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27 Sep 20, 09:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Have a good rest of the evening everyone and stay safe 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
27 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Andrea Lai: Thank you Joy, good night all _/\_
27 Sep 20, 09:06 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes correct Andrea. Always keep up your practice, no matter what. Especially your sadhana. That is very important ya. Hope to see you here next week :)
27 Sep 20, 09:05 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Joy, Pastor Antoinette, Andrea, Emilee, Christin, Valentina and everyone. Good night.
27 Sep 20, 09:05 PM
Andrea Lai: A7. I've been regarded Lama Tsongkhapa as my yidam and in this blog, Rinpoche explained well how Lama Tsongkhapa transform Himself to Vajrayogini was very interesting. Therefore, I think the message sending here is to for us, continue our practices, understand the Dharma, our commitments and never give up.
27 Sep 20, 09:04 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Yee Mun, very true :)
27 Sep 20, 09:03 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : We need to commit to our practice daily so that we are ready for higher practice when we received it. We must also have guru devotion in order for us to be able to success in our practice till we achieve enlightenment.
27 Sep 20, 09:03 PM
Valentina: Thank you Joy and everyone. Looking forward to chatting with you again next week
27 Sep 20, 09:02 PM
Emilee: Thank you Joy and everyone on chat room. Have a good evening.
27 Sep 20, 09:02 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche, thank you Joy and everyone. See you next week.
27 Sep 20, 09:02 PM
Joy_Moderator: We have actually come to an end of our blog chat this evening. Please do your dedications and do join us again next Sunday, same time here :)
27 Sep 20, 09:01 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette
27 Sep 20, 09:00 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes that is very true Valentina... Rinpoche is preparing us for that :) It is amazing when we think about it, how Rinpoche consistently cares for us on an ultimate level.
27 Sep 20, 08:59 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 7. What really stood out for you in this blog post and why?

The importance of Guru Devotion and the power of our Guru Devotion. It is the most important practice to gain higher realisations and it will be much more powerful if we are lucky to receive the initiation.
27 Sep 20, 08:59 PM
Valentina: ANS 7:

What stood out for me is from reading this article, I recalled many instructions that Rinpoche gave to me and some others are all in line with his teaching. Rinpoche was preparing us to receive higher teachings.
27 Sep 20, 08:59 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina for A6... and yes Emilee thank you for your understanding and insights which is very accurate and true about Rinpoche :) I am glad you learnt a lot from this blog post.
27 Sep 20, 08:58 PM
Emilee: I really like how Tsem Rinpoche describes how Lama Tsongkhapa transforms into Vajrayogini and how his yellow hat changes to her her and the symbology of the whole thing but I think what I got to learn most is that the importance of the little things which are the commitments we made to our teacher that would actually lead you to be able to receive this special tantra of Vajrayogini in the first place. So I like how Rinpoche gave you the methods to receiving this initiation and training us to be prepared not starting only when we have received the initiation but even before. That's really very wise of Tsem Rinpoche. Thank you. Very good teaching and training for us.
27 Sep 20, 08:57 PM
Valentina: ANS 6:

Rinpoche recommended the study of Fifty verses of Guru Devotion for us and other people. The reason is for us to be able to learn to control ourselves in front of our teacher. From there, we learn to take control in front of his assistants and disciples and other people as well.
27 Sep 20, 08:54 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Valentina can move on to the final question for this evening if you like :)
27 Sep 20, 08:53 PM
Valentina: ANS 3:

While we are not yet a Vajrayogini practitioners, we can start by:

> Holding our commitments and our vows. Especially those we made to our teacher

> Following through with our promise to our teacher and Dharma brothers and sisters

> Be honorable and work with integrity
27 Sep 20, 08:53 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina :) Can go to Q6 ya ;)
27 Sep 20, 08:53 PM
Joy_Moderator: Those who have answered Q6 you can go to this last question for the evening >>> 7. What really stood out for you in this blog post and why?
27 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yee Mun, your answer is correct as well! Yes if you cannot control yourself in front of the Guru, then you definitely cannot control yourself with others.
27 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Valentina: ANS 2:

The best anyone can do if not enlightenment for now is to gain mastery over taking rebirth coupled with developing the Three Principle Paths.
27 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Andrea Lai: Joy_Moderator: Hi Andrea, yes but the one particular dharma text that Rinpoche mentioned for us to read up well and also encourage others to read up is The Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion by Asvagosha :) Noted with thanks
27 Sep 20, 08:51 PM
Joy_Moderator: 6. Rinpoche mentioned many things we should make a point to learn and study up, but which one should we encourage others to also study and know well? And why is this important?

