escape to India.
20 Jul 19, 11:06 AM
Joy_Moderator: Very good try Sean and yes correct Chris. Stella, you missed out why they were form.
20 Jul 19, 11:06 AM
Yee Yin: 1. Who advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group? What were they called and why were they formed?
Ans: In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. They were called Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’). They were formed to escort the Dalai Lama to escape from Tibet in 1959.
20 Jul 19, 11:05 AM
Stella: Ans 1: In the early 1950s, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. This guerrilla group came to be known as Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and the men in this group, mostly from the Kham region of eastern Tibet.
20 Jul 19, 11:05 AM
Sofi: Good morning Rinpoche. Good morning Joy and everyone
20 Jul 19, 11:05 AM
Chris: Answer 1: The Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden took trance of the famous Panglung Oracle and advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group. They are known as Chushi Gangdruk (meaning ‘Four Rivers, Six Ranges’) and in 1959, they famously escorted His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama on his historic escape to India. After ensuring that His Holiness was safely in exile, they turned around and went back into Tibet where they continued to stave off Chinese incursions for many years.
20 Jul 19, 11:04 AM
Sean: I'm going to guess they were called Chushi Gangdruk and based on the article title, they somehow helped the Dalai Lama to escape from somewhere? Tibet?
20 Jul 19, 11:02 AM
Joy_Moderator: First question is... 1. Who advised a group of Tibetans to form a guerrilla fighting group? What were they called and why were they formed?
20 Jul 19, 11:02 AM
Joy_Moderator: Hello everyone... welcome to our weekly Saturday blog chat. We will start our blog chat session. Topic for today is... Tibetan Resistance group Chushi Gangdruk reveals how Dalai Lama escaped in 1959

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/tibetan-resistance-group-chushi-gangdruk-reveals-how-dalai-lama-escaped-in-1959.html
20 Jul 19, 11:01 AM
Sean: Interesting topic...who are the Chushi Gangdruk?
20 Jul 19, 11:01 AM
Stella: Good morning, Rinpoche and everyone
20 Jul 19, 11:01 AM
Yee Yin: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone!
20 Jul 19, 10:59 AM
Sean: Hi everyone
20 Jul 19, 07:51 AM
Michael: Hi
20 Jul 19, 06:34 AM
Joy_Moderator: Today’s Blog chat topic is… Tibetan Resistance group Chushi Gangdruk reveals how Dalai Lama escaped in 1959 https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/tibetan-resistance-group-chushi-gangdruk-reveals-how-dalai-lama-escaped-in-1959.html
18 Jul 19, 11:13 PM
Jacinta: Good night Rinpoche
18 Jul 19, 11:13 PM
Callista: Good night and thanks Rinpoche, PHN and everyone
18 Jul 19, 11:12 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Moderator and others
18 Jul 19, 11:11 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastors and all. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead.
18 Jul 19, 11:11 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Choong and everyone. Goodnight.
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
yin ping: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
CC: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone,.Good night.
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all. Good night.
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): Thank you and goodnight Rinpoche, BODS, Pastors ,Choong and everyone :)
18 Jul 19, 11:10 PM
Choong_Moderator: You all have understood this article well. Nice. Thank you and please do your dedications.
18 Jul 19, 11:09 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you RInpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room. Good night and see you all next week.
18 Jul 19, 11:08 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): People staying in Shambala can live a very long life, which i think Shambala is a Supreme Emanation Body
18 Jul 19, 11:07 PM
CC: Yes
18 Jul 19, 11:07 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Interesting question Choong - I think Shambala is a supreme emanation body due to the pureness and the energy form that is prevalent in Shambala as described in RInpoche's blog on Shambala.
18 Jul 19, 11:06 PM
yew seng: A7) The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:06 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: The key difference between emanation and reincarnation is the emanation forms can be existed at the same time and same plane concurrently but the reincarnation form can only occur after the former self has left the earthly plane.
18 Jul 19, 11:06 PM
Soon Huat1: Thank You Rinpoche. Thank You Pastor Han Nee, Choong and chat room. It is profound topic for blog chat or discussion
18 Jul 19, 11:06 PM
Callista: I am not sure Choong
18 Jul 19, 11:05 PM
Choong_Moderator: Do you think Shambhala is a Supreme Emanation Body?
18 Jul 19, 11:05 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
18 Jul 19, 11:05 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7: Reincarnation - it happens when the self leaves its earthly form. Emanation - "old" and "new" self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: Milarepa took on the form of a flower when he saw Padampa Sangye approaching. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body that can be recognized by a highly attained master. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form but before Milarepa could conclude about Padampa Sangye, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: Or in other words, for reincarnation to occur, the former self must "dissolve".
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
CC: A7.The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
Soon Huat1: A7. The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:04 PM
CarynW: A7: The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A7.The key difference is that for a reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A7.The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
Callista: A7:Key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
Jacinta: A7: The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
yew seng: A6) One of the most well known is the story of the first meeting between the great Indian Master, Padampa Sangye and Milarepa, the accomplished Tibetan yogi. Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities.When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:03 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A6.When Milarepa first saw the great Indian Master Padampa Sangye approaching, he took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. When Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form, Milarepa was about to conclude that others had overestimated the master. However, to his shock, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up!
18 Jul 19, 11:02 PM
yin ping: A7: The key difference is that for reincarnation to occur, the former self must leave the earthly plane. By contrast, the concept of emanation allows for concurrency and multiplicity; the ‘old’ self and ‘new’ self can exist side by side
18 Jul 19, 11:02 PM
Callista: A6: Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities.

