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15 Jun 19, 12:23 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Valentina for moderating and see everyone next week.
15 Jun 19, 12:06 PM
Joy: Next Blog chat topic will be… Miyolangsangma, the Goddess of Inexhaustible Giving
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/miyolangsangma-the-goddess-of-inexhaustible-giving.html
15 Jun 19, 12:06 PM
Joy: Thank you Rinpoche and Valentina
15 Jun 19, 12:06 PM
Sofi: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Valentina for moderating and bye everyone.
15 Jun 19, 12:05 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Valentina for moderating and thanks to everyone.
15 Jun 19, 12:03 PM
Stella: Thank you, Rinpoche, Valentina and everyone.
15 Jun 19, 12:02 PM
Valentina_moderator: With this last question, we have come to the end of our blog chat session. Thank you Rinpoche for this opportunity to learn. Thank you everyone for participating and looking forward to chatting with you again next week.
15 Jun 19, 12:01 PM
Valentina_moderator: 6. What did Buddha Shakyamuni request of Mahapajapati Gotami before she enter Nirvana? What did Mahapajapati Gotami do to fulfill this request?


Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment.

Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere.

After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni. Buddha Shakyamuni then walked Mahapajapati Gotami off until the gate of the monastery where Mahapajapati Gotami paid homage to Buddha Shakyamuni by kissing his feet for the last time.
15 Jun 19, 12:00 PM
Joy: 6. What did Buddha Shakyamuni request of Mahapajapati Gotami before she enter Nirvana? What did Mahapajapati Gotami do to fulfill this request?

- When Mahapajapati Gotami was 120 years old, she decided it was time for her to enter Nirvana, and the 500 nuns also shared the same wish. At this moment, the earth trembled violently, there were thunderstorms, and the guardian spirits of the bhikkhunis monastery were wailing sadly.
- Mahapajapati Gotami went on to ask for permission from Buddha Shakyamuni and his close disciples, Rahula, Ananda, and Nanda to enter Nirvana. Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment.
- Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain.
- She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere.
- After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni.
- Buddha Shakyamuni then walked Mahapajapati Gotami off until the gate of the monastery where Mahapajapati Gotami paid homage to Buddha Shakyamuni by kissing his feet for the last time.
15 Jun 19, 11:59 AM
Valentina_moderator: And Pastor Antoinette too for catching up with us :)
15 Jun 19, 11:59 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Chris for your answer to question no. 6
15 Jun 19, 11:57 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 6. What did Buddha Shakyamuni request of Mahapajapati Gotami before she enter Nirvana? What did Mahapajapati Gotami do to fulfill this request?

Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment. Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere. After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni. Buddha Shakyamuni then walked Mahapajapati Gotami off until the gate of the monastery where Mahapajapati Gotami paid homage to Buddha Shakyamuni by kissing his feet for the last time.
15 Jun 19, 11:57 AM
Chris: Answer 6: Buddha Shakyamuni asked Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural powers to show those who have doubts on women's abilty to gain realisation. Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere.
15 Jun 19, 11:56 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette for your answer to question no. 3, 4 and 5 and Stella, Pastor Lanse, Sofi, Pastor Shin, and Chris for your answers
15 Jun 19, 11:55 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. How did Ananda help Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women to receive ordination?

Ananda talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
15 Jun 19, 11:55 AM
Chris: Answer 5: Ananda helped Mahapajapati Gotami by asking the Buddha Shakyamuni if women are capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice which the Buddha said yes. Then he went on a propose for Mahapajapati and the 500 women to be ordained which Buddha Shakayamuni agreed if Mahapajapati accept the Eight Garudhammas.
15 Jun 19, 11:55 AM
Pastor Shin: A6. Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment. Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere. After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:54 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. After the first rejection, what did Mahapajapati Gotami do to request ordination for the second time? What was the result of this request?

Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination.
Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
15 Jun 19, 11:54 AM
Sofi: A6: Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment. Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere. After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni. Buddha Shakyamuni then walked Mahapajapati Gotami off until the gate of the monastery where Mahapajapati Gotami paid homage to Buddha Shakyamuni by kissing his feet for the last time.
15 Jun 19, 11:53 AM
P Lanse: A6. Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment.
Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere.
15 Jun 19, 11:53 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline. And thank you Yee Yin for your organized answer :)
15 Jun 19, 11:53 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time? How did Buddha Shakyamuni respond to this request?

Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:53 AM
Stella:
Ans6

When Mahapajapati Gotami was 120 years old, she requested for permission from Buddha and his close disciples, Rahula, Ananda, and Nanda to enter Nirvana. Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha wanted Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment.


To fulfil this request, Mahapajapati Gotami exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere. With this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha.
15 Jun 19, 11:52 AM
Yee Yin: 6. What did Buddha Shakyamuni request of Mahapajapati Gotami before she enter Nirvana? What did Mahapajapati Gotami do to fulfill this request?
Ans: before Mahapajapati Gotami entered Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni asked her to perform supernatural power in order to show people that women can also gain attainment. The supernatural power performed by Mahapajapati Gotami were:
1. Becoming many from one and many becoming one
2. Disappearing and appearing again
3. Passing through a wall or mountain
4. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere.
15 Jun 19, 11:51 AM
Pastor Adeline: A6. Mahapajapati Gotami went on to ask for permission from Buddha Shakyamuni and his close disciples, Rahula, Ananda, and Nanda to enter Nirvana. Before granting Mahapajapati Gotami her wish to enter Nirvana, Buddha Shakyamuni requested Mahapajapati Gotami to show her supernatural power to those who had doubts in women’s ability to attain realisations and enlightenment. Mahapajapati Gotami then exhibited many instances of supernatural power, including becoming many from one and many becoming one; disappearing and appearing again; passing through a wall or mountain. She also made six suns arise simultaneously, releasing intense heat in the atmosphere. After this, Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns were given the permission and blessings to enter Nirvana by Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:51 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good afternoon Pastor Antoinette. Nice to see you here.
15 Jun 19, 11:51 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. Please summarize three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.


1. She was born in Hamsavati during the time of Buddha Padumuttara. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.
2. In one of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives, she was born a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi). One day, five pratyekabuddhas came to ask the laypersons to help them prepare for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts. All the rich people refused to help. Even though poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami. In their future lives, these 500 female slaves followed Mahapajapati Gotami in requesting Buddha Shakyamuni to allow them ordination into the monastic order.
3. Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:49 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 1. Who was Mahapajapati Gotami? What was her relationship with Buddha Shakyamuni?

Mahapajapati Gotami was one of the most important disciples of Buddha Shakyamuni as she was the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order (bhikkhuni Sangha). She was also the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:49 AM
Valentina_moderator: 6. What did Buddha Shakyamuni request of Mahapajapati Gotami before she enter Nirvana? What did Mahapajapati Gotami do to fulfill this request?

15 Jun 19, 11:49 AM
Valentina_moderator: Last and final question...
15 Jun 19, 11:49 AM
Valentina_moderator: 5. How did Ananda help Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women to receive ordination?


Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
15 Jun 19, 11:48 AM
Sofi: A5: Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
15 Jun 19, 11:48 AM
Pastor Antoinette: Good morning Rinpoche, good morning everyone
15 Jun 19, 11:47 AM
Yee Yin: 5. How did Ananda help Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women to receive ordination?
Ans: Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women had the same capability as men to achieve enlightenment and Buddha Shakyamuni said yes. Ananda then went on to request Buddha Shakyamuni to give ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami which he finally agreed.
15 Jun 19, 11:47 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Stella
15 Jun 19, 11:46 AM
Joy: 5. How did Ananda help Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women to receive ordination? 

