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22 Sep 20, 04:28 AM
Pastor Antoinette: Hi Kakuzu, It is more than one wealth deity. Thank you.
21 Sep 20, 01:03 PM
Kakuzu: So wishfulfilling chakra uses several wealth deities? Or just one? Which is? Thanks Pastor Antoinette
20 Sep 20, 09:28 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Welcome to the blog of H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. The wishfulfilling chakra is as follows: "A traditional Tibetan Buddhist amulet containing the essence, power and wish-fulfilling energies of the enlightened wealth deities. Handmade and consecrated by monks, the Wish-Fulfilling chakra also bestows powerful protection, increases positive energies, and helps overcome life's challenges." https://www.vajrasecrets.com/wishfulfilling-chakra

The Dorje Shugden chakra is: "A traditional Tibetan Buddhist amulet containing the essence, power and wish-fulfilling energies of the enlightened Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden. Handmade and consecrated by monks, the Dorje Shugden chakra also bestows powerful protection, healing and positivity, and helps remove obstacles and interferences." https://www.vajrasecrets.com/dorje-shugden-chakra
20 Sep 20, 09:26 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Hello Kakuzu,
20 Sep 20, 09:09 PM
Kakuzu: Is wishfulfilling chakra same as Dorje Shugden Chakra? or should i get both?
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: See you next week Pastor Antoinette
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Jacinta and good night! :)
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Valentina and everyone. See you next week.
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: You too Fong. Thank you!
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Jacinta: Thank You for moderating Valentina. Thank you and good night to Rinpoche and everyone here.
20 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you for participating Joy - see you next week
20 Sep 20, 09:05 PM
Fong: Thank you, Rinpoche, Valentina_moderator, room
20 Sep 20, 09:05 PM
Joy: Have a good evening all. Thank you dear Guru for this instructions to be on blog chat to learn and expand our mind! Sarva Mangalam! See u all next Sunday 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
20 Sep 20, 09:05 PM
Valentina_moderator: Yes Joy :)
20 Sep 20, 09:04 PM
Joy: Loden Sherab's relationship with Setrap and the event where Loden Sherab tested to see if Setrap was enlightened was what struct me most because he wasn't just a great translator... they are both great enlightened beings who later became/incarnated as Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, who arose as the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden. So if you can connect the dots carefully, then you will know how this all brings us back to His Eminence the 25th Kyabje Tsem Rinpoche and our connection!
20 Sep 20, 09:02 PM
Valentina_moderator: We have now come to the end of our chat session.. It was a great chatting with you and I hope we all learn from this chat session :). Don't forget to do your dedication and chat with you again next week :D
20 Sep 20, 09:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work? What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?

ANS 6

Loden Sherab's most notable writing was the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.

Loden Sherab's last instruction to his closest students was of the impermanence of our current physical bodies. To us now, our bodies seem to be sturdy as a mountain but in fact, they are easily lost like a bubble bursting. He urged them to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine).
20 Sep 20, 09:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fong - that is very important. To willingly leave all the comfort and familiar surroundings and to study well and work hard for the benefit of numerous people, really says a lot about Loden Sherab and his great level of compassion
20 Sep 20, 08:58 PM
Fong: In your opinion, which event/ deed in Loden Sherab's life that is most impactful for you?
- the fact that he and his 5 travelling companions had tremendous hardships travelling from Tibet to India
- having to spend years away from home, comfort and familiar surroundings
- to learn a new language, Saskrit, well
- to be able to translate Indian masters' works accurate which is no mean task
- and understanding it so well as to be able to not only translate but actually gain insights from the translations to be able to teach and
- compose an important work such as Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.
- these translations and composed texts are so clear and precise that they form an important part of modern Tibetan Buddhism
20 Sep 20, 08:58 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy :)
20 Sep 20, 08:58 PM
Valentina_moderator: I agree Jacinta. Accurate translation is very important to give correct understanding to future generations :) - Jacinta: For me, I think it's the translation of the texts. Because of the correct and precise translation, there are many teachings being preserved now.
20 Sep 20, 08:57 PM
Joy: 6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work? What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?

> Loden Sherab was not only famous for his translation works but also for composing texts too, the most notable being the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.

> His last advice/instruction to his close students was of the impermanence of our current physical bodies. To us now, our bodies seem to be sturdy as a mountain but in fact, they are easily lost like a bubble bursting. He urged them to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine). And what a coincidence I came across this quote from Rinpoche just now "Nothing is owned by us. Everything will be given, taken, lost, abandoned or forgotten in the end. We came into our current lifetimes with nothing and no matter how much we accumulate, we leave with nothing. So wouldn’t it be wise that in between, we develop no real attachments or put so much emphasis on the material?" > https://bit.ly/WeOwnNothing
20 Sep 20, 08:57 PM
Valentina_moderator: One very important deed is the translation of 137000 verses. - Yes Pastor Antoinette - due to Loden Sherab's hard work, many great masters in Tibet can have access to this invaluable teachings.
20 Sep 20, 08:56 PM
Jacinta: For me, I think it's the translation of the texts. Because of the correct and precise translation, there are many teachings being preserved now.
20 Sep 20, 08:55 PM
Pastor Antoinette: In your opinion, which event/ deed in Loden Sherab's life that is most impactful for you?