> The Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion by Asvagosha is the text that Rinpoche ask us to study up well and to also encourage other people to study and know it well.

> This is because when we know it well we can start controlling yourself in the presence of your teacher. When we can control ourselves in the presence of our teacher, we can control ourself in the presence of his assistants, his entourage, his students and soon we can control ourselves with everybody else we meet. It is a gradual process.
27 Sep 20, 08:50 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina, I think you can jump on to Q6 :) but yes you are right on Q1
27 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Andrea, yes but the one particular dharma text that Rinpoche mentioned for us to read up well and also encourage others to read up is The Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion by Asvagosha :)
27 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Andrea Lai: A6. Practice the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation, If you develop the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation in your mind, when you see Vajrayogini, you will be very ready for Her practice. You see, these things I am giving you now are preliminaries, it’s just a foundation before you to get Vajrayogini. Tsongkhapa’s Guru Yoga and Mitsegma daily, light and easy.
27 Sep 20, 08:49 PM
Valentina: ANS 1:

The three principle paths are:

> Renunciation
> Bodhicitta
> Emptiness (sunyata)
27 Sep 20, 08:48 PM
Andrea Lai: A6. Practice the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation, If you develop the Eight Verses of Thought Transformation in your mind, when you see Vajrayogini, you will be very ready for Her practice. You see, these things I am giving you now are preliminaries, it’s just a foundation before you to get Vajrayogini. Tsongkhapa’s Guru Yoga and Mitsegma daily.
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Emilee: Ohhh I see. Thank you Joy and Pastor Antoinette for the links, will check it out :)
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Complete Commentary on 50 Verses of Guru Devotion https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/complete-commentary-on-50-verses-of-guru-devotion.html and

Brief Commentary on 50 Verses of Guru Devotion https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/brief-commentary-on-50-verses-of-guru-devotion.html?nomobile
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Joy_Moderator: No worries. Hi Valentina. Just jump right it.
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : The Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion by Asvagosha – you should study that. You should encourage other people to study that and know it well. When you start controlling yourself in the presence of your teacher. When you control yourself in the presence of your teacher, you can control yourself in the presence of his assistants and you can control yourself in the presence of his entourage, then his students and then everybody else you meet. It’s a gradual process. If you can’t even control yourself and roll your eyes in the presence of your teacher, you definitely will roll your eyes in front of everybody else.
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Valentina: Apologize for being late...
27 Sep 20, 08:47 PM
Joy_Moderator: Ah yes Pastor Antoinette pointed you to the teachings also :)
27 Sep 20, 08:46 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Emilee, it is a book and you can read the commentary here. All who are keen for higher teachings, we are advise to study and learn this up well... >>> https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/complete-commentary-on-50-verses-of-guru-devotion.html
27 Sep 20, 08:46 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Hi Emilee, You can read it here: https://resources.tsemtulku.com/prayers/general-prayers/50-verses-of-guru-devotion.html and there are also teachings by Rinpoche about the 50 verses of Guru Devotion
27 Sep 20, 08:45 PM
Emilee: A6: The 50 verses of Guru devotion. That is a book? Sorry I'm rather new here :)
27 Sep 20, 08:44 PM
Joy_Moderator: Well said Pastor Antoinette!
27 Sep 20, 08:43 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 6. Rinpoche mentioned many things we should make a point to learn and study up, but which one should we encourage others to also study and know well? And why is this important?

The Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion by Asvagosha – you should study that. You should encourage other people to study that and know it well.

Do you know how you can tell you know it well? When you start controlling yourself in the presence of your teacher. When you control yourself in the presence of your teacher, you can control yourself in the presence of his assistants and you can control yourself in the presence of his entourage, then his students and then everybody else you meet. It’s a gradual process.
27 Sep 20, 08:42 PM
Joy_Moderator: 6. Rinpoche mentioned many things we should make a point to learn and study up, but which one should we encourage others to also study and know well? And why is this important?
27 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Why is it good to contemplate on our Guru until tears come down from our eyes spontaneously?

