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19 Oct 17, 11:20 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:12 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:11 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:10 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: Given that it is past 11pm now, we shall end the session. Please do read on about Morchen Kunga Lundrub and Sakya Trizing Kunga Lodro's links with Dorje Shugden.
19 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
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19 Oct 17, 11:07 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Sorry as i have to leave the chat room now. Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead.
19 Oct 17, 11:07 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A17: Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen had composed prayers to Dorje Shugden called Request to the King to Eliminate False Guides. Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen had offered basal substances at a new Protector temple and enthroned Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas. Subsequently, Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen had worshiped Dorje Shugden together with Lord Setrap and Tsi'i Marpo where the three Protectors are known as the Three Kings or Gyalpo Sum. During that time, Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen was proliferating Dorje Shugden as Dorje Shugden Tanag, in the form of riding on a black horse.
19 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
shelly tai: Q17: Sakya Trizin Sonam Richen would later compose prayers to DS called Request to the king to eliminate false guide he was said to have offered basal substances at a newly established protector temple and enthroned DS as the protector of Sakya.
19 Oct 17, 11:04 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen would later compose prayers to Dorje Shugden,offer basal substances at a newly established Protector temple and enthrone Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas.. Later, Sonam Rinchen was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo). Collectively, they were known as the “Three Kings” or Gyalpo Sum.
19 Oct 17, 11:04 PM
Fong: Q17. What would later occur after Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen has sealed a powerful covenant between Dorje Shugden and himself?
- Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen later composed prayers to Dorje Shugden called Request to the King to Eliminate False Guides.
- He offered basal substances at a newly established Protector temple and enthroned Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas.
- he worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo) known as the Gyalpo Sum
- he worshipped Dorje Shugden in the form that rides on a black horse known as Dorje Shugden Tanag.
19 Oct 17, 11:04 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: He was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with Setrap and Tsi 'u Marpo who they known as three kings or Gyalpo Sum
19 Oct 17, 11:03 PM
cc: A17.after Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen has sealed a powerful covenant between Dorje Shugden and himself,he was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo). Collectively, they were known as the “Three Kings” or Gyalpo Sum. At this time, Sonam Rinchen was proliferating Dorje Shugden in the form that rides on a black horse known as Dorje Shugden Tanag.
19 Oct 17, 11:03 PM
TekLee: Ans 16: After Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen has sealed the powerful convenant bwtween DOrje Shugden and him self, he composed prayers to Dorje Shugden called Request to the King to Eliminate False Guides. He was said to have offered basal substances at a newly established Protector temple and enthroned Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas. Later, Sonam Rinchen was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo). Collectively, they were known as the “Three Kings” or Gyalpo Sum. At this time, Sonam Rinchen was proliferating Dorje Shugden in the form that rides on a black horse known as Dorje Shugden Tanag.
19 Oct 17, 11:03 PM
graceleong: Q17. What would later occur after Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen has sealed a powerful covenant between Dorje Shugden and himself? A: Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen composed prayers to Dorje Shugden called Request to the King to Eliminate False Guides. He was said to have offered basal substances at a newly established Protector temple and enthroned Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas. Later, Sonam Rinchen was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo). Collectively, they were known as the “Three Kings” or Gyalpo Sum.
19 Oct 17, 11:02 PM
Elaine: Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen would later compose prayers to Dorje Shugden called Request to the King to Eliminate False Guides. He was said to have offered basal substances at a newly established Protector temple and enthroned Dorje Shugden as the Protector of the Sakyas. Later, Sonam Rinchen was said to have worshiped Dorje Shugden together with two other Protectors, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo). Collectively, they were known as the “Three Kings” or Gyalpo Sum. At this time, Sonam Rinchen was proliferating Dorje Shugden in the form that rides on a black horse known as Dorje Shugden Tanag.
19 Oct 17, 11:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: Skipping Q16. Q17. What would later occur after Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen has sealed a powerful covenant between Dorje Shugden and himself?
19 Oct 17, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: A few have answered Q16 too :)
19 Oct 17, 11:00 PM
shelly tai: Q15: According to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche DS first appeared to Sakya TRizin Sonam Richen when he was only 17 years old. At that time, he was in the midst of giving teaching on Lamdre, the path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas. A rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner .
19 Oct 17, 10:58 PM
Caryn: Good night Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in the chat room. Rest well and have a good weekend ahead.
19 Oct 17, 10:57 PM
Elaine: On another occasion, a manifestation of a red arm appeared in his private chambers and to which, he asked, “What do you want?” A voice responded, “The previous lamas sought to practice me amongst the pantheon of Dharma protectors so I wish to be enthroned as a Dharma protector and I would like to have hand implements and symbols!” Therefore, Sonam Rinchen said, “Well, this is the heart of all beings.” The lama took his own leftover food and rolled it into a ball and placed it in Dorje Shugden’s hand. The ball transformed into an actual human heart, which sealed a powerful covenant between the lama and Dorje Shugden.
19 Oct 17, 10:57 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A15: Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen when Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen, who was 17 years old at that time, was giving the teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings to a group of Nyingmas. During the middle of the teaching, a rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. On that night, Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of SAkya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him informing that He is Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:57 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good night Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room. Gotta sign off now. Great learning and look forward to another session next week. Have a great weekend everyone.
19 Oct 17, 10:56 PM
Fong: Q15. Describe how Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen.
- Dorje Shugden first rained stones and other manifestations during Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen's teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas.
- That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner. {br]- On another occasion, a manifestation of a red arm appeared in his private chambers and to which, he asked, “What do you want?” A voice responded, “The previous lamas sought to practice me amongst the pantheon of Dharma protectors so I wish to be enthroned as a Dharma protector and I would like to have hand implements and symbols!”
- Therefore, Sonam Rinchen said, “Well, this is the heart of all beings.” The lama took his own leftover food and rolled it into a ball and placed it in Dorje Shugden’s hand. The ball transformed into an actual human heart, which sealed a powerful covenant between the lama and Dorje Shugden.