One very important deed is the translation of 137000 verses.
20 Sep 20, 08:53 PM
Valentina_moderator: 5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure? What was the main objective of making this offering?

ANS 5:

When Setrap manifested signs of displeasure as the Tibetan landscape was not what he was used to in India, Loden Sherab then pulled out some of his hair, recited sacred mantras and threw it to the ground. A large jungle manifested, replete with tropical animals such as elephants, tigers, peacocks and others. Such an environment is indigenous of India and was familiar to Setrap, which made him feel happy.

This offering was made not so much to appease Setrap but to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future, especially those proliferated in this monastery.
20 Sep 20, 08:52 PM
Valentina_moderator: In your opinion, which event/ deed in Loden Sherab's life that is most impactful for you? - anyone can answer this question too ya no right or wrong answer
20 Sep 20, 08:52 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette - In your opinion, which event/ deed in Loden Sherab's life that is most impactful for you?
20 Sep 20, 08:52 PM
Jacinta: Noted on that. Thank you Valentina
20 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fong
20 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work? What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?

Loden Sherab was not only famous for his translation works but also for composing texts too, the most notable being the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.

His last instruction to his closest students was of the impermanence of our current physical bodies.

Loden Sherab urged his students to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine).
20 Sep 20, 08:50 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Jacinta :) - Loden Sherab also encouraged his closest students to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine).
20 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Fong: 6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work?
- the most notable work being the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.

What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?
- the impermanence of our current physical bodies and
- to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine).
20 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Jacinta: A6. Lotsawa's most notable being the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.His last instruction to them was of the impermanence of our current physical bodies.
20 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Nicholas :)
20 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
nicholas: Q6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work? What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?
A6. Loden Sherab was not only famous for his translation works but also for composing texts too, the most notable being the Stages of the Teaching, a Lam Rim text in the tradition of Lama Atisha, covering the entirety of the path to enlightenment.
His last instruction to them was of the impermanence of our current physical bodies. To us now, our bodies seem to be sturdy as a mountain but in fact, they are easily lost like a bubble bursting. He urged them to study the Three Baskets of the Buddha’s Words, the Tripitaka, which are Vinaya (discipline), Sutra (discourses of the Buddha), and Abdhidharma (further analytical doctrine).

20 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Valentina_moderator: Those who have answered question no. 5 can proceed to no. 6 - 6. What was Loden Sherab's most notable work? What was Loden Sherab's last advice to his closest students?
20 Sep 20, 08:44 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette, Jacinta, and Joy
20 Sep 20, 08:44 PM
Valentina_moderator: I remember, Rinpoche often reminded us to maintain KFR land and when we plant many trees and flowers in KFR, it is like an offering to Dorje Shugden. But when I see many visitors today, they feel happy when they see the beautiful KFR and their mind is more open. So making KFR beautiful is also to establish protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated from KFR :).
20 Sep 20, 08:42 PM
Joy: 5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure? What was the main objective of making this offering?

> Loden Sherab pulled out some of his hair, recited sacred mantras and threw it to the ground. A large jungle manifested, replete with tropical animals such as elephants, tigers, peacocks and others. Such an environment is actually indigenous of India and was familiar to Setrap, which made him feel happy.


> This offering was made not so much to appease Setrap but to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future, especially those proliferated in this monastery.

> Interestingly, this special relationship between the lama and the protector became a recurring theme in Loden Sherab’s later incarnation as Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, who arose as the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden. This time, it was Setrap who was said to have enthroned Dorje Shugden amongst the great established Dharma Protectors like Mahakala, Palden Lhamo and so forth.
20 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Jacinta: A5. Setrap manifested displeasure as the Tibetan landscape was not what he was used to since he came from India. Hence, Lotsawa manifested a forest as an offering for Setrap. This offering was made not so much to appease Setrap but to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future.
20 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fong and Nicholas :)
20 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure? What was the main objective of making this offering?

Setrap manifested certain signs of displeasure as the Tibetan landscape was not what he was used to since he came from India.

Loden Sherab pulled out some of his hair, recited sacred mantras and threw it to the ground. A large jungle manifested, replete with tropical animals such as elephants, tigers, peacocks and others. Such an environment is actually indigenous of India and was familiar to Setrap, which made him feel happy.

The offering was done to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future, especially those proliferated in the Sangpu Neutog Monastery.

This special relationship between the lama and the protector became a recurring theme in Loden Sherab’s later incarnation as Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, who arose as the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden.
20 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Fong: 5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure?
- made an offering of forests replete with tropical animals such as elephants, tigers, peacocks and others. just like the ones from India that Setrap was used by
- pulling out some of his hair, recited sacred mantras and throwing it to the ground from which the jungle sprang.

What was the main objective of making this offering?
- it was to appease Setrap but mostly
- to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future, especially those proliferated in Sangpu Neutog Monastery
20 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
nicholas: Q5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure? What was the main objective of making this offering?
A5. Loden Sherab then pulled out some of his hair, recited sacred mantras and threw it to the ground. A large jungle manifested, replete with tropical animals such as elephants, tigers, peacocks and others. Such an environment is actually indigenous of India and was familiar to Setrap, which made him feel happy.
This offering was made not so much to appease Setrap but to create the merits necessary to establish his protective blessings for the Dharma to be proliferated into the future, especially those proliferated in this monastery.
20 Sep 20, 08:40 PM
Valentina_moderator: 4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab? How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?