> It is good because, we are preparing ourselves to receive Vajrayogini. And through this contemplation, we learn “never to give up” and “never to quit” especially when the going gets tough and we wish we could just throw in the towel. But we hold on, we hold on because we think/contemplate on our Guru. The promises we made to our Guru and all the kindness our Guru has done for us. So we hold on and we don’t give.
> This is just a small test because it is preparing us for a much bigger and more challenging practice/spiritual path - Vajrayogini tantra. Hence, if we give up so easily now, for something small, why would we think we are able to tolerate and persevere when we receive Vajraogini’s practice which has more commitments which we cannot break.
27 Sep 20, 08:41 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Andrea because if we give up easily due to small problems/difficulties now, then when we are given Vajrayogini and it becomes more challenging then we will also easily give up. But because it is tantra and there are commitments, so there are consequences when we give up the practice.
27 Sep 20, 08:39 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Yee Mun :). Christin hope you are okay and still with us. Do feel free to ask any of us any questions if you have :)
27 Sep 20, 08:39 PM
Andrea Lai: A5. It is a sign of preparation on receiving Vajrayogini, from Vajrayogini. We shouldn't give up for we gain Her paths and attainments.
27 Sep 20, 08:38 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : So by contemplating on your Lama and thinking about his good qualities and what he has done for you in your life until tears come down your eyes, always until it is spontaneous, you prepare yourself to receive Vajrayogini, from Vajrayogini. Never give up. If you don’t give up Vajrayogini, you will gain Her paths. You will gain Her attainments.
27 Sep 20, 08:37 PM
Joy_Moderator: Very well said Pastor Antoinette. Very well said :) and yes Emilee, in a nutshell you summarised it well.
27 Sep 20, 08:37 PM
Emilee: A5. It is good because when we can have tears coming our spontaneously, it means we truly appreciate our teacher and we are grateful. So this empowers us to not give up easily when we are face with difficulties or tough situations. It actually reminds us our our teacher's kindness so we actually keep going.
27 Sep 20, 08:36 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. Why is it good to contemplate on our Guru until tears come down from our eyes spontaneously?

So by contemplating on your Lama and thinking about his good qualities and what he has done for you in your life until tears come down your eyes, always until it is spontaneous...

you prepare yourself to receive Vajrayogini, from Vajrayogini.

Never give up. Never give up. I quit, I can’t, I don’t want to, bye bye… never give up. If you give up on something small like this, how are you going to do Vajrayogini’s practice? That’s even more intense.

So if you don’t give up now, when you get to see Vajrayogini, you are not going to give up. If you don’t give up Vajrayogini, you will gain Her paths. You will gain Her attainments.
27 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. Why is it good to contemplate on our Guru until tears come down from our eyes spontaneously?
27 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
Joy_Moderator: 4. In your own understanding explain why is it important for us to contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama again and again?

> The requisite to being able to receive any tantric empowerment/initiation is to have strong Guru devotion. This is simple, without the Guru, one cannot receive any initiation and hence any spiritual attainments.

> Hence, if we contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama and how our Lama changed our lives again and again, it is a very powerful method that creates the causes for us to receive Vajrayogini’s empowerment because we may even see our Lama as Vajrayogini.
27 Sep 20, 08:34 PM
Joy_Moderator: Very good Yee Mun and what you say is very true! It is the kindness of our Guru in the first place that we can even receive the initiation.
27 Sep 20, 08:33 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Andrea, you are right, our Guru will know how to guide and prepare us. So we must trust the Guru and to always follow his/her advice. Without the Guru, there is no initiation, so no enlightenment.
27 Sep 20, 08:32 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A4 : It is important for us to contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama so that when we receive the Vajrayogini, we can see our Lama and Vajrayogini as one and it will be very powerful and effective. Is it the kindness of our Lama that we are able to receive the teachings, our Lama is the one that can train and lead us to enlightenment.
27 Sep 20, 08:31 PM
Emilee: Ah I see. Understand Joy. Thanks
27 Sep 20, 08:31 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Pastor Antoinette... without the Guru, one cannot receive any initiation and hence any spiritual attainments. So it is the pre-requisite for higher yoga tantra.
27 Sep 20, 08:30 PM
Andrea Lai: A4. It is very important for us to contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama, because our Guru is the only person that could guide, protect, love us and teaches us to be a better person spiritually and eventually would lead us to enlightenment. Our Guru teachings will never go wrong therefore practicing Dharma is the only key to liberate our mind sufferings.
27 Sep 20, 08:29 PM
Joy_Moderator: Emilee, when you don't keep to your commitments and promises to your spiritual teacher, it creates the causes for you to have obstacles to receive the Dharma and to further advance in your spiritual practice, and in this case to be able to receive the Vajrayogini initiation in the future from a qualified teacher. The bad thing that happens to you, is not because the teacher punishes you, but more that your negative karma creates obstacles for you and you don't have enough merits to support a higher practice such as tantra. Hence, you cannot progress higher.
27 Sep 20, 08:27 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. In your own understanding explain why is it important for us to contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama again and again?