- How Ananda helped was when he saw Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
15 Jun 19, 11:46 AM
P Lanse: A5.When Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
15 Jun 19, 11:45 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin and Pastor Adeline for your answers to question no. 5. @Joy. I think you combined answer no 4 and 5 :)
15 Jun 19, 11:44 AM
Stella:
Ans5

Ananda spoke to Buddha Shakyamuni on behalf of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women. He asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. Mahapajapati Gotami accepted, and Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
15 Jun 19, 11:44 AM
Pastor Adeline: A5. Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
15 Jun 19, 11:43 AM
Joy: 4. After the first rejection, what did Mahapajapati Gotami do to request ordination for the second time? What was the result of this request? 

- Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
- Buddha’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and went to talk to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
- This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
15 Jun 19, 11:43 AM
Pastor Shin: A5. Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women who followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf, asking Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni finally gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers.
15 Jun 19, 11:42 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline, Sofi and Pastor Shin
15 Jun 19, 11:41 AM
Valentina_moderator: 5. How did Ananda help Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women to receive ordination?

15 Jun 19, 11:41 AM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
15 Jun 19, 11:41 AM
Pastor Shin: A4. Mahapajapati Gotami was very determined and did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When they arrived in Vaishali with their wounded feet, dusty bodies and tears streaming down their faces, still their request was again rejected.
15 Jun 19, 11:41 AM
Sofi: A4: Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
15 Jun 19, 11:41 AM
Valentina_moderator: 4. After the first rejection, what did Mahapajapati Gotami do to request ordination for the second time? What was the result of this request?


After her ordination request was rejected by Buddha Shakyamuni, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected.
15 Jun 19, 11:40 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Chris and Yee Yin for your answers to question no. 4
15 Jun 19, 11:40 AM
Pastor Adeline: A4. After she was first rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
15 Jun 19, 11:40 AM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9r3ptz76o9161.jpg - Another mage of Mahapajapati Gotami
15 Jun 19, 11:39 AM
Yee Yin: 4. After the first rejection, what did Mahapajapati Gotami do to request ordination for the second time? What was the result of this request?
Ans: After Mahapajapati Gotami was rejected the second time, she and her 500 female followers shaved their heads and put on yellow robes and walked to Buddha Shakyamuni's monastery to request for ordination again. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni rejected again.

15 Jun 19, 11:39 AM
Chris: Answer 4: After rejection, Mahapajapati Gotami along with the 500 women went to the barber to shave their heads and wore robes. They followed Lord Buddha to Vasihali on foot and they requested for ordination from Lord Buddha again when they arrived. Lord Buddha rejected their request again.
15 Jun 19, 11:38 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin for your answer to question no. 3 and also to Stella and Pastor Lanse for your answers to question no. 4.
15 Jun 19, 11:36 AM
P Lanse: A4. After the first rejection, Mahapajapati Gotami led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
15 Jun 19, 11:34 AM
Stella: Ans4:

After the first rejection, Mahapajapati Gotami led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved, put on yellow robes and followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. It was here when Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected, again.
15 Jun 19, 11:32 AM
Pastor Shin: A3. When Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolved the dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:31 AM
Valentina_moderator: 4. After the first rejection, what did Mahapajapati Gotami do to request ordination for the second time? What was the result of this request?

15 Jun 19, 11:31 AM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
15 Jun 19, 11:31 AM
Valentina_moderator: 3. What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time? How did Buddha Shakyamuni respond to this request?


Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:31 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy and Chris...
15 Jun 19, 11:29 AM
Yee Yin: 3. What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time? How did Buddha Shakyamuni respond to this request? Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:29 AM
P Lanse: A3.What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time was after she witnessed Budddha Shakyamuni compassionately resolved a water dispute between Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini.
- Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree with her request
15 Jun 19, 11:28 AM
Chris: Answer 3: Buddha Shakyamuni resolved a water dispute at River Rohini which resulted in 500 men joining the monastic life. Mahapajapati Gotami and the wives of the 500 men requested Buddha Shakyamuni for them to be ordained. The Buddha did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:27 AM
Joy: 3. What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time? How did Buddha Shakyamuni respond to this request? 