19 Oct 17, 10:55 PM
graceleong: Q15. Describe how Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen. A: Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen was 17 years at that time and he was in the midst of giving teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas. A rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
Jacinta: Q15. Describe how Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen. Ans: According to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen (1705-1741) when he was only 17 years old. At that time, he was in the midst of giving teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas. A rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A15: DS first appeared to Sonam RInchen when he was 17 years old. The incident was accompanied by a rain of stones and other manifestations during the Lamdre teaching given by Sonam RInchen. In addition, Sonam Rinchen was walling towards Tse Chen Temple and a monk (with many eyes) appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:52 PM
Caryn: A15: Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen (1705-1741) when he was only 17 years old. At that time, he was in the midst of giving teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas. A rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:52 PM
cc: A15. According to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen (1705-1741) when he was only 17 years old. At that time, he was in the midst of giving teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas. A rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he is a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:52 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 17.While the 17 year old Trizin Sonam Rinchen was in the midst of giving teachings on Lamdre, the Path and the Fruit teachings, to a gathering of Nyingmas.,a rain of stones and other manifestations accompanied the teaching. That night, the lama dreamt that he was walking towards Tse Chen Temple of Sakya Puntsog Ling and a figure of a monk with many eyes appeared to him announcing that he was a Gaden practitioner.
19 Oct 17, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q15. Describe how Dorje Shugden first appeared to Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen.
19 Oct 17, 10:50 PM
Jacinta: Q14. Who were two famous previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden/Tullku Drakpa Gyaltsen who were Sakyas?Ans:Sakya Pandita and Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:49 PM
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19 Oct 17, 10:49 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A14: The two famous previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden who were also Sakyas, are Sakya Pandita and Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:48 PM
Elaine: Dorje Shugden’s previous incarnations as Sakya Pandita and also as Buton Rinchen Drub who were two great Sakya lamas.
19 Oct 17, 10:48 PM
Jacinta: sorry Moderator, was away for awhile
19 Oct 17, 10:47 PM
Caryn: A14: 1) Sakya Pandita and 2) Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:47 PM
Fong: Q14. Who were two famous previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden/Tullku Drakpa Gyaltsen who were Sakyas?
- Sakya Pandita and
- Buton Rinchen Drub
19 Oct 17, 10:47 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: Sakya Pandita and also known as Buton Rinchen Drub
19 Oct 17, 10:47 PM
shelly tai: Q14: Sakya Pandita and also as Buton Richen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:46 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A14: The famous incarnations of DS was Sakya Pandita and Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:46 PM
cc: Dorje Shugden’s connection with the Sakya School began hundreds of years ago during his previous lifetimes as Sakya Pandita and also as Buton Rinchen Drub
19 Oct 17, 10:46 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 14.Sakya Pandita and also as Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:45 PM
graceleong: Q13. Why and who enthroned Dorje Shugden as a protector of the Sakyas? A: The 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen enthroned Dorje Shugden as a Protector of the Sakyas after Dorje Shugden manifested signs before him. . Thus, the Sakyas first practiced Dorje Shugden before the practice spread to other traditions
19 Oct 17, 10:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q14. Who were two famous previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden/Tullku Drakpa Gyaltsen who were Sakyas?
19 Oct 17, 10:43 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A13: Previous Dorje Shugden's incarnation was Sakya Pandita. At Sakya, Dorje Shugden manifested signs before the 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen, who was the 17 years old of supreme throne holder of the Sakyas at that time. Owing to that, the 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen enthroned Dorje Shugden as protector of the Sakyas.
19 Oct 17, 10:43 PM
shelly tai: Q13: 30th Trizin Sonam Richen who at the time was 17 year old supreme throne holder of Sakya.
19 Oct 17, 10:43 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen enthroned Dorje Shugden as protector of Sakyas.
19 Oct 17, 10:43 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 13. DS had manifested signs before the 30th Sakya Trizin.
19 Oct 17, 10:42 PM
Caryn: A13: The 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen, who at that time was the 17-year old supreme throne holder of the Sakyas enthroned Dorje Shugden as protector of the Sakyas as he manifested signs before the 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen.
19 Oct 17, 10:42 PM
cc: A13.30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen, who at that time was the 17-year old supreme throne holder of the Sakyas
19 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A13: The reason DS was enthroned as protector of the Sakayas was when he manifested signs in front of the 30th Sakya Trizin. The Trizin, Sonam Rinchen, then enthroned DS as the protector of the Sakyas.
19 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen, who at that time was 17-year old .
19 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
Fong: Q13. Why and who enthroned Dorje Shugden as a protector of the Sakyas?
- 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen enthroned Dorje Shugden as a protector of the Sakyas
- as he manifested signs before the 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen at Sakya
19 Oct 17, 10:38 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 12. In the Dorje Shugden’s fulfillment (kangsol) puja ,in the invocation prayer, one of the sites that we call upon Dorje Shugden to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung.The first thought of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen after arising as the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden was his lama, Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen after remembering his kindness.When he arrived at Tashi Lhhunpo,, he beheld the Eight Horse Lords of Vaishravana who seemed to be holding hands along the circumambulation path encircling Tashi Lhunpo in a protective manner, thus indicating that it was not the right time to enter the monastery. He realized that it was more auspicious to travel to Sakya instead and so, he immediately took off and traveled to Sakya instead due to affinity made during his previous incarnation as Sakya Pandit
19 Oct 17, 10:38 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q13. Why and who enthroned Dorje Shugden as a protector of the Sakyas?
19 Oct 17, 10:37 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A12: In the invocation prayer of Dorje Shugden's fulfillment puja, one of the sites that we call upon Dorje Shugden to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung.
19 Oct 17, 10:37 PM
Fong: @graceleong _/|\_
19 Oct 17, 10:37 PM
Elaine: Further evidence of the popularity of this practice within the Sakya tradition is the surviving thangkas of Dorje Shugden.
19 Oct 17, 10:35 PM
graceleong: @Fong. Yes you have explained it very extensively. TQ !!