It is because of our teacher that we have learned the Dharma. We have seen how he practices what he teaches. We have received gifts and so much from our teacher. Then if we are fortunate to receive VajraYogini initiation it will be very powerful and we might even see our teacher as Vajra Yogini.
27 Sep 20, 08:26 PM
Emilee: Thank you Joy for the explanation Joy. So what happens when you break it or you don't do the assignments that the teacher gave? Anything bad happens to you?
27 Sep 20, 08:25 PM
Joy_Moderator: 4. In your own understanding explain why is it important for us to contemplate on the good qualities of our Lama again and again?
27 Sep 20, 08:25 PM
Joy_Moderator: 3. Obviously most of us here cannot do Vajrayogini practice because we do not have the initiation, so what can we do for now?

> We can start now by holding to our commitments and our vows - our refuge vows primarily and our commitments/promise to our Guru.

> Whatever we promise to our Guru and our Dharma brothers and sisters to do, we should do it.

> Be honourable and have integrity. Whatever work or practice you have been assigned, do it diligently and happily. 
27 Sep 20, 08:24 PM
Joy_Moderator: Very good Yee Mun and Andrea. Do take a look at Pastor Antoinette's detailed answers :)
27 Sep 20, 08:23 PM
Joy_Moderator: Again excellent answer Pastor Antoinette. And yes Emilee that is correct, even and especially when our teacher is no longer around, we still need to do the assignments he gave us deligently.
27 Sep 20, 08:23 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A3 : By holding your commitments and your vows – your refuge vows primarily and your commitments. Whatever you promise your Guru and your Dharma brothers and sisters to do, you do it. If you break it, you don’t create the causes to get Vajrayogini.
27 Sep 20, 08:22 PM
Andrea Lai: A3. By holding our commitments and our vows – our refuge vows primarily and commitments. Whatever we have promised to our Guru and our Dharma brothers and sisters to do, we must do it. If we break it, you don’t create the causes to get Vajrayogini.
27 Sep 20, 08:22 PM
Emilee: A3: Tsem Rinpoche advise is we can start by first keeping to our promises and the commitments we have made to our spiritual teacher. So this means whatever assignments your spiritual teacher has given to you, you need to be honourable and to do it diligently. So even when the teacher is no longer around, you will still to do it, is this correct?
27 Sep 20, 08:22 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. Obviously most of us here cannot do Vajrayogini practice because we do not have the initiation, so what can we do for now?

By holding your commitments and your vows – your refuge vows primarily and your commitments. Whatever you promise your Guru and your Dharma brothers and sisters to do, you do it. If you break it, you don’t create the causes to get Vajrayogini. One has to lead to another.

Be honorable and have integrity meaning that whatever you say you are going to do, do it. Whatever work or practice you have been assigned, do it diligently and happily.

Develop contemplations on the good qualities of one’s Lama again and again. Always contemplate how your Lama has changed your life, how you were before you met your Lama, how you gain purpose after your Lama, and basically how many examples the Lama has shown you. If you contemplate on that over and over again, it’s very powerful.
27 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: 3. Obviously most of us here cannot do Vajrayogini practice because we do not have the initiation, so what can we do for now?
27 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: Excellent answer Andrea :)
27 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: 2. If we cannot achieve Enlightenment in this life, what is the best thing we can do for ourselves for now as recommended by Rinpoche?

> The best thing we can do for ourselves for now is to at least aim to gain mastery over our rebirth together with developing the Three Principle Paths.
27 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Andrea Lai: A2. Gain mastery over taking rebirth coupled with developing the Three Principle Paths. Then we could take rebirth by being determined by ourselves if we practice the sacred Vajrayogini Tantra thoroughly.
27 Sep 20, 08:19 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Yee Mun and Emilee for your good answers :)
27 Sep 20, 08:18 PM
Emilee: A2: Tsem Rinpoche mentioned the best is for us to at least gain control over our rebirth if we cannot achieve full enlightenment in this life.
27 Sep 20, 08:18 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A2 : To gain mastery over taking rebirth coupled with developing the Three Principle Paths. Where you want to take rebirth can be determined by yourself if you practice the sacred Vajrayogini Tantra thoroughly.
27 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Christin, the answers moderator Joy is looking for are from the article I send just now.
27 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Juldee Khoo: Good evening everyone!
27 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Joy_Moderator: And your answer is correct as well.
27 Sep 20, 08:17 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette :)
27 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes that is correct Emilee. Thank you :)
27 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Good evening Christin. We are discussing: TRANSCRIPT: How Lama Tsongkhapa transforms to Vajrayogini | 宗喀巴如何转化成金刚瑜伽母 https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/transcript-how-lama-tsongkhapa-transforms-to-vajrayogini.html
27 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Emilee: A1= Renunciation, Compassion and Wisdom or like you said Emptiness?
27 Sep 20, 08:16 PM
Christin: Hi good evening everyone
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hello Christin... welcome welcome!
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. If we cannot achieve Enlightenment in this life, what is the best thing we can do for ourselves for now as recommended by Rinpoche?