What inspired Gotami was when she witnessed 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life, she immediately together with the 500 of the men’s wives who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sanghamembers. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:26 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Sofi for your answer to question no. 3
15 Jun 19, 11:25 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline. But question no. 3 focus specifically on Gotami's first request to be a ordained :)
15 Jun 19, 11:25 AM
Sofi: A3: Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:25 AM
Stella: Ans3: After Prince Siddharta became the Buddha. He returned to palace to spread the dharma. When there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, Buddha Shakyamuni resolve the dispute with compassion. Immediately, this inspired 500 men who renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, also asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
15 Jun 19, 11:24 AM
Pastor Adeline: 3) Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.

Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.

Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
15 Jun 19, 11:24 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline for you answer to question no. 2
15 Jun 19, 11:21 AM
Pastor Adeline: A2. 1) Mahapajapati Gotami was born in Hamsavati during the time of Buddha Padumuttara. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.

2) In one of her previous lives, she was born a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi). One day, five pratyekabuddhas came to ask the laypersons to help them prepare for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts. All the rich people refused to help. Even though poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami. In their future lives, these 500 female slaves followed Mahapajapati Gotami in requesting Buddha Shakyamuni to allow them ordination into the monastic order.

3) Mahapajapati Gotami was once born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:21 AM
Valentina_moderator: 3. What inspired Mahapajapati Gotami to request ordination for the first time? How did Buddha Shakyamuni respond to this request?

15 Jun 19, 11:20 AM
Valentina_moderator: Next question...
15 Jun 19, 11:20 AM
Valentina_moderator: 2. Please summarize three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.


The three deeds of Mahapajapati Gotami's previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.

1. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.

2. Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami

3. Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:20 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you for your answer Yee Yin, Joy, P. Lanse, Pastor Shin, Sofi, and Stella
15 Jun 19, 11:19 AM
Sofi: A2: Three of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives were very significant in creating the cause which led her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.

She was born in Hamsavati during the time of Buddha Padumuttara. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.
In one of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives, she was born a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi). One day, five pratyekabuddhas came to ask the laypersons to help them prepare for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts. All the rich people refused to help. Even though poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami. In their future lives, these 500 female slaves followed Mahapajapati Gotami in requesting Buddha Shakyamuni to allow them ordination into the monastic order.
Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:19 AM
Pastor Adeline: A1. Majapajapati Gotami was Prince Siddhartha Gautama's aunt and his stepmother. She was also the first female nun ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns' monastic order.
15 Jun 19, 11:19 AM
Stella: Ans: The significant deeds in Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous life that became the causes are summarised as followed: 

1. During the time of Buddha Padumuttara, she witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.

2. When she was born as a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath), she led 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed while the rich people refused to do so.

3. In another life when she was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time, she again took the lead to organise the offerings for 500 pratyekabuddhas while the rich refused to.
15 Jun 19, 11:19 AM
Pastor Shin: A2. Three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order:

1. Born in Hamsavati, she witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.

2. As a slave born near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi), Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts.

3. As a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to 500 pratyekabuddhas.
15 Jun 19, 11:19 AM
P Lanse: A 2. Three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order are
- During the time of Buddha Padumuttara, she witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.
- In one of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives, even thoushe was born a slave and poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed for their rain retreat
- Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.