19 Oct 17, 10:34 PM
Caryn: A12: The whole practice of Dorje Shugden is centered at the Protector temple Mug Chung in the great Sakya Monastery. Hence, when Dorje Shugden is invoked in our pujas today, he is requested to come forth from various place including this temple in Sakya.
19 Oct 17, 10:34 PM
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19 Oct 17, 10:33 PM
Fong: Q12. How do we know that Dorje Shugden was first practiced within the great Sakya tradition?
- 30th Sakya Trizin Sonam Rinchen enthroned Dorje Shugden as a protector of the Sakyas.
- In the invocation prayer, one of the sites that we call upon Dorje Shugden to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung
- Dorje Shugden’s connection with the Sakya School began hundreds of years ago during his previous lifetimes as Sakya Pandita and also as Buton Rinchen Drub.
19 Oct 17, 10:33 PM
shelly tai: Q12: In our tradition of DS puja one of the site that we call upon DS to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung, It is well known to many practitioners that DS was first practiced within the great Sakya tradition.
19 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
graceleong: Q12. How do we know that Dorje Shugden was first practiced within the great Sakya tradition? A: In our tradition of Dorje Shugden’s fulfillment (kangsol) puja, the invocation of Dorje Shugden begins with the recitation of the invocation prayer, one of the sites that we call upon Dorje Shugden to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung. This tells you where the propitiation of DS started.
19 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
cc: Dorje Shugden is centered at the Protector temple Mug Chung in the great Sakya Monastery
19 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
TekLee: Ans 12: During Dorje Shugden Kangsol, in the invocation prayer, we call upon Dorje Shugden to come forth from is the Sakya temple at Mug Chung. It shows that Dorje Shugden was first practiced within the great Sakya tradition.
19 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
cc: A12. From the writings of several Sakya Trizins, it is evident that Dorje Shugden was widely practiced and proliferated within the Sakya tradition. This fact is also reiterated within the writings of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in his seminal work on Dorje Shugden entitled, Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors. In fact, the 31st and 37th Sakya Trizin were recognised to be the incarnations of Dorje Shugden himself.
19 Oct 17, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A12: In the invocation prayers of Dorje Shugden, He is called upon to come forth from Sakya Temple at Mug Chung.
19 Oct 17, 10:30 PM
cc: I like Citipatti... :)
19 Oct 17, 10:30 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: The wisdom protectors are Panjaranata Mahakala, Citipati and four faced Mahakala
19 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q12. How do we know that Dorje Shugden was first practiced within the great Sakya tradition?
19 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Sorry, error
19 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q11. What other tantric systems are primary to the Sakya tradition and who are their wisdom protectors?
19 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
cc: A11. The other tantric systems are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. The wisdom protectors are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A11: Other tantric systems which are primary to the Sakya traditions, are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. The wisdom protectors propitiated in the Sakya lineage are Panjaranata Mahakala who is the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras, Citipati who is the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras and Four-Faced Mahakala, who is the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras.
19 Oct 17, 10:28 PM
cc: @Lum yes Black manjushri....
19 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
TekLee: Ans 11: Other tantric systems that are primary to Skya are he Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. The Wisdom protectors are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: Beside Varjayogini Tantras, Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja tantra are primary to Sakya tradition.
19 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
shelly tai: Q11:Other Higher Tantric system that play a major role in the Sakya lineage are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras, the wisdom protectors are Panjaranata Mahakala, Citipati, and Four Faced Mahakala.
19 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
cc: A10. 13 Golden Dharma consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
Pastor Han Nee: These are the Higher Tantras and include the Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. Hence, the important wisdom protectors propitiated in the lineage are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
Fong: Q11. What other tantric systems are primary to the Sakya tradition and who are their wisdom protectors?
Higher Tantric systems that play a major role in the Sakya School besides the Vajrayogini Tantras already featured in the 13 Golden Dharmas include the Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras.

the important wisdom protectors propitiated in the lineage are:-
- Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras),
- Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and
- Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
graceleong: Q11. What other tantric systems are primary to the Sakya tradition and who are their wisdom protectors? A: The other Tantric systems are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. The wisdom protectors propitiated are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras), Palden Lhamo, Ekajati, and Chamsing – Dorje Shugden, Setrap and Tsi’u Marpo (Kache Marpo).
19 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
cc: A9.Because lots of gold were offered as offering that's why is called "Golden"
19 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A11: The other tantric systems are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja tantras.
19 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Callista: A11:These include the Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. Hence, the important wisdom protectors propitiated in the lineage are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Caryn: A11: The other tantric systems are Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. The wisdom protectors are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:24 PM
Elaine: Several other important Higher Tantric systems that play a major role in the Sakya School besides the Vajrayogini Tantras already featured in the 13 Golden Dharmas. These include the Hevajra, Vajrakilaya and Guhyasamaja Tantras. Hence, the important wisdom protectors propitiated in the lineage are Panjaranata Mahakala (the main protector of the Hevajra Tantras), Citipati (the protectors of the Vajrayogini Tantras), and Four-Faced Mahakala (the protector of the Guhyasamaja Tantras).
19 Oct 17, 10:23 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: Typo error -Naro
19 Oct 17, 10:23 PM
Choong_Moderator: Very good. Q11. What other tantric systems are primary to the Sakya tradition and who are their wisdom protectors?
19 Oct 17, 10:23 PM
cc: Hi Rinpoche and everyone.
19 Oct 17, 10:22 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Dear people who are new, we are still in the Intro section under Special Teachings
19 Oct 17, 10:21 PM
Fong: Yellow Jambala is the manifestation of Buddha Ratnasambhava If one has trouble with finance or anything, one can chant his mantra and he will come and help

Red Jambhala is the manifisation of Vajrasattva. If one chants his mantra sincerely , one will be protected by him and also gain wealth and one can lead a very good life and become popular .