The best anyone can do if not enlightenment for now is to gain mastery over taking rebirth coupled with developing the Three Principle Paths. They go hand in hand by the way. Where you want to take rebirth can be determined by yourself if you practice the sacred Vajrayogini Tantra thoroughly.
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes the wisdom part = the understanding and realisation of emptiness
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Christin: Hi everyone , I am a newbie here
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A1 : Renunciation, Bodhicitta & wisdom
27 Sep 20, 08:15 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Andrea, thank you.
27 Sep 20, 08:14 PM
Andrea Lai: A1. Renunciation, ultimte love-compassion, wisdom
27 Sep 20, 08:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: You can go on to Q2 if you have answered Q1 > 2. If we cannot achieve Enlightenment in this life, what is the best thing we can do for ourselves for now as recommended by Rinpoche?
27 Sep 20, 08:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: 1. What are the Three Principle Paths?

1. Renunciation
2. Bodhicitta
3. Sunyata/Emptiness
27 Sep 20, 08:12 PM
Joy_Moderator: Excellent Pastor Antoinette!
27 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 1. What are the Three Principle Paths?

Renunciation
Bodhicitta
Correct understanding of Emptiness
27 Sep 20, 08:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hello Good evening Pastor Antoinette. Nice of you to join us :)
27 Sep 20, 08:10 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Good evening Rinpoche, good evening Joy, Andrea, Emilee and Yee Mun and everyone
27 Sep 20, 08:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: 1. What are the Three Principle Paths? You can do a quick search outside the blog post for this :)
27 Sep 20, 08:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Yee Mun, thanks for joining us. Let's start...
27 Sep 20, 08:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Emilee, welcome to our weekly blog chat.
27 Sep 20, 08:08 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Joy, Andrea, Emilee and everyone.
27 Sep 20, 08:08 PM
Emilee: Hello good evening. I'm new to this chat.
27 Sep 20, 08:07 PM
Joy_Moderator: Hi Good evening Andrea! Nice of you to join us tonight!
27 Sep 20, 08:06 PM
Andrea Lai: Good evening all!
27 Sep 20, 07:58 PM
Joy_Moderator: H.E. Tsem Rinpoche gave a brilliant teaching on how Lama Tsongkhapa transforms to Vajrayogini?