- Mahapajapati Gotami was Queen Maya's younger sister, she took the responsibility to raise Prince Siddhartha after Queen Maya's death
15 Jun 19, 11:18 AM
Joy: Ans2: * She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.
* In one of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives, she was born a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi). One day, five pratyekabuddhas came to ask the laypersons to help them prepare for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts. All the rich people refused to help. Even though poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami. In their future lives, these 500 female slaves followed Mahapajapati Gotami in requesting Buddha Shakyamuni to allow them ordination into the monastic order.
* Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:17 AM
Yee Yin: 2. Please summarize three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.
Ans:
1. She was born during the time of Buddha Padumuttara. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.
2. In another lives of hers, she was born as a slave and she led 500 other female slaves to build retreat huts for five pratyekabuddhas.
3. Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:17 AM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9r3ptyyqd5690.jpg - an illustration Mahapajapati Gotami and Buddha Shakyamuni
15 Jun 19, 11:15 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Chris for your answer
15 Jun 19, 11:14 AM
Chris: Answer 2:

1. She was born in Hamsavati during the time of Buddha Padumuttara. She witnessed Buddha Padumuttara appointing a nun to a principal position and made the aspiration to achieve the same.

2. In one of Mahapajapati Gotami’s previous lives, she was born a slave near Deer Park in Vaishali (Sarnath, Varanasi). One day, five pratyekabuddhas came to ask the laypersons to help them prepare for the Rain Retreat, including building the retreat huts. All the rich people refused to help. Even though poor, Mahapajapati Gotami led the other 500 female slaves to provide what the five pratyekabuddhas needed. It was also this good deed that bound the 500 female slaves karmically together with Mahapajapati Gotami. In their future lives, these 500 female slaves followed Mahapajapati Gotami in requesting Buddha Shakyamuni to allow them ordination into the monastic order.

3. Once, Mahapajapati Gotami was born as a weaver’s wife near Varanasi prior to Buddha Shakyamuni’s time. When the rich people refused to make offerings to the 500 pratyekabuddhas, she took the lead and organised the offerings to be made to them.
15 Jun 19, 11:13 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Joy. Thank you for your answer
15 Jun 19, 11:13 AM
Valentina_moderator: Dear Chris - thank you for your answer. But just because Mahapajapati Gotami took care of Buddha Shakyamuni, it did not make her the stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni :)
15 Jun 19, 11:13 AM
Joy: Ans1. Mahapajapati Gotami was one of the most important disciples of Buddha Shakyamuni as she was the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order (bhikkhuni Sangha). She was also the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:12 AM
Joy: Good morning Rinpoche and Valentina
15 Jun 19, 11:12 AM
Valentina_moderator: 2. Please summarize three of Mahapajapati Gotami's deeds in her previous lives, which became the cause for her to become the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order.

15 Jun 19, 11:12 AM
Chris: Answer 1: Mahapajapati Gotami is Buddha Shakyamuni's mother's sister. After Queen Maya passed away, she was the one who took care of Buddha Shakyamuni. Hence she is also Buddha Shakyamuni's Stepmother.
15 Jun 19, 11:11 AM
Valentina_moderator: Next question....
15 Jun 19, 11:11 AM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was Mahapajapati Gotami? What was her relationship with Buddha Shakyamuni?