ANS 4:

The abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya entrusted Setrap to Loden Sherab because he clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet.

To ascertain the nature of Setrap, Loden Sherab used his meditative powers for this purpose. As they travelled, they came across a river which they needed to cross. Loden Sherab requested Setrap to ferry him across the lake, so Setrap picked him and began to cross to the other side. As he was being carried over, Loden Sherab arose as his yidam (meaning he entered the meditative absorption of his meditational Buddha-deity) and ‘pressed down’ on Setrap with his feet. Setrap was still able to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore. This meant that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers. In fact, through his act, he showed that he has tremendous abilities to protect and provide for practitioners on the path to enlightenment.
20 Sep 20, 08:37 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin :)
20 Sep 20, 08:37 PM
Valentina_moderator: Those who have answered question no. 4 can proceed to Q5 :) - 5. What did Loden Sherab do when Setrap manifested signs of displeasure? What was the main objective of making this offering?
20 Sep 20, 08:36 PM
Pastor Shin: A4. The abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya entrusted Setrap to Loden Sherab because only Setrap manifested an answer when the abbot needed an extraordinary protector to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet. Iand was thus chosen to escort Loden Sherab.

Loden Sherab used his meditative powers for this purpose. As they travelled, they came across a river which they needed to cross. Loden Sherab requested Setrap to ferry him across the lake, so Setrap picked him and began to cross to the other side. As he was being carried over, Loden Sherab arose as his yidam (meaning he entered the meditative absorption of his meditational Buddha-deity) and ‘pressed down’ on Setrap with his feet. Setrap was still able to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore. This meant that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers. In fact, through his act, he showed that he has tremendous abilities to protect and provide for practitioners on the path to enlightenment. Unenlightened beings would not have had the strength to hold up Loden Sherab due to his meditative powers.
20 Sep 20, 08:35 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy, Pastor Antoinette, Jacinta and Nicholas
20 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
nicholas: Q4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab? How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?
A4. According to the original fulfilment liturgy (known as a ‘kangsol’ in Tibetan) dedicated to Setrap, the practice originally arose in India and was brought to Tibet by Ngok Lotsawa Loden Sherab. Just before returning to Tibet, the abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya entrusted Setrap to Loden Sherab. The abbot clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet.

Loden Sherab used his meditative powers to ascertain the nature of Setrap. As they travelled, they came across a river which they needed to cross. Loden Sherab requested Setrap to ferry him across the lake, so Setrap picked him and began to cross to the other side. As he was being carried over, Loden Sherab arose as his yidam (meaning he entered the meditative absorption of his meditational Buddha-deity) and ‘pressed down’ on Setrap with his feet. Setrap was still able to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore. This meant that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers. In fact, through his act, he showed that he has tremendous abilities to protect and provide for practitioners on the path to enlightenment.
20 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fong :). Who knows then that through the relationship between Loden Sherab and Setrap, we are now propitiating both protectors. In our Serkym to Dorje Shugden, and in our monthly Dorje Shugden puja, Setrap is mentioned several times.
20 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
Jacinta: A4. Before returning to Tibet, the abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya entrusted Setrap to Loden Sherab. The abbot clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet. To ascertain Setrap that He was indeed an enlightened being, Loden Sherab requested to be carried over the river. As Lotsawa was being carried, He manifested as Yidam and put on pressure to Setrap, however Lotsawa was carried over safely. Hence Lotsawa ascertained that Setrap was a true enlightened being.
20 Sep 20, 08:33 PM
Pastor Shin: A3. He was sent to India to study the Sanskrit language so that he can facilitate and encourage new and even more accurate translation works.
20 Sep 20, 08:33 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab? How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?

The abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya entrusted Setrap to Loden Sherab. The abbot clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet. It is said that he entered the protector chapel of his monastery and made requests for a protector who would journey with Loden Sherab. Only Setrap manifested an answer and was thus chosen to escort Loden Sherab.

Loden Sherab used his meditative powers for this purpose. As they travelled, they came across a river which they needed to cross. Loden Sherab requested Setrap to ferry him across the lake, so Setrap picked him and began to cross to the other side. As he was being carried over, Loden Sherab arose as his yidam (meaning he entered the meditative absorption of his meditational Buddha-deity) and ‘pressed down’ on Setrap with his feet. Setrap was still able to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore. This meant that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers. In fact, through his act, he showed that he has tremendous abilities to protect and provide for practitioners on the path to enlightenment. Unenlightened beings would not have had the strength to hold up Loden Sherab due to his meditative powers.
20 Sep 20, 08:32 PM
Joy: 4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab? How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?

> The abbot of the monastery in Bodhgaya clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet. He entered the protector chapel of his monastery and made requests for a protector who would journey with Loden Sherab. Only Setrap manifested an answer and was thus chosen to escort Loden Sherab.