<< Tonight's Blog chat topic >>
TRANSCRIPT: How Lama Tsongkhapa transforms to Vajrayogini
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=18731
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
yew seng: Thank you Rinpoche.. and everyone.. good nite.
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and everyone. Good night.
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Moderator Choong. Good night Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee and others
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): Thank you Rinpoche and everyone. Good night.
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Elaine: Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, and good night to all.
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Cc: thank you Rinpoche and everyone.
25 Sep 20, 10:56 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): Thank you and goodnight Rinpoche, Bods,Pastors, Choong and everyone
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all. Good night.
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all. Be well and stay safe. Good night.
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: Listen and focus and concentrate, and contemplate what comes out of our Guru’s mouth the most. Definitely it will be about mind transformation, about patience and tolerance, about bringing ourselves to another level and dealing with others different than the way we dealt with them before. If we listen to all these teachings from our Guru and we apply immediately – not tomorrow, not the next day, not when we’re in the mood, not when we’re rested, not when we’re feeling better – if we apply immediately, then our acreage will grow and our produce will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Choong_Moderator: May everyone's farm grow for the benefit of all.
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Rinpoche. Good night and thank you Choong and everyone.
25 Sep 20, 10:55 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9 : Listen and focus and concentrate, and contemplate what comes out of your Guru’s mouth the most. Definitely it will be about mind transformation, about patience and tolerance, about bringing yourself to another level and dealing with others different than the way you dealt with them before. If you listen to all these teachings from your Guru and you apply immediately – not tomorrow, not the next day, not when you’re in the mood, not when you’re rested, not when you’re feeling better – if you apply immediately, then your acreage will grow and your produce will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A9 : If you listen to all these teachings from your Guru and you apply immediately – not tomorrow, not the next day, not when you’re in the mood, not when you’re rested, not when you’re feeling better – if you apply immediately, then your acreage will grow and your produce will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9.If we listen, focus, concentrate and contemplate on all the teachings from our Guru and apply them immediately,then our acreage will grow and the produce of our mind will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room. Good night and see you all the week after next.
25 Sep 20, 10:53 PM
Jacinta: A9. Listen and focus and concentrate, and contemplate what Guru has taught us. Apply effort now and don't procrastinate. Mind transformation, have patience and tolerance. Bring yourself to another level and dealing with others different than the way you dealt with them before.
25 Sep 20, 10:53 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9: If we listen, contemplate, do, reflect, meditate, and transform now and not wait, our mind will transform and thereby the acreage of our mind will expand.
25 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Cc: A9. Listen and focus and concentrate, and contemplate what comes out of your Guru’s mouth the most. Definitely it will be about mind transformation, about patience and tolerance, about bringing yourself to another level and dealing with others different than the way you dealt with them before.
25 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
CarynW: A9. Listen, focus, concentrate and contemplate the teachings of our Guru and apply them immediately.
25 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Elaine: A9 Listen and focus, concentrate, and contemplate what our Guru teaches and then apply them immediately. Then our acreage will grow and the produce will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:52 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A9. Any relationship you had prior to your Guru does not benefit your mind, does not benefit your karma, does not benefit your future life or even remotely this life. Any relationship you have with your Guru benefits this life, future lives and especially your mind. Listen and focus and concentrate, and contemplate what comes out of your Guru’s mouth the most. Definitely it will be about mind transformation, about patience and tolerance, about bringing yourself to another level and dealing with others different than the way you dealt with them before. If you listen to all these teachings from your Guru and you apply immediately – not tomorrow, not the next day, not when you’re in the mood, not when you’re rested, not when you’re feeling better – if you apply immediately, then your acreage will grow and your produce will be bountiful.
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A8. WE send a message to ourself to be respectful and we send a message to another person of how fortunate they would be to receive teachings from a Guru. Seeing our respect will instil respect in them. Whether they are karmically connected to our Guru or not, whether they will come and meet our Guru or not, the result is that our deferential actions, our respectful actions will lead them to find the Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: And lastly. Q9. How does one increase the acreage of our farm and also make it more bountiful?
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A8 : Two things happen as a result. One is, you send a message to yourself to be respectful and you send a message to another person of how fortunate they would be to receive teachings from a Guru. Seeing your respect will instil respect in them. If they are karmically connected to your Guru, they will come; if they are karmically connected to another Guru, then they will meet. Whatever it is, your deferential actions, your respectful actions will lead them to find the Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Cc: A8. Guru is Buddha. In a way is creating connection to Guru and dharma and the qualities of the Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
Jacinta: A8. Two things happened. We gained respect and at the same time we instilled the respect in others. People will respect Dharma and especially the fortune to have received teaching from a Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: When we address our Guru respectfully, we will send a message to ourselves to be respectful and to other people, it reflects how fortunate we are to receive the teachings from our Guru. Our sincere actions will lead other people to find Dharma .
25 Sep 20, 10:50 PM
CarynW: A8. It teaches us to be respectful and it also send a message to another person of how fortunate and blessed we are to receive teachings from a Guru. This will instil respect in them. If they are karmically connected to our Guru, they will come; if they are karmically connected to another Guru, then they will meet. Our deferential actions, our respectful actions will lead them to find the Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:49 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A8 : Two things happen as a result. One is, you send a message to yourself to be respectful and you send a message to another person of how fortunate they would be to receive teachings from a Guru. Seeing your respect will instil respect in them. If they are karmically connected to your Guru, they will come; if they are karmically connected to another Guru, then they will meet. Whatever it is, your deferential actions, your respectful actions will lead them to find the Dharma.