19 Oct 17, 10:21 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: Three Varjayogini initiation-the NATO, Indra & Maitri,three Great Red ones-Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati&Takiraja,Three small red one-Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara& Tinuma. Four empowerment -Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, black Manjushri and Red Dzambala
19 Oct 17, 10:21 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, you can read more about the different aspects of Dzambhala here: https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=294
19 Oct 17, 10:20 PM
Jacinta: yes!!! @graceleong: Some of these teachings Rinpoche has taught in this blog ! Fabulous !!
19 Oct 17, 10:19 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Pastor David Lai shared the Black Manjushri in KFR about two years ago.
19 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A10: The 13 Golden Dharmas consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations - the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones - Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, the Three Small Red Ones - Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments which are Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
graceleong: Some of these teachings Rinpoche has taught in this blog ! Fabulous !!
19 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
Lum Kok Luen: What is the difference between Yellow Dzambala and Red Dzambala?
19 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
Callista: A10:The 13 consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 10. The 13 Golden Dharma consists of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle,Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Elaine: 13 Golden Dharmas consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
graceleong: Q10. What do they (The 13 Golden Dharmas) consist of? A : The 13 Golden Dharma consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Fong: Q10. What do they (The 13 Golden Dharmas) consist of?
- The 13 consist of: -
- Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions,
- the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja,
- Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and
- the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Wow - the 13 Golden Dharma, from the names, tell us of how valuable the teachings are!
19 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Jacinta: Q10. What do they (The 13 Golden Dharmas) consist of? ans: the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:16 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A10" The 13 Golden Dharma consists of 3 Vajrayogini initiations (Naro, Indra & Maitri traditions), Three Great Red Ones (Kurukulle, Maharakta, Ganapati & Takiraja), the Three Small Red Ones (Kurukulle, Red Vaasudhara & Tinuma and Four Empowerments (Singahananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Garuda, Manjushrio and Red Dzambala).
19 Oct 17, 10:15 PM
Caryn: A10: The 13 Golden Dharmas consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:15 PM
TekLee: Ans 10: The 13 GOlden Dharma consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
19 Oct 17, 10:14 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q10. What do they (The 13 Golden Dharmas) consist of?
19 Oct 17, 10:14 PM
Fong: Q9. Why are the Sakya teachings (The 13 Golden Dharmas) called "Golden"?
- This is because in the past, those seeking these initiations would offer lots of gold as an offering in reflection of how highly prized these teachings are.
19 Oct 17, 10:13 PM
shelly tai: Q9: In the past those who seeking initiations would offer lots of gold as an offering
19 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
Caryn: Yes Choong.
19 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Yes Choong. We are at the portion next to Maharakta Ganapati image in the article
19 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
graceleong: Q9. Why are the Sakya teachings (The 13 Golden Dharmas) called "Golden"? A: In the past people used Gold as the gauge to assess the degree of "preciousness"
19 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
shelly tai: Good Evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
19 Oct 17, 10:11 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Yes.
19 Oct 17, 10:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: Does everyone know where we are in the article?
19 Oct 17, 10:10 PM
Jacinta: Q9. Why are the Sakya teachings (The 13 Golden Dharmas) called "Golden"? Ans: Usually gold is considered as something precious and valuable. As Dharma is precious, gold is being offered in order to get teachings/initiations. This is the reason it is termed as Golden Dharmas
19 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
Elaine: It is because those seeking the initiations would offer lots of gold as an offering in reflection of how highly prized these teachings are.
19 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
TekLee: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Moderator Choong and everyone _/\_
19 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 9. Golden because they are precious and a lot of gold was given as offerings for them.
19 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: The Sakya teachings, which are the 13 Golden Dharmas called Golden because in those days, practitioners who were seeking these initiations would offer a lot of gold as an offering as representation of the preciousness of these teachings.
19 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right @Caryn, its preciousness meant that it was described as being "golden".
19 Oct 17, 10:08 PM
Caryn: A9: Lots of gold were offered as offering by those seeking the teachings in reflection of how highly prized the teachings are. Hence, the name “Golden” is called.
19 Oct 17, 10:07 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9: The teachings are called Golden as the disciples would offer gold to get the teachings and initiations. This demonstrates how prized the teachings are. Hence, they were known as the Golden Dharma.
19 Oct 17, 10:06 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good evening Rinpoche. Hello Choong and everyone.
19 Oct 17, 10:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q9. Why are the Sakya teachings (The 13 Golden Dharmas) called "Golden"?
19 Oct 17, 10:04 PM
Elaine: Evening everyone
19 Oct 17, 10:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: Let's begin
19 Oct 17, 10:03 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room.
19 Oct 17, 10:02 PM
Callista: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastors and everyone
19 Oct 17, 10:02 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Rinpoche and others
19 Oct 17, 10:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hello everyone
19 Oct 17, 10:00 PM
Grace Leu KHJB: Hi, Good evening, dear all
19 Oct 17, 10:00 PM
Caryn: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in the chat room.
19 Oct 17, 09:58 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in chat room
19 Oct 17, 09:58 PM
Fong: Good evevning, Rinpoche, Choong_Moderator, room
19 Oct 17, 09:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last week we stopped at the point in the article which described the 13 Golden Dharmas of the Sakya tradition as a special cycle of initiations that are especially treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders. These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by the great Sachen Kunga Nyinpo.
19 Oct 17, 09:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Good evening Rinpoche. We will be continuing our chat on the article "The Sakya Lineage and Dorje Shugden from last week, shortly, 10pm Kuala Lumpur (+8 GMT) right here on blogchat. http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-sakya-lineage-dorje-shugden.html
19 Oct 17, 08:15 PM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/GadenTri1-2-768x1024.jpeg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/GadenTri2-2-768x1024.jpeg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/gaden-trisur-kechara-2.jpeg [Sharing H.E. Tsem Rinpoche's message]
Recently Beng Kooi and Martin on behalf of myself and Kechara was lucky to have audience with His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal of Gaden Shartse Monastery. He lives in around Paris, France. His Holiness is 91 years old and very healthy and alert. He was the 101st throne holder for Tsongkapa and was the head of the Gelugpa school of Buddhism and was very successful during his tenure. He is a strong practitioner of both Sutra and Tantra of Je Tsongkapa's tradition and a master of all Buddhist knowledge. He holds steadfast to his protector Dorje Shugden very strongly. So we can see even the highest throneholders who are masters of Sutra and Tantra also practices Dorje Shugden knowing the benefits.