Mahapajapati Gotami was one of the most important disciples of Buddha Shakyamuni as she was the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order (bhikkhuni Sangha). Mahapajapati Gotami was the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:11 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Sofi
15 Jun 19, 11:11 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin and Pastor Lanse....
15 Jun 19, 11:10 AM
Sofi: A. Mahapajapati Gotami was one of the most important disciples of Buddha Shakyamuni as she was the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order (bhikkhuni Sangha). She was also the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:10 AM
Pastor Shin: Ans 1. Majapajapati Gotami was the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order (bhikkhuni Sangha). She was also the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni. She was the sister of Queen Maya, Buddha Shakyamuni's mother and they were descendants of the Sakyan royal family in Devadaha, in the Himalayan region.
15 Jun 19, 11:09 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Rinpoche for the link of information about Manjushri Guest House
15 Jun 19, 11:09 AM
P Lanse: A1. Mahapajapati Gotami the first ever female to be ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni and the founding member of the nuns’ monastic order. She was the aunt and stepmother of Buddha Shakyamuni.
15 Jun 19, 11:08 AM
Valentina_moderator: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9r3ptyvx47497.jpg - A beautiful image of Mahapajapati Gotami at Upaya Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
15 Jun 19, 11:06 AM
Valentina_moderator: Thank you Yee Yin and Stella. Your answers are correct :)
15 Jun 19, 11:05 AM
Yee Yin: 1. Who was Mahapajapati Gotami? What was her relationship with Buddha Shakyamuni?
Ans: Majapajapati Gotami was the first female nun ordained by Buddha Shakyamuni. She was also the founding member of the nuns' monastic order. She was Buddha Shakyamuni's aunt and also his stepmother.
15 Jun 19, 11:05 AM
Stella: Thank you Valentina.
15 Jun 19, 11:05 AM
Stella: 1. Who was Mahapajapati Gotami? What was her relationship with Buddha Shakyamuni?
A: Mahapajapati Gotami was one of Buddha Shakyamuni’s disciples. She was the first female ordained by Buddha as well as the founding member the nun monastic order. And she was also the aunt/stepmother of Buddha.
15 Jun 19, 11:05 AM
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15 Jun 19, 11:04 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Stella. Thank you for joining us today
15 Jun 19, 11:03 AM
Stella: Good morning, Rinpoche and everyone.
15 Jun 19, 11:02 AM
Valentina_moderator: 1. Who was Mahapajapati Gotami? What was her relationship with Buddha Shakyamuni?

15 Jun 19, 11:02 AM
Valentina_moderator: ok first question....
15 Jun 19, 11:02 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Yee Yin, Sofi and Pastor Shin
15 Jun 19, 11:01 AM
Sofi: Good morning Rinpoche. Good morning Valentina and everyone.
15 Jun 19, 11:01 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning
15 Jun 19, 11:01 AM
Yee Yin: Good morning Rinpoche and all!
15 Jun 19, 11:01 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Chris Thank you for joining us this morning
15 Jun 19, 11:00 AM
Chris: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone.
15 Jun 19, 10:59 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Rinpoche and blog chat participants
15 Jun 19, 10:58 AM
Valentina_moderator: Looking forward to chatting with you…

Today’s blog chat topic is

Mahapajapati Gotami – the first Buddhist nun

See you!! https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/mahapajapati-gotami-the-first-buddhist-nun.html