The key point is not they meet your Guru; the key point is that they meet the Dharma through any Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:49 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A7 : As it says in the 50 Verses by the great pandita Ashvagosha, when speaking about your Guru to others, one should never just address your Guru by his name So-and-So. One should always honour and add an honorific title before his name when you mention him to others, and fold your hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:49 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A8: When we show such high respect to others, then this will instill respect in them towards our Guru and to the Dharma. They will be blessed as well and will lead them to the Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:48 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A7 : If you develop a consistent, positive relationship with your Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will develop in your consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Elaine: A8 The Guru represents the dharma and all the attainments we wish to achieve. When we address our Guru in a respectful manner, it reminds ourselves and others to also be respectful to the Guru thus creating a connection to a Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A8. Two things happen as a result. One is, you send a message to yourself to be respectful and you send a message to another person of how fortunate they would be to receive teachings from a Guru. Seeing your respect will instil respect in them. If they are karmically connected to your Guru, they will come; if they are karmically connected to another Guru, then they will meet. Whatever it is, your deferential actions, your respectful actions will lead them to find the Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8
25 Sep 20, 10:47 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: When we address our Guru, we should always honour and add an honorific title before his name and fold our hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:46 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A5 : You have been scolded and complimented and blessed to develop your mind. Since you met your Guru, you have been pushed, goaded, prodded, encouraged, rewarded to improve your mind.
25 Sep 20, 10:46 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q8. What is the result of speaking about and addressing one’s Guru this way?
25 Sep 20, 10:46 PM
Jacinta: A7. An honorific title should be used when we address our Guru's name, especially in front of others combined with folded hands. For example, we should use 'His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche' when we are talking about our Guru to others..
25 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: If we develop consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
CarynW: A7. An honorific title be added before the Guru’s name and fold your hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A7.One should always honour and add an honorific title before his name when we address him or mention him to others, and fold our hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:45 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A4 : Guru taught you mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness, patience
25 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7 : As it says in the 50 Verses by the great pandita Ashvagosha, when speaking about your Guru to others, one should never just address your Guru by his name So-and-So. One should always honour and add an honorific title before his name when you mention him to others, and fold your hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7: We must fold our hand reverently and address our Guru with proper honorifics such as His Eminence.
25 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Cc: A7. Add a title. His Eminence or honorific May be use
25 Sep 20, 10:44 PM
Elaine: A7 We should never address our Guru by his first name but with the honorific title in front of his name.
25 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A7. As it says in the 50 Verses by the great pandita Ashvagosha, when speaking about your Guru to others, one should never just address your Guru by his name So-and-So. One should always honour and add an honorific title before his name when you mention him to others, and fold your hands in reverence.
25 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
CarynW: A6. The positive and consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:43 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q7. According to the 50 verses by the great Ashvagosha, how should one address one’s Guru?
25 Sep 20, 10:42 PM
Cc: A6. If we develop a consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A6. If we develop a consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6: If we develop a consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, our conciousness will naturally grow in our mind.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
yew seng: A6) If we develop a consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will also develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6 : If we develop a consistent, positive relationship with our Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A3 : Because the most sacred achievement we can have is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out. And as you do that more, you will see your unhappiness lessen, your depressions lessen, your sense of self-depreciation, lack of appreciation and low esteem become less
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Jacinta: A6. A positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:41 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A6. You should respect, you should have a relationship with your Guru different than any relationship you’ve had with other people because your relationship with your Guru is like no other person in your life. If you develop a consistent, positive relationship with your Guru, then the positive, consistent mind will develop in your consciousness.
25 Sep 20, 10:40 PM
Elaine: A6 By maintaining a positive relationship with our Guru a positive, consistent mind will develop in our consciousness as he teaches us how to apply the dharma in practical terms.
25 Sep 20, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. How will you benefit if you develop a consistent, positive relationship with your Guru?
25 Sep 20, 10:39 PM
CarynW: A5. Only a Guru would not hesitate to scold us and push us and drive us to transform our mind.
25 Sep 20, 10:38 PM
Cc: A5. Guru use skilful means to encourage, pushes us to improve our mind and transform.
25 Sep 20, 10:37 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5 : Guru pushed, goaded, prodded, encouraged, rewarded us to improve our mind.