When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:02 PM
CC: A6. Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities. When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:02 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question. Q7. What is the key difference between emanation and reincarnation?
18 Jul 19, 11:01 PM
Soon Huat1: A6. When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:01 PM
Callista: A5:The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 11:00 PM
Jacinta: A6: Milarepa heard of the Padampa Sangye master would be coming to Tibet, hence he decided to test his abilities.

When Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: :)
18 Jul 19, 11:00 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6: The most well known story is that when Milarepa saw Padampa Sangye approaching, he took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 11:00 PM
CarynW: A6: When Milarepa saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 10:59 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities. When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 10:58 PM
yin ping: A6: Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities.

When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 10:58 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A6.One of the most well known is the story of the first meeting between the great Indian Master, Padampa Sangye and Milarepa, the accomplished Tibetan yogi. Milarepa had heard of the master and when he learned that he would be coming to Tibet, decided to test his abilities.

When he saw Padampa Sangye approaching, Milarepa took on the form of a flower. It was no ordinary flower but a Supreme Emanation Body, one which the visiting master would only recognise if he was truly on the path to enlightenment. Padampa Sangye walked right past Milarepa in the flower form. However, before Milarepa could conclude that others had overestimated the master, he received a kick as Padampa Sangye asked him to stand up.
18 Jul 19, 10:58 PM
CC: A5.The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:58 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: There are 2 kinds of emanation bodies where the first is the Ordinary Emanation Body that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second emanation body is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings with pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:57 PM
Jacinta: A5: The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:57 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. Narrate the most well know story about the first meeting between the great Indian Master Padampa Sangye and Milarepa.
18 Jul 19, 10:57 PM
yew seng: A5) there are two forms of emanations.The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:57 PM
shelly tai: A5: The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:57 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. One is the Ordinary Emanation Body, the form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The other is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
yin ping: A5: The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.

18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A5: The 2 are Ordinary Emanation (easily perceived by any one) and Supreme Emanation (only visible to those with pure karma).
18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
Jacinta: Noted
18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
Soon Huat1: A5. The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:56 PM
CarynW: A5: The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:55 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A5.The two forms of emanations.
The first is the Ordinary Emanation Body. This is a form that may be perceived by anyone, animal or human. The second is the Supreme Emanation Body, which can only be seen by beings that have pure karma.
18 Jul 19, 10:55 PM
Choong_Moderator: @CC, we must have create the causes in our previous lives.
18 Jul 19, 10:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q5. What are the 2 kinds of emanation bodies?
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