13 Jun 19, 11:05 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone. Good night.
13 Jun 19, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all. Good night and have a blessed KFR Pilgrimage on this Saturday.
13 Jun 19, 11:04 PM
Callista: Thanks and good night Rinpoche,PHN and everyone
13 Jun 19, 11:04 PM
Soon Huat1: Thank You Rinpoche. Thank You Choong, Pastor and everyone in chat room
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A12: Buddha Shakyamuni agreed for Mahapajapati Gotami to be ordained with the condition of accepting the Eight Garudhammas.With her acceptance, Buddha Shakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers and hence, this has established the first female monastic order. The kind Licchavi King built a monastery for Mahapajapati and the 500 nuns as a place for the practice.
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
Cc: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
Callista: A12:Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you very much Choong. Thank you and good night everyone.
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
yew seng: thank you Rinpoche and everyone...
13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
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13 Jun 19, 11:03 PM
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13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
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13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
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13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
Elaine: Thank you all, and goodnight.
13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): Thank you and goodnight Rinpoche,BODS,Pastors,Choong and everyone
13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
Jacinta: Thank you moderator
13 Jun 19, 11:02 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): Thank you Rinpoche and everyone, good night.
13 Jun 19, 11:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: That will be all for this session. Please remember to do your dedications.
13 Jun 19, 11:01 PM
shelly tai: A12: , Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
13 Jun 19, 11:00 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A12:Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 10:59 PM
Cc: A12.Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 10:59 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A11: Buddha Shakyamuni's close disciple and cousin Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 women, He went to talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda proposed to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:59 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A12 : This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 10:59 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong (KISG): A12. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
13 Jun 19, 10:59 PM
CarynW: A12: Buddha Shakyamuni agreed this time round under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A12: Yes. This time Buddha Shakyamuni agreed. The condition was that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A12. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami had to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Soon Huat1: A12. This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A11: Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Choong_Moderator: The Eight Garudhammas (or "heavy rules") are additional precepts required of bhikkhunis (fully ordained Buddhist nuns) above and beyond the monastic rule (vinaya) that applied to monks.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Jacinta: A12: This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established. The kind Licchavi Kings built a monastery for Mahapajapati Gotami and the 500 nuns as a place for their practice.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
yew seng: A12) This time, Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas. With her acceptance, Buddha Sakyamuni gave ordination to Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers, and thus, the first female monastic order was established.
13 Jun 19, 10:58 PM
Elaine: A12. This time, fortunately Buddha Shakyamuni agreed, under the condition that Mahapajapati Gotami has to accept the Eight Garudhammas.
13 Jun 19, 10:57 PM
Cc: A11.He went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:57 PM
Jacinta: A11: Ananda tried to help and talked to Buddha again. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:57 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question. Q12. Did Buddha Shakyamuni agree this time around? What was the Buddha’s condition for agreeing to ordain Mahapajapati and her 500 followers?
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
Callista: A11:Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A11: Ananda talked to Buddha Shakyamuni on their behalf and asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
Elaine: A11. Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A11:Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A11.He went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:56 PM
CarynW: A11: Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:55 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A10: Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up even though the request for ordination was rejected. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. After putting on with the yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot for requesting ordination again. When all of them arrived at Vaishali, their feet were wounded and their bodies were dusty with tears coming down from their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami together with her 500 followers requested for ordination from Buddha Shakyamuni for the second time but the request was rejected again.
13 Jun 19, 10:55 PM
yew seng: A11 ) Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members
13 Jun 19, 10:54 PM
Callista: A10:The very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:54 PM
Soon Huat1: A11. Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes. Ananda then went on to propose to Buddha Shakyamuni that women should also be given the opportunity and right to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:54 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong: A11. Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin, Ananda saw the determination of Mahapajapati Gotami and the other 500 women, and so he went and talked to Buddha Shakyamuni again on their behalf. Ananda asked Buddha Shakyamuni if women were capable of gaining realisation in spiritual practice, which the Buddha answered yes.
13 Jun 19, 10:53 PM
Callista: A:There was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:53 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q11. What did Buddha Shakyamuni’s close disciple and cousin Ananda do when he saw the determination of Mahapajapati?
13 Jun 19, 10:53 PM
Cc: A10.Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:53 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A10 : Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:53 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A10.Even though she was disappointed and dejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were hurt very badly and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
13 Jun 19, 10:52 PM