25 Sep 20, 10:37 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A5. Furthermore, we have been scolded and complimented and blessed to develop our minds. We have been pushed, goaded, prodded, encouraged and rewarded to improve our minds.Only our Guru had the knowledge, wisdom and the out-of-samsara mind to do that for us.
25 Sep 20, 10:37 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: Our highly attained Guru has skillfully trained us in an unconventional way to develop our mind, not like other people including our most loved ones.
25 Sep 20, 10:36 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A5: No one else can do what our Guru does for us and this is very clear - he brings teachings of Buddha direct to us and in a very skillful way - such as scolding, complimenting and the teachings are customized according to our capacity to learn and transform.
25 Sep 20, 10:35 PM
Elaine: A5 Through the Guru's wisdom, we have been taught mind development, received training by way of encouragement, scolding, ie pushed to achieve things we would never have achieved without a Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:35 PM
Jacinta: A5: Scolding.... But at the same time, it comes with blessing and wisdom. Guru pushes our button. Someone who dares to press on us and yet is extremely kind is done our of Bodhicitta. Solely for the benefit of us.
25 Sep 20, 10:34 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A5. And after you have met your Guru, what have you been taught, what have you been pushed to do, what have you been trained to do, what have you been scolded, what have you been complimented on? You have been scolded and complimented and blessed to develop your mind. Since you met your Guru, you have been pushed, goaded, prodded, encouraged, rewarded to improve your mind. Prior to this, who has done that for you? Who had the knowledge to do that for you? Who had the wisdom to do that for you? Who had the out-of-samsara mind to do that for you? Since prior to your Guru no one has given you this type of mind transformation teachings, to think higher, to think of others, to think further, then your Guru is a treasury of Dharma.
25 Sep 20, 10:33 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A2 : Anything from your Guru lessens your delusions, if you accept. Anything towards your Guru lessens your delusions and illusions. Anything from your Guru, lessens it; anything towards your Guru, lessens it. Therefore how you behave and act with your Guru is very different than any relationship you’ve had in the past. Therefore the relationship with your Guru is sacred.
25 Sep 20, 10:33 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q5. What else has a Guru done that you will not ever receive from anyone else? Why?
25 Sep 20, 10:32 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A4 : Guru taught us mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness, patience
25 Sep 20, 10:32 PM
Cc: A4. Mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness and patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
yew seng: A4) Our guru has taught us mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness and patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A4: Our Guru teaches us the mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness, patience and many more.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
Jacinta: A4. Mind transformation. We must be more tolerance, patience, kind, have compassion, focus out and generally thinking of others more.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A5
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): A1 : We should never react to your Guru as you have reacted in the past to other beings you have encountered because the other beings that you have encountered are just as deluded as you.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
Tsa Tsa Anne (KISG): A4. If you have done more positive things after you have met your Guru, then that is clear evidence, logical evidence to you that your relationship with your Guru results in positive actions, positive transformation. Has anyone in your life prior to your Guru taught you mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness, patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A4: Our Guru teaches us : mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness and patience and many other positive actions.
25 Sep 20, 10:30 PM
CarynW: A4. Mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness and patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:30 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A4. Mind training, transformation, compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness and patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:30 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A3: Our relationship with our Guru is sacred because our Guru's teachings able to transform our mind from selfish, self-centric person to someone who can think of others and focus out. Our unhappiness, depressions, sense of self-depreciation, lack of appreciation and low esteem will become less. As we perform more positive activities, it reinforces the positive mind. The positive activities come from our Guru.
25 Sep 20, 10:29 PM
Elaine: A4 The Guru teaches actions that result in mind transformation, developing compassion, tolerance, Bodhicitta, acceptance of others, forgiveness, patience.
25 Sep 20, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q4. What are some of the important things that your Guru teaches you?
25 Sep 20, 10:29 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Grace.
25 Sep 20, 10:28 PM
Jacinta: Hi Grace
25 Sep 20, 10:28 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A3. It is sacred because it leads to the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out. From him comes all the positive activities that reinforce our positive mind . This positive mind will see our unhappiness lessen, our depressions lessen, our sense of self-depreciation, lack of appreciation and low esteem become less.
25 Sep 20, 10:27 PM
Grace Leu ( KHJB): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in chat room. Sorry being late.
25 Sep 20, 10:27 PM
CarynW: A3. Because it transforms our mind and actions to become selfless.
25 Sep 20, 10:26 PM
Jacinta: A3. It's sacred because anything done in relationship with our Guru will lessen our delusions and will change us from a self centric person to a person who focuses out.
25 Sep 20, 10:26 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A3: The relationship with our Guru is a sacred one. This is because it is our Guru who helps us to transform our mind such that more positive actions are generated and lessen our negative actions. The ultimate achievement we can have is mind transformation and that can only come from our Guru's actions.
25 Sep 20, 10:25 PM
Cc: A3. Sacred. Because the most sacred achievement we can have is the transformation of our mind from that of a selfish, self-centric person to that of a person who thinks of others and focuses out.
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