> During Loden Sherab's journey, he tested Setrap to ascertain the nature of Setrap to see if he was enlightened or not. He used his meditative powers for this purpose. As they travelled, they came across a river which they needed to cross. Loden Sherab requested Setrap to ferry him across the lake, so Setrap picked him and began to cross to the other side. As he was being carried over, Loden Sherab arose as his yidam and ‘pressed down’ on Setrap with his feet. Setrap was still able to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore. This meant that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers.
20 Sep 20, 08:32 PM
Fong: 4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab?
- the abbot of a monastery in Bodhgaya clairvoyantly knew that an extraordinary protector was needed to safeguard the teachings as they were being transmitted into Tibet
- and made requests for a protector from the monasyery's protector chapel as to who would journey with Loden Sherab and only Setrap manifested an answer and was thus chosen to escort Loden Sherab.

How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?
- by getting Setrap to carry him on his shoulders to cross the river and
while crossing used ghis meditative powers to'press down' on Setrap with his feet and
- Setrap managed to lift him up and carry him to the far side of the shore meaning that Setrap was enlightened as he was equal to Loden Sherab’s meditative powers.
20 Sep 20, 08:31 PM
Valentina_moderator: 3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?

ANS 3:

Loden Sherab was sent to India to study the Sanskrit language in order to facilitate and encourage new and even more accurate translation works.
20 Sep 20, 08:29 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin and Pastor Antoinette :)
20 Sep 20, 08:28 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?

He was send to India to study the Sanskrit language.
20 Sep 20, 08:27 PM
Pastor Shin: A2. Loden Sherab's uncle, Ngok Lekpai Sherab, handled Loden Sherab's education for the first 17 years of his life.

Loden Sherab was the nephew of the Kadampa master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab (1018-1115 CE), who was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha.
20 Sep 20, 08:27 PM
Valentina_moderator: Those who have answered question no. 3 can proceed to question no. 4.- 4. What was the reason for entrusting Setrap to Loden Sherab? How did Loden Sherab ascertain the nature of Setrap?
20 Sep 20, 08:26 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette and Pastor Shin
20 Sep 20, 08:25 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chhhdm4wo4990.jpg - this thangka was commissioned by our Rinpoche. Loden Sherab who would later reincarnate as Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen and arose as the world peace protector Dorje Shugden was depicted with the Protector Setrap. Both of these protectors were depicted in the same mandala today
20 Sep 20, 08:25 PM
Pastor Shin: A1. Lotsawa Loden Sherab was one of the most well known translators in the Tibetan literary tradition and regarded as one of the 'Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism', a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet. Lotsawa Loden Sherab was also known as one of Dorje Shugden's previous incarnations.

The word ‘Lotsawa’ literally means ‘translator’ in the Tibetan language. It is a formal title that was given to the esteemed lama named Loden Sherab for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:25 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life? What is this master's relation with the great Indian Master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha?
[br|Loden Sherab’s education for the first 17 years of his life was handled by his uncle and in 1073 CE, his uncle founded one of the most important monastic seats of that period, Sangpu Neutog Monastery.

Loden Sherab was the nephew of the Kadampa master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab (1018-1115 CE), who was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha.
20 Sep 20, 08:23 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Nicholas and Joy
20 Sep 20, 08:23 PM
Joy: 3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?

To study the Sanskrit language so that he can be an even better and more accurate translator for the Dharma.
20 Sep 20, 08:23 PM
nicholas: Q3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?
A3. The worked mainly on the translation of treatises on logic, as it was the tradition of the day for the study of logic to be an ecumenical interest of all spiritual traditions in India.
20 Sep 20, 08:21 PM
Jacinta: 👌🏻 Moderator
20 Sep 20, 08:21 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Jacinta and Fong. Yes in addition to study the Sanskrit language, the purpose of sending Loden Sherab and his colleagues to India was to have a more accurate translation of the Indian masters work :)
20 Sep 20, 08:20 PM
Valentina_moderator: 2. Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life? What is this master's relation with the great Indian Master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha?

ANS 2:

Loden Sherab's uncle, Ngok Lekpai Sherab, handled Loden Sherab's education for the first 17 years of his life.

Ngok Lekpai Sherab was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha. Ngok Lekpai Sherab also founded one of the most important monastic seat of the period, Sangpu Neutog Monastery. The monastery was founded in fulfilment of a prophecy spoken by Atisha himself to safeguard the Kadampa lineage.

20 Sep 20, 08:20 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette
20 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Fong: 3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?
- to study Sanskrit language and have new and more accurate translattion of the works of Indian masters
20 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Jacinta: A3. To go India to study the Sanskrit language
20 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab? Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?

The word ‘Lotsawa’ literally means ‘translator’ in the Tibetan language. It is a formal title that was given to the esteemed lama named Loden Sherab for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.

He is considered one of the most renowned translators in the Tibetan literary tradition and regarded as one of the ‘Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism’, a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet
20 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy
20 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Valentina_moderator: Yes Jacinta - remember that our Rinpoche had predicted that we can built phase 2 of Kechara Forest retreat to benefit more people. We have to join force to make this happen :)
20 Sep 20, 08:18 PM
Joy: Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life?