Beng Kooi and Martin brought photo albums of Kechara Forest Retreat/Kechara and updates on Kechara and our works. His Holiness was very pleased to listen and offered some gifts back.

This is a beautiful picture and the great blessings bestowed on us from His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal.

Humbly,
Tsem Rinpoche
19 Oct 17, 06:26 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8zl9fnpzk3607.jpg Dear friends, This meme is powerful. Who you hang around with and the types of attitude they have is who you will be influenced by many times and who you will become in the future. Look at your friends and the people that always surround you to know who you will become. Tsem Rinpoche
19 Oct 17, 11:15 AM
jerry_sito: Question : Is Dorje Shugden the same as Avaloketishovara Buddhisattva? Or they are two different Buddhisattvas? #Answer 👉 In some traditions Dorje Shugden is considered to be Avalokitesvara. But most traditions see him as Manjushri. Since Manjushri has great compassion, then Manjushri has qualities of Avalokitesvara also. Therefore you can consider Dorje Shugden same as Avalokitesvara. All Buddhas have the same quality mind and they are equal in any case. ~ H.E. The 25th Tsem Rinpoche ( http://bit.ly/2hQPMki ) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMd23JCVQAAhNym.jpg
19 Oct 17, 10:38 AM
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19 Oct 17, 10:37 AM
jerry_sito: Without the permission of my guru, I may not abandon any meditations, prayers, yogas and paths given to me by him. No other guru may override my guru’s instructions to me. ~H.E. The 25th Tsem Rinpoche #ClickHere 👉 http://bit.ly/2guiolF ☀️ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL6G6D8VQAASd0F.jpg
19 Oct 17, 10:36 AM
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18 Oct 17, 08:50 PM
Liang Jing: 2. What are Oracles and Trances?ANS Oracle is medium take trance of enlighten and non enlighten deities. Trance is deitie enter oracles body to give prophesies
18 Oct 17, 08:50 PM
Liang Jing: Q3 Seven Blazing Brothers who arose from the Tsiu Marpo pantheon and belongs to the ‘tsen‘ classification of Protectors. Prior to the 17th century, Kache Marpo was typically depicted as a minor figure until His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama popularized his practice during his reign.
18 Oct 17, 11:46 AM
jerry_sito: “I’m going to sit on this throne with the motivation that I will benefit others.” ~ H.E. The 25th Tsem Rinpoche https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4-lACkBig&feature=youtu.be
18 Oct 17, 11:45 AM
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18 Oct 17, 11:45 AM
jerry_sito: It is a privilege to serve the Dharma and to serve others. Real freedom comes in serving others. ~H.E. The 25th Tsem Rinpoche #ReadMore 👉 http://bit.ly/IGoGch 🌳 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMY6-BmVoAIJIOy.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMY6-D5UQAA0-Tv.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMY7NaZUEAA7JC3.jpg
18 Oct 17, 08:18 AM
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18 Oct 17, 08:18 AM
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17 Oct 17, 10:49 AM
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17 Oct 17, 10:49 AM
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17 Oct 17, 10:48 AM
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16 Oct 17, 12:21 PM
jerry_sito: Long Life Prayer for H.E.The 25th Tsem Rinpoche's 尊贵的第廿五世詹杜固仁波切长寿祈愿文 👉 http://bit.ly/1coXDRs 🐘🐘 OM AH GURU KIRTI DAZA SHASANA DARA KYANDI SIDDHI HUNG HUNG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJKwQ3sUMAA4Ts5.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKDWstPVwAANZCV.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKDWtuBUMAAn6av.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKDWuuXU8AAPqxt.jpg
16 Oct 17, 12:20 PM
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16 Oct 17, 12:20 PM
jerry_sito: Is Dorje Shugden A Demon or Buddha? #ReadMore 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=MJ4KKsU13Vc
16 Oct 17, 12:18 PM
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16 Oct 17, 12:18 PM
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15 Oct 17, 10:05 PM
Pavara Lam k: good night everyone!
15 Oct 17, 10:03 PM
Naomi: Thanks nick
15 Oct 17, 10:02 PM
Jutika Lam: Thank you Nicklaus for moderating.
15 Oct 17, 10:02 PM
Nicklaus: thank you for joining
15 Oct 17, 10:02 PM
Nicklaus: Alright guys that is it for tonight's blog chat
15 Oct 17, 09:59 PM
Jutika Lam: What's the history of Kache Marpo? Kache Marpo was installed as one of the Dharma Protectors in Samye Monastery by Guru Rinpoche in the past, as one of the protective divinities to help increase the growth of Dharma in the country of Tibet and the surrounding areas. Kache Marpo is considered an emanation of Hayagriva, which makes him a fully accomplished enlightened being and also a Buddha who appears in a worldly form.
15 Oct 17, 09:59 PM
Naomi: Kache Marpo is one of the Seven Blazing Brothers who arose from the Tsiu Marpo pantheon and belongs to the ‘tsen‘ classification of Protectors. Prior to the 17th century, Kache Marpo was typically depicted as a minor figure until His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama popularized his practice during his reign.
15 Oct 17, 09:59 PM
Nicklaus: 3. What's the history of Kache Marpo? ANS: Kache Marpo is one of the Seven Blazing Brothers who arose from the Tsiu Marpo pantheon and belongs to the ‘tsen‘ classification of Protectors. Kache Marpo was initially depicted as minor figure until his Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama ppopularized his practice during his reign.