Elaine: A10. Though Shakyamuni rejected her request, she led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:52 PM
Soon Huat1: A10. Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
yew seng: A10 ) Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
CarynW: A10: Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up and led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. When all of them arrived in Vaishali, their feet were wounded, and their bodies were dusty and tears were streaming down their faces. Mahapajapati Gotami and her 500 followers again requested Buddha Shakyamuni for ordination. Unfortunately, the request was again rejected again.
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A10: Mahapajapati led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again. However, they were also rejected.
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong: A10. Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again.
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
Jacinta: A10: She was not upset. In fact she was determined and not giving up
13 Jun 19, 10:51 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A10:Even though rejected, the very determined Mahapajapati Gotami did not give up. She led her 500 female followers to the barber and had their heads shaved. Putting on yellow robes, they followed Buddha Shakyamuni to Vaishali on foot, to request for ordination again
13 Jun 19, 10:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q10. What was her reaction?
13 Jun 19, 10:50 PM
Cc: A9.Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members
13 Jun 19, 10:50 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A9:Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members
13 Jun 19, 10:49 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9.Mahapajapati first asked for this,after 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life upon seeing the compassionate way in which Buddha Shakyamuni had resolved a huge dispute. Seeing this,Mahapajapati Gotami, together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life,quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:48 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9: The 1st occasion was when there was a water dispute between Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohiniu. Buddha Shakyamuni's response to the situation was very compassionate and seeing this, Mahapajapati together with the 500 females asked Buddha Shakyamuni to ordain them to be sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:48 PM
Soon Huat1: A9. When 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:48 PM
Elaine: A9. After he settled a dispute on who has the right to take water from Rohini river, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:48 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: The first occasion when Mahapajapati Gotami asked Buddha Shakyamuni for women to be ordained as Sangha members after 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life when Buddha Shakyamuni resolved the water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans.
13 Jun 19, 10:47 PM
Tsa Tsa Ong: A9.Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:47 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9 : Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members.
13 Jun 19, 10:47 PM
shelly tai: A9: Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:47 PM
yew seng: A9 : Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members
13 Jun 19, 10:47 PM
CarynW: A9: Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:46 PM
Jacinta: A9: Once, there was a water dispute between the Sakyans and the Koliyans as to the right to take water from the river Rohini, now called Rowai River. Buddha Shakyamuni was very compassionate to resolve the dispute. Immediately, 500 men renounced and joined the monastic life. Seeing this, Mahapajapati Gotami together with the 500 wives of the men who had joined the monastic life, quickly asked Buddha Shakyamuni for the first time to be ordained as Sangha members. However, Buddha Shakyamuni did not agree and went back to Vaishali.
13 Jun 19, 10:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q9. When was the first occasion when Mahapajapati asked Buddha Shakyamuni for women to be ordained as Sangha members?
13 Jun 19, 10:44 PM
Cc: A8.After seeing how Buddha Shakyamuni had transformed, the king and the queen became the students of Buddha Shakyamuni. Seven days later, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Not only did the parents of Buddha Shakyamuni become his students, his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life
13 Jun 19, 10:44 PM
shelly tai: A8: After Prince Siddhartha had attained enlightenment and became the Buddha (one who is awakened), he went back to the palace to give Dharma teachings to his parents when he found out that his father, King Suddhodana was ill. After seeing how Buddha Shakyamuni had transformed, the king and the queen became the students of Buddha Shakyamuni. Seven days later, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Not only did the parents of Buddha Shakyamuni become his students, his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life.
13 Jun 19, 10:44 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A8.After attaining enlightenment and becoming the Buddha, Prince Siddharta returned back to his palace to give Dharma teachings to his parents when he found out that his father , King Suddhodana ,was ill..After seeing how Buddha Shakyamuni had transformed, the king and the queen became the students of Buddha Shakyamuni. Seven days later, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Not only did the parents of Shakyamuni become his students, his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life.
13 Jun 19, 10:44 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: After Prince Siddhartha had attained enlightenment and became Buddha, he went back to the palace to give Dharma teachings to his parents and found out that his father King Suddhodana was ill. After seeing how Buddha Shakyamuni had transformed, both King and Queen became the students of Buddha Shakyamuni. After 7 days, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Both parents of Buddha Shakyamuni became his students and followed by his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life.
13 Jun 19, 10:43 PM
Elaine: A8. When he went back to the palace to give Dharma teachings to his parents, he found out that his father, King Suddhodana was ill. The king and the queen became his students. Seven days later, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Then his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life.
13 Jun 19, 10:43 PM
Grace Leu (KHJB): A8:After Prince Siddhartha had attained enlightenment and became the Buddha (one who is awakened), he went back to the palace to give Dharma teachings to his parents when he found out that his father, King Suddhodana was ill. After seeing how Buddha Shakyamuni had transformed, the king and the queen became the students of Buddha Shakyamuni. Seven days later, King Suddhodana attained Arhatship and passed away. Not only did the parents of Buddha Shakyamuni become his students, his stepbrother Nanda and his son Rahula also became his students and followed his footsteps into the monastic life.
13 Jun 19, 10:41 PM
Jacinta: In another word, with Dharma, we are able to help many instead of our parents only.
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