> Loden Sherab’s education for the first 17 years of his life was handled by his uncle, great Kadam master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab.
20 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Jacinta: That's a great reminder and example Moderator.
20 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Valentina_moderator: Those who have answered question no. 2 can proceed to no. 3 :) - 3. What was the objective of sending Loden Sherab to Kashmir, India?
20 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Nicholas... Halo Pastor Antoinette
20 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Fong and Jacinta. The uncle, Ngok Lekpai Sherab was very devoted to his teacher, Atisha. He built Sangpu Neutog Monastery as the fulfillment of Atisha's prophecy. When reading this story, I realised that the fulfilment of our teacher prophecy is up to us. We have the karma to do it, but we do have to work hard for it
20 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
nicholas: Q2. Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life? What is this master's relation with the great Indian Master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha?
A2. Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life was handled by his uncle.
Loden Sherab was the nephew of the Kadampa master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab (1018-1115 CE), who was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha.
20 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Good evening Rinpoche, good evening Valentina and everyone
20 Sep 20, 08:14 PM
Fong: 2. Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life?
- his uncle and great Kadam master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab .

What is this master's relation with the great Indian Master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha?
- he was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha
20 Sep 20, 08:14 PM
Jacinta: A2. Lotsawa was handled by his uncle, a Kadampa master, Ngok Lekpai Sherab (1018-1115 CE). The uncle was one of the three foremost disciples of the great Indian master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha.
20 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Valentina_moderator: Next question... 2. Who handled Loden Sherab's education during the early years of his life? What is this master's relation with the great Indian Master, Dipamkara Srijnana Atisha?
20 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Jacinta for the answer to question no. 1
20 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab? Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?

ANS 1

Lotsawa Loden Sherab was one of the most well known translators in the Tibetan literary tradition and regarded as one of the 'Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism', a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet. Lotsawa Loden Sherab was also known as one of Dorje Shugden's previous incarnations.

Loden Sherab was given the title 'Lotsawa' which literally means 'translator' in the Tibetan language for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Jacinta: A1. Lotsawa Loden Sherab was actually Nhok Lotsawa Loden Sherab and known as one of the renowned translators and regarded as one of the ‘Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism’, a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet. It is a formal title that was given to the esteemed lama named Loden Sherab for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:10 PM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy, and welcome to the chatroom Fong :)
20 Sep 20, 08:10 PM
Joy: 1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab? Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?

> He is considered one of the most renowned translators in the Tibetan literary tradition and regarded as one of the ‘Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism’, a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet.

> He is sometimes known as Ngok Lotsawa Loden Sherab or by his pen name, Matiprajna, in certain texts; he is also known for being one of the previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden.

> It was in this lifetime that he created a powerful bond with the Dharma Protector Setrap Chen, by introducing his practice to Tibet.

> The word ‘Lotsawa’ literally means ‘translator’ in the Tibetan language. It is a formal title that was given to the esteemed lama named Loden Sherab for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:09 PM
Fong: 1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab?
- Lotsawa Loden Sherab was renown translator of Tibet.

Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?
- for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet and
- considered on of the ‘Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism’, a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:08 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening Joy Kam :)
20 Sep 20, 08:08 PM
Joy: Good evening chat room!
20 Sep 20, 08:07 PM
Valentina_moderator: Good evening Jacinta... Happy to see you here :)
20 Sep 20, 08:07 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Rinpoche and others.
20 Sep 20, 08:07 PM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-chhhdlz693233.jpg - Lotsawa Loden Sherab was one of the previous incarnations of the world peace protector Dorje Shugden
20 Sep 20, 08:06 PM
Valentina_moderator: Dear Nicholas - welcome to the chatroom :) and thank you for being the first to answer :D
20 Sep 20, 08:04 PM
nicholas: Q1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab? Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?
A1. Lotsawa Loden Sherab is considered one of the most renowned translators in the Tibetan literary tradition and regarded as one of the ‘Ten Pillars of Tibetan Buddhism’, a group of translators foundational for Buddhism’s spread in Tibet. he is also known for being one of the previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden. It was in this lifetime that he created a powerful bond with the Dharma Protector Setrap Chen, by introducing his practice to Tibet.
The word ‘Lotsawa’ literally means ‘translator’ in the Tibetan language. It is a formal title that was given to the esteemed lama named Loden Sherab for his contribution to the early dissemination of Buddhism in Tibet.
20 Sep 20, 08:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: First question - 1. Who was Lotsawa Loden Sherab? Why the title 'Lotsawa' was given to him?
20 Sep 20, 08:00 PM
Valentina_moderator: Hi everyone... let's wait for a few more minutes before we start
20 Sep 20, 07:14 PM
Valentina: Looking forward to chatting with you…

Today’s blog chat topic is

Lotsawa Loden Sherab – the Great Translator

See you!!