15 Oct 17, 09:59 PM
Edward Ooi: 3. What's the history Kache Marpo? Answer: Kache Marpo is one of the Seven Blazing Brothers who arose from the Tsiu Marpo pantheon and belongs to the ‘tsen‘ classification of Protectors. Prior to the 17th century, Kache Marpo was typically depicted as a minor figure until His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama popularized his practice during his reign.
15 Oct 17, 09:52 PM
Naomi: 2. What are Oracles and Trances? ANS: an Oracle is someone trained who can take trances that can both be enlightened or non enlightened. Trances are a half-conscious state characterized by an absence of response to external stimuli, typically as induced by hypnosis or entered by a medium.
15 Oct 17, 09:50 PM
Nicklaus: 3. What's the history of Kache Marpo?
15 Oct 17, 09:49 PM
Nicklaus: 3. What's the history Kache Marpo?
15 Oct 17, 09:49 PM
Pavara Lam k: 2. What are Oracles and Trances? Ans: An oracle is a trained person who can take trances of enlightened or unenlightened deities.
15 Oct 17, 09:49 PM
Nicklaus: 2. What are Oracles and Trances? ANS: As described by google, the definition for Oracle is a priest or priestess acting as a medium through whom advice or prophecy was sought from the gods in classical antiquity. Trances are when a half-conscious state characterized by an absence of response to external stimuli, typically as induced by hypnosis or entered by a medium.
15 Oct 17, 09:47 PM
Beatrix: 2. What are Oracles and Trances? Answer: An oracle (medium) is someone who takes trance of certain deities. It can be for curing someone or to obtain prophecies to make plans for the future. Trances is the process of oracles in trance.
15 Oct 17, 09:47 PM
Edward Ooi: Answer: An oracle is medium who takes trance of deities that can be both enlightened and non-enlightened beings.
15 Oct 17, 09:40 PM
Nicklaus: 2. What are Oracles and Trances?
15 Oct 17, 09:40 PM
Nicklaus: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? ANS : Kache Marpo is an ancient Bhuddhist deity whom originated from Guru Rinpoche about a thousand years ago. Kache Marpo has a red face, three eyes, two arms and also wears the helmet of an ancient warrior with five flags fluttering in the wind representing the five Dhyani Buddhas.
15 Oct 17, 09:40 PM
Jutika Lam: As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? Kache Marpo is a ancient Buddhist diety which originated from the time of Guru Rinpoche. He is Dorje Shugden's main attendant.
15 Oct 17, 09:39 PM
Beatrix: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? Answer: Kache Marpo is Dorje Shugden's main minister. His history can be stemmed back all the way to Guru Rinpoche's era.
15 Oct 17, 09:37 PM
Pavara Lam k: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? ANS: Kache Marpo is an ancient Buddhist deity originating from the time of Guru Rinpoche
15 Oct 17, 09:36 PM
Edward Ooi: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? Kache Marpo is a very ancient Buddhist deity originating from the time of Guru Rinpoche, a thousand years ago. He is also one of Dorje Shugden’s main attendant.
15 Oct 17, 09:36 PM
Pavara Lam k: Hi everyone!
15 Oct 17, 09:36 PM
Liang Jing: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo? ANS: Kache Marpo is a very ancient Buddhist deity originating from the time of Guru Rinpoche, a thousand years ago.
15 Oct 17, 09:34 PM
Naomi: Q1 ANS: Kache Marpo is a very ancient Buddhist deity originating from the time of Guru Rinpoche, a thousand years ago.
15 Oct 17, 09:34 PM
Naomi: Hello Rinpoche and Everyone.
15 Oct 17, 09:33 PM
Nicklaus: 1. As the article mentioned, who is Kache Marpo?
15 Oct 17, 09:33 PM
Nicklaus: First question is coming out
15 Oct 17, 09:32 PM
Edward Ooi: Hello Everybody!!!
15 Oct 17, 09:32 PM
Jutika Lam: Hello everyone!
15 Oct 17, 09:32 PM
Liang Jing: Hello Rinpoche and everyone! :)
15 Oct 17, 09:31 PM
Nicklaus: Good evening everybody!
15 Oct 17, 12:19 PM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8z7kcyct02959.jpg
Dear Curious,
In the Gelug tradition, Dorje Yudronma is one of the female protectors of Gyuto Tantric college and Gungru Khangtsen in Drepung Gomang Monastery. She is a gentle female protector holding a divination arrow and vase riding on a horse with the speed of wind. She is dressed in royal garb and has the powerful foresight into the future. She is able to take trance in certain qualified oracles to speak. We do not practice Dorje Yudronma here.

You can watch a video here of the protector Yudroma entering her oracle in Nechung Monastery in Dharamsala: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnE9FGYwuig
15 Oct 17, 05:07 AM
Curious: What function does Dorje Yudronma have in the Gelugpa? Are there any practices to her over there?
14 Oct 17, 05:58 PM
jerry_sito: Long Life Prayer for H.E.The 25th Tsem Rinpoche's 尊贵的第廿五世詹杜固仁波切长寿祈愿文 👉 http://bit.ly/1coXDRs 🐘🐘 OM AH GURU KIRTI DAZA SHASANA DARA KYANDI SIDDHI HUNG HUNG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4-lACkBig&feature=youtu.be
14 Oct 17, 05:58 PM
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14 Oct 17, 05:57 PM
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14 Oct 17, 05:56 PM
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14 Oct 17, 05:56 PM
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14 Oct 17, 03:03 PM
Pastor Shin: Thanks for sharing Lew!
14 Oct 17, 03:02 PM
Lew: Nice painting of Buddha https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLomxw_UQAA0vd5.jpg
14 Oct 17, 12:55 PM
Yau Mun: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Shin and have a good weekend everyone.
14 Oct 17, 12:54 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Sharon. Have a good weekend.
14 Oct 17, 12:53 PM
Sharon Ong: Thank you for moderating today's chat, Pastor Shin. Thank you, Rinpoche and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 12:53 PM
Pastor Shin: @Freon - True, Xuan Zang had to undergo a very difficult journey, and when he got back to China, he and his helpers systematically translated 73 Buddhist scriptures, 1335 volumes in all, from Sanskrit to Chinese. These translations contributed greatly to the rise of Buddhism in China, and was probably his greatest achievement of all.