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=208542

18 Sep 20, 11:08 PM
Callista: Thank you and Good night Rinpoche, PHN, PAK and everyone
18 Sep 20, 11:07 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Thank you Rinpoche and everyone. Good night.
18 Sep 20, 11:07 PM
Elaine: Thank you Rinpoche 🙏. Thanks and good night everyone.
18 Sep 20, 11:06 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and all. Good night.
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
Fong: Thank you, Rinpoche, Choong_Moderator, room. Good night
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee & everyone. Good night.
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): Thank you and goodnight Rinpoche, Bods, Pastors, Choong and everyone
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
Cc: 🙏🙏🙏🙏thank you Rinpoche , Chong , Pastors and everyone.
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
yew seng: Thank you Rinpoche.. Good nite everyone.
18 Sep 20, 11:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Choong and everyone. Goodnight.
18 Sep 20, 11:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you everyone and please make your good dedication for the effort you have all put in tonight towards personal development and for the eventual benefit of all sentient beings.
18 Sep 20, 11:03 PM
Callista: Thanks Choong, I got it
18 Sep 20, 11:02 PM
Callista: Yes Choong, as you said indirectly if we have right Guru then it will speed up our mind tranformation, that is provided we practice it diligently....
18 Sep 20, 11:02 PM
Choong_Moderator: Also, as Rinpoche has also spoken about, your or a Guru need not be one who sits on a high throne and is famous and so on. It is one who you personally trust and resonate with. This will be your doctor.
18 Sep 20, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Callista and all, remember the Mahasiddhas (84) we have learned about the past many months? They all got awakened in one lifetime with the help of a Guru.
18 Sep 20, 11:00 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A10 : Therefore how you behave and act with your Guru is very different than any relationship you’ve had in the past. Therefore the relationship with your Guru is sacred. Why is it sacred? Because the most sacred achievement we can have is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out. And as you do that more, you will see your unhappiness lessen, your depressions lessen, your sense of self-depreciation, lack of appreciation and low esteem become less. Why is that? As you do more positive activities, it reinforces the positive mind. The positive activities come from your Guru.
18 Sep 20, 11:00 PM
CarynW: Because our Guru is not someone ordinary like how we treat our father, mother, boy/girlfriend, husband/wife. Our behaviour, body language and the way we interact with our Guru is a completely different relationship. Anything from our Guru lessens our delusions, if we accept. Anything towards our Guru lessens our delusions and illusions. The most sacred achievement we can have is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out.
18 Sep 20, 10:59 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Callista, to me, why we stress having a Guru (which we should check out first before regarding as our Guru) is that eventually this is THE fast track to liberation. There are other ways to learn and practise the Dharma of course.
18 Sep 20, 10:59 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A10. you should never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you. Therefore sometimes when you ignore them, sometimes when you’re angry at them, sometimes when you love them, sometimes when you’re neutral with them, it just adds to their delusions and they add to yours.
18 Sep 20, 10:58 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A10. We should never react to our Guru as we have reacted in the past to other ordinary beings we have encountered because the other beings that we have encountered are just as deluded as us. Our Guru is different. Anything from our Guru, lessens our delusions; anything towards our Guru, lessens it too. The positive activities that come from our Guru reinforces our positive mind and leads us to the most sacred achievement we can have and that is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out.
18 Sep 20, 10:57 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A9 : Therefore do not be attached to being happy which is false. There is no happiness here in samsara. Do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms, not so much what you are experiencing now. Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Callista: So in directly we can never practice right Dharma if we do not have right Guru?
18 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Fong: Q10. Why should we especially check the way we react to our Guru’s actions?
- the Guru is not an ordinary person to be treated on an ordinary level as
- it will impact others who are observing and have similar deluded minds as we do
- and thus we may feed each other's delusion
- while the Guru can lessen our delusions and illusions and thus must be placed on a sacred level
- for the transformation of our mind from a negative set of mind to a positive
- to drive the positive cycle of growth
18 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A8 : When scolded, examine why, overcome it, move on. When complimented, understand you’re on the right path, rejoice but do not be extremely happy because happy and sad arise from the same state of mind. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends
18 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Cc: A10. Your behaviour, your body language and the way you interact with your Guru is a completely different relationship than those you have had in the past. Therefore you should never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you. Therefore sometimes when you ignore them, sometimes when you’re angry at them, sometimes when you love them, sometimes when you’re neutral with them, it just adds to their delusions and they add to yours.
18 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A7 : When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy – this is the mind of a child.
18 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Elaine: @choong lol. True
18 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Callista: A10:We hould never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you. Therefore sometimes when you ignore them, sometimes when you’re angry at them, sometimes when you love them, sometimes when you’re neutral with them, it just adds to their delusions and they add to yours.
18 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q10. Why should we especially check the way we react to our Guru’s actions?

You should never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you. Therefore sometimes when you ignore them, sometimes when you’re angry at them, sometimes when you love them, sometimes when you’re neutral with them, it just adds to their delusions and they add to yours.

Anything from your Guru lessens your delusions, if you accept. Anything towards your Guru lessens your delusions and illusions. Anything from your Guru, lessens it; anything towards your Guru, lessens it. Therefore how you behave and act with your Guru is very different than any relationship you’ve had in the past. Therefore the relationship with your Guru is sacred. Because the most sacred achievement we can have is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out.
18 Sep 20, 10:53 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Elaine, non lay people can also be as deluded as lay people. LOL
18 Sep 20, 10:53 PM
yew seng: A10) The guru is not someone that you can treat on an ordinary level. Your behaviour, your body language and the way you interact with your Guru is a completely different relationship than those you have had in the past. Therefore you should never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you. Therefore sometimes when you ignore them, sometimes when you’re angry at them, sometimes when you love them, sometimes when you’re neutral with them, it just adds to their delusions and they add to yours.
18 Sep 20, 10:53 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A5 : When your mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further. At no point in your life has your mind brought you any benefits, if you think about it carefully. At no point in your life has your mind brought you long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Elaine: A10. We should not react to our Guru the same way as we react to our fellow lay people who are just as deluded as us. Our Guru's actions should help us lessen our delusions. If we react to our Guru as we would react to any other ordinary person, it would only increase our delusions.
18 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A10. Never let negative emotions and thinking and behaviours drag. Why? Your Guru is not your father, is not your mother, is not your boyfriend, is not your girlfriend, is not your wife or husband or someone that you can treat on an ordinary level.
18 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A4 : This is the farm of your mind. This is the acreage of your development. And the teachings are like seeds. You should not take the seeds and throw it away on someone else’s land and you getting no benefits. You should not plough the land, weed the land and water the land which is effort, ethics, vows, consistent effort and then nothing grows. To have the seeds and have the land, you must apply weeding, fertilisation, watering, protection from insects, birds and whatnot. And that is likened to effort, ethics, application, consistency
18 Sep 20, 10:51 PM
Cc: A9. Do not attached to happiness or sadness as it it temporary emotions and it will lead us no where.
18 Sep 20, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Final question for this evening. Q10. Why should we especially check the way we react to our Guru’s actions?
18 Sep 20, 10:51 PM
CarynW: A9. Do not be attached to happiness and sadness. The ultimate sadness is the three lower realms. Do not blow out of proportion of whatever we are experiencing and feeling. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:51 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A3 : Each year, like a farmer – a spiritual farmer – your acreage, your land should expand and become two acres, three acres, four acres, five, 10 15, 20. Whatever you learn on the first acre can be applied on the second, third and fourth. Whatever you learn on the first acreage does not need to be given new instructions for the second and third and fourth acreage. Whatever’s been given for the first, whatever formula, whatever methods, whatever teachings apply to the second and third and fourth acres.
18 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Callista: A9:Therefore do not be attached to being happy which is false. There is no happiness here in samsara. Do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms, not so much what you are experiencing now. Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:49 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9.Do not be attached to happiness and sadness , as they are not real. Whatever we’re experiencing now, whatever we’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion and do not let it drag us down. Never let negative emotions and thinking and behaviour drag us down.
18 Sep 20, 10:48 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A2 : And as the years expand, as the years grow, the acreage of your farm grows, producing beautiful vegetables and fruits and edible items. It should not be after years of receiving Dharma from your Lama by action, by words, by example, by official teachings, by kindness, by behaviour, that your farmland produces less and less and less edible items.
18 Sep 20, 10:48 PM
Callista: A8:Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:48 PM
Fong: Q9. What is Duldzin Dorje Shugden’s advice when it comes to what we experience in samsara?
- Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
- do not be attached to being happy which is false as there is no happiness in Samsara
- and do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms,
- the important point is not to let it linger, nor let it last, nor let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:48 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A1 : The vast amount of Dharma teachings that your Lama has bestowed upon you, you should be like a garden where many seeds have been planted. And as the years expand, as the years grow, the acreage of your farm grows, producing beautiful vegetables and fruits and edible items. It should not be after years of receiving Dharma from your Lama by action, by words, by example, by official teachings, by kindness, by behaviour, that your farmland produces less and less and less edible items.
18 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A9. Therefore do not be attached to being happy which is false. There is no happiness here in samsara. Do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms, not so much what you are experiencing now. Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q9. What is Duldzin Dorje Shugden’s advice when it comes to what we experience in samsara?

There is no happiness here in samsara. Do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms, not so much what you are experiencing now.
Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hi Grace, welcome...
18 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
yew seng: A9) Do not be attached to being happy which is false. There is no happiness here in samsara. Do not be attached to sadness because the ultimate sadness is the three lower realms, not so much what you are experiencing now. Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9 : Whatever you’re experiencing now, whatever you’re feeling now, do not blow it out of proportion. Do not let it linger, do not let it last, do not let it drag.
18 Sep 20, 10:46 PM
Elaine: A9. He advised us not to be attached to either happiness or sadness we are experiencing in samsara as they are false. We should not let our negative emotions drag us and others down.
18 Sep 20, 10:46 PM
Callista: A7:When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy – this is the mind of a child. When scolded, examine why, overcome it, move on. When complimented, understand you’re on the right path, rejoice but do not be extremely happy because happy and sad arise from the same state of mind. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
CarynW: A8. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind.
18 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Hi, Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in chat room. Sorry being late as handling some job issue.
18 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
yew seng: A8) Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q9. What is Duldzin Dorje Shugden’s advice when it comes to what we experience in samsara?
18 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A8. Happiness and sadness are the same state of mind as they arise from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle that never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A8 : Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A8. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Cc: A8. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q8. What is the relationship between happiness and sadness?

Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind.
Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
Fong: Q8. What is the relationship between happiness and sadness?
- because happy and sad arise from the same state of mind, the same deluded mind
18 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
Elaine: A8. Happy or sad, it's all in the mind. It is derived from the same mind which is deluded.
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Cc: A7. When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy.
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q8. What is the relationship between happiness and sadness?
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A7. A child's mind is like this - when scolded, angry; when complimented, happy.
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
CarynW: A7. When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy.
18 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q7. What is the mind of a child like?

When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy – this is the mind of a child. When scolded, examine why, overcome it, move on. When complimented, understand you’re on the right path, rejoice but do not be extremely happy because happy and sad arise from the same state of mind. Happy and sad arise from the same state of mind because it arises from the same mind, which is the deluded mind. Happiness leads to sadness, sadness leads to happiness and vice versa, on and on, and in a circle, it never ends.
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A7. Act your age. Behave your age. And develop according to the years you’ve been in Dharma and the amount of teachings you have received. Do not act like you joined Dharma a few months ago. Do not behave like you’re 15, 16, 20 years old.

When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy – this is the mind of a child. When scolded, examine why, overcome it, move on. When complimented, understand you’re on the right path, rejoice but do not be extremely happy because happy and sad arise from the same state of mind.
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Fong: Q7. What is the mind of a child like?
- When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
yew seng: A7) When scolded, angry; when complimented, happy – this is the mind of a child.
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q6. Why?

At no point in your life has your mind brought you long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Elaine: A7 The mind of a child is such that you're happy when praised and angry when scolded. Two extremes.
18 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
yew seng: A6) For most of us, our minds are not to be trusted. It has brought us sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. Time passes us by. Soon we age with a lifetime of negativity.
18 Sep 20, 10:40 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q7. What is the mind of a child like?
18 Sep 20, 10:40 PM
Cc: A6. At no point in our life has our mind that goes up and down brought us any benefits, no long term nor ultimate benefits.Everything that has been brought by our mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones.We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:40 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q5. When we see our minds go up and down, what is Duldzin Dorje Shugden’s advice?

When our mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further. "At no point in your life has your mind brought you any benefits, if you think about it carefully. At no point in your life has your mind brought you long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones."
18 Sep 20, 10:39 PM
CarynW: Our mind has not brought us long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:39 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A6. At no point in our life has our mind that goes up and down brought us any benefits, no long term nor ultimate benefits.Everything that has been brought by our mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones.We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:39 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : At no point in your life has your mind brought you any benefits. At no point in your life has your mind brought you long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:38 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q4. How did Duldzin Dorje Shugden describe teachings and what we should do with them?

The teachings are like seeds. We should not take the seeds and throw it away on someone else’s land and we getting no benefits. We should not plough the land, weed the land and water the land which is effort, ethics, vows, consistent effort and then nothing grows. To have the seeds and have the land, you must apply weeding, fertilisation, watering, protection from insects, birds and whatnot. And that is likened to effort, ethics, application, consistency.
18 Sep 20, 10:38 PM
Callista: A6:Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:37 PM
Fong: @Choong_Moderator, sorry answered both Q5 and Q6 together _/|\_
18 Sep 20, 10:37 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Q3. What did Duldzin Dorje Shugden say about what we learned in our initial years in Dharma? What is the result of our application of what we have learned?

Whatever we learn on the first acre can be applied on the second, third and fourth. Whatever we learn on the first acreage does not need to be given new instructions for the second and third and fourth acreage. Whatever’s been given for the first, whatever formula, whatever methods, whatever teachings apply to the second and third and fourth acres.

So if we are applying, we will have produce, we will have results in edible items. And in fact, every year our farm should expand and grow. This is the farm of our mind. This is the acreage of our development. And the teachings are like seeds.
18 Sep 20, 10:36 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A6. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones. We become comfortable with being negative, we become used to being negative and then we expect people to reach out to us, to nurture us, to take care of us even when we’re 30, 40, 50 years old. This must stop.
18 Sep 20, 10:36 PM
CarynW: A5. When our mind goes up and down, catch it immediately and not let it go further.
18 Sep 20, 10:36 PM
Elaine: A6. Our minds up till now never brought us any ultimate benefits but only suffering.
18 Sep 20, 10:36 PM
Fong: Q5. When we see our minds go up and down, what is Duldzin Dorje Shugden’s advice?
- to catch and arrest the trend of thoughts s
- our mind has been preoccupied with mundane matters and
- has not brought us much long-term and ultimate benefits
- but rather has only created feelings of sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones.
18 Sep 20, 10:35 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. Why?
18 Sep 20, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. When our mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further.
18 Sep 20, 10:35 PM
Cc: A5. Catch it immediately and do not let it go further
18 Sep 20, 10:34 PM
yew seng: A5) When your mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further.
18 Sep 20, 10:34 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : When your mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further.
18 Sep 20, 10:34 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A5. When your mind goes up and down, catch it immediately. Do not let it go further. At no point in your life has your mind brought you any benefits, if you think about it carefully. At no point in your life has your mind brought you long-term and ultimate benefits. Everything that has been brought by your mind ended up in sorrow, disappointment, coldness, fear, anger, distance and, most important, the biggest obstacles – comfort zones.
18 Sep 20, 10:33 PM
Callista: A5:Catch it immediately. Do not let it go further.
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