14 Oct 17, 12:53 PM
Yau Mun: Q6 Ans: It will be during his eight years as an attendant, Tsarchen studied with 63 master of all traditions. During that period he was also engaged in extended retreat while travelling through the central region of U and Tsang. I really respect him as during that era, there was no modern transport vehicle.
14 Oct 17, 12:48 PM
Freon: @Pastor Shin have read the next week blog. It is an important topic . Thank you
14 Oct 17, 12:48 PM
Freon: About Lord Tsarchen, when he travelling on horse with student went to all places. And experiences, let me have a vision of 唐三藏。 The famous monk with the Monkey and others who travel to Indian to get dharma back to China
14 Oct 17, 12:48 PM
Sofi: @PST, will do. See you next week.
14 Oct 17, 12:47 PM
Pastor Shin: Have a good weekend Stella, and everyone don't forget to do dedication :cool: :cool:
14 Oct 17, 12:47 PM
Stella Cheang: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 12:46 PM
Pastor Shin: See you next week Freon & Sofi. Don't forget to read up on next week's topic!
14 Oct 17, 12:46 PM
Freon: Thank you Pastor Shin and blog friends for sharing knowledge
14 Oct 17, 12:45 PM
Freon: Thank you Rinpoche
14 Oct 17, 12:45 PM
Sofi: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Shin and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 12:44 PM
Sofi: A6 : What inspired me the most is that Tsarchen had many chances of going to Kechara heaven and yet unlike most who would go in an instant, he paid heed to his Guru's advice to remain to benefit others. It was only in 1566 when Lord Doringpa manisfested to Tsarchen in his meditation to go then only Tsarchen went to Kechara.
14 Oct 17, 12:44 PM
Freon: 6. Which part of Tsarchen's life experience inspire you the most and why? The most inspiration of Tsarchen's life is he decided to walk from monastery and benefit people and also his determination of study the dharma.
14 Oct 17, 12:42 PM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/TenpaYarphel-15.jpg His Holiness the Dalai Lama often consults Nechung before making firm decisions. Here you see Nechung in trance of the oracle and speaking to the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama often invites or allows Nechung to take trance and speak during many initiations, ceremonies, rituals and gatherings. Many Tibetans are not happy with this and Parliamentarian Tenpa Yarphel spoke up about this. Tibetans are asking why after 60 years of being in exile and listening to hundreds of pronouncements and advice from Nechung, there is no progress in the Tibetan situation with China. People are losing confidence in Nechung and questioning why the Tibetan government always consults Nechung before making decisions when it is not having any effect. His Holiness the Dalai Lama has mentioned clearly that Nechung advised him to ask Dorje Shugden practice to be removed. Many senior monks say Nechung, being a lesser spirit, was jealous of the faith people had in Dorje Shugden. Nechung said that the practice of Dorje Shugden was slowing down the return of the Tibetans to Tibet as Dorje Shugden was conflicting with Pelden Hlamo and Nechung himself. Many scholar monks in Gaden Monastery said this is impossible. Let us just, for argument’s sake, suppose Dorje Shugden is obstructing. How can he override a powerful being like Pelden Hlamo? It does not make sense. But Nechung told the Dalai Lama that Dorje Shugden should be banned.
14 Oct 17, 12:41 PM
Pastor Shin: Next week's blog chat topic is … Tibetan MP Tenpa Yarphel Speaks Up Against Nechung http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/tibetan-mp-tenpa-yarphel-speaks-up-against-nechung.html
14 Oct 17, 12:40 PM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/tsarchen.png This is another version/ source of the story where Tsarchen met Vajrayogini, the incident that was asked about earlier. This is from "THE CRYSTAL MIRROR OF PHILOSOPHICAL SYSTEMS: A Tibetan Study of Asian Religious Thought", considered the widest-ranging account of religious philosophies ever written in pre-modern Tibet.
14 Oct 17, 12:40 PM
Sofi: A5 : The legacy of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso in the Sakya and the other traditions are especially profound. All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs. The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has since been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions. The incredible life story contained in his travel journal continues to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage.
14 Oct 17, 12:37 PM
Sharon Ong: 6. Which part of Tsarchen's life experience inspire you the most and why? ANS: He could have chosen an “easier” path to remain in the monastery but he chose to become a travelling monk so that he could transform his mind and benefit others. We need to remember that during his lifetime there were no cars, airplanes or even hotels for them to stop and rest. Travelling was a lot of hard work and given his health issue, it must have nor been very easy. His willingness to endure much hardship for the sake of his spiritual practice inspires me. This also reminds me of Tsem Rinpoche's own hardships to practice the Dharma when Rinpoche was young, particularly in when Rinpoche was in New Jersey and LA.
14 Oct 17, 12:37 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Jace, a very great master indeed to remain to benefit many more beings.
14 Oct 17, 12:35 PM
Yau Mun: Q5 Ans: The legacy of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso in the Sakya and the other traditions are especially profound. All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs. The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has since been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions. The incredible life story contained in his travel journal continues to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage.
14 Oct 17, 12:34 PM
Jace Chong: 6. Which part of Tsarchen's life experience inspire you the most and why? - I am inspired by the great master Tsarchen that even traveling is not easy for him (as his leg has problem), it didn't stop him from traveling to learn from different masters and give teachings to many to benefit them. The thing is he is already "qualified" to go to the heaven of Vajrayogini, Kechara, yet he chose to continue his traveling, taking all the uncomfort to benefit others. A highly attained yet very grounded master, who keep Vajrayogini's practice alive.
14 Oct 17, 12:33 PM
Stella Cheang: Q6
The part how he can learn from 63 masters in the span of 8 years amazed and inspired me the most. Tsarchen Losel Gyatso must be of an extraordinary mind as the perfect vessel to Buddha Dharma where he can understand and retain the Dharma in very short time. In this day and age, the mind is distracted and hard to retain simple Buddha Dharma, leave alone understanding it. Therefore I cannot fathom the amazing speed Tsarchen mastered the Dharma from 63 gurus in 8 years. It is very inspiring!
14 Oct 17, 12:29 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Pastor Shin: @Wai Meng - The Third Dalai Lama Sonam Gyatso was a student of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso. Thank you.
14 Oct 17, 12:28 PM
Pastor Shin: 6. Which part of Tsarchen's life experience inspire you the most and why?
14 Oct 17, 12:28 PM
Pastor Shin: Time for the last question of the day...
14 Oct 17, 12:27 PM
Pastor Shin: @Wai Meng - The Third Dalai Lama Sonam Gyatso was a student of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso.
14 Oct 17, 12:26 PM
Jace Chong: 5. Please describe three contributions of Tsarchen, or his legacy after his passing. - 1. All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs. 2. The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has since been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions. 3. The incredible life story contained in his travel journal continues to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage.
14 Oct 17, 12:25 PM
Sharon Ong: 5. Please describe three contributions of Tsarchen, or his legacy after his passing.
ANS:

1. He founded the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet.
2. His writings hold particularly potent blessings. All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs.  
3. He is the 21st lineage holder of the Vajrayogini tantric tradition stemming from the Mahasiddha Naropa himself whose works are still in use to this day by Gelugs and Sakyas.
14 Oct 17, 12:23 PM
Stella Cheang: Q5
1.All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs.
2.The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions.
3.The incredible life story contained in his travel journal never cease to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage.
14 Oct 17, 12:22 PM
Pastor Shin: http://vajrayogini.com/images/stories/Lineage/021_Tsarchen_Losal.png http://nalandra.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_1714.jpg Given the omniscient qualities of Tsharchen Losal Gyatso, he attracted a vast number of students from all traditions. Tsharchen Losal Gyatso came to be the second “Vajradhara of our age of discord”. Tsharchen Losal Gyatso was a disciple of Doringpa Kunpang Chenpo and his two primary disciples were Khyentse Wangchuk and Ludrup Gyamtsho who continued to maintain the Tsharpa lineage as exemplified by the extraordinary attainments of the late Zimwocks and Chogye Trichen Rinpoche. The home monastery for the Tsarpa tradition in Tibet is Nalendra founded by the Mahasiddha Rongton Sheja Kunrig (1367–1449).
14 Oct 17, 12:21 PM
Stella Cheang: 1.All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs. 2.The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions. 3.The incredible life story contained in his travel journal never cease to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage
14 Oct 17, 12:20 PM
Freon: 5. Please describe three contributions of Tsarchen, or his legacy after his passing. - The legacy of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso in the Sakya and the other traditions are especially profound. - All of the main Sakya tantric teachings, and the rare oral transmissions such as Lobshé or Explication for Disciples, have been passed down from Tsarchen to all his major Dharma heirs. - The Vajrayogini tantric lineage from Tsarchen has since been disseminated within the Sakya and Gelug traditions. - The incredible life story contained in his travel journal continues to inspire generations of practitioners, especially those of the Vajrayogini lineage.
14 Oct 17, 12:18 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Pastor Shin: The Fifth Dalai Lama (161782) said of Tsarchen's work that it is composed of "superb words and meaning, blazing with the light of majestic blessing". - Yes Pastor Shin, it seems the 5th Dalai Lama, who was a prolific writer wrote a biography of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso.
14 Oct 17, 12:17 PM
Pastor Shin: 5. Please describe three contributions of Tsarchen, or his legacy after his passing.
14 Oct 17, 12:16 PM
Pastor Shin: The Fifth Dalai Lama (161782) said of Tsarchen's work that it is composed of "superb words and meaning, blazing with the light of majestic blessing".
14 Oct 17, 12:14 PM
Sofi: A4 : A year or so before he departed for U, Tsarchen entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry. Tsarchen’s journal can be read as a mixture of prose and verse poetry of such beauty and sophistication that its meaning is simply lost in translation.
14 Oct 17, 12:13 PM
Uncle Eddie: Q4-Ans: For 6 years after receiving teachings and special teachings privatelyand personally, it was clear that Tarshen was being groomed as Doringpa's successor withhis special rare transmission of knowledges from the Sakya Tradition. Tarshen was also confident that he needed no further Master or oral instructuion for achievng enlightenment!
14 Oct 17, 12:11 PM
Pastor Shin: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence?
ANS: Tsarchen entered into a retreat by meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. After that, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry. Tsarchen’s journal can be read like a mixture of prose and verse poetry of such beauty and sophistication that its meaning is simply lost in translation.
14 Oct 17, 12:09 PM
Adrian Chow: A4. Tsarchen obtained his gift of extraordinary eloquence from entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry.
14 Oct 17, 12:09 PM
Yau Mun: Q4 Ans: Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence when he enter into a retreat meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry. Tsarchen’s journal can be read as a mixture of prose and verse poetry of such beauty and sophistication that its meaning is simply lost in translation
14 Oct 17, 12:09 PM
Stella Cheang: Q1: Tsarchen Losal Gytaso was born in the year 1502 and lived until 1566. He was a famous teacher and founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition. The centre was at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. He was the 21st lineage holder of the sacred Vajrayogini tantric tradition that started by Mahasiddha Naropa himself. In his lifetime, he had direct vision of Vajrayogini several times. Vajrayogini was his main practice, that resulted in his attainments, which let him beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 12:08 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Stella for catching up :heart:
14 Oct 17, 12:07 PM
Stella Cheang: Q2: Although fully ordained as a monk, he did not live in the monastery. He led the life of an itinerant monk, performing good deeds, teaching and blessing people along the way.
14 Oct 17, 12:06 PM
Stella Cheang: Q3: Based on the small Tibetan pecha manuscript wrapped in cloth given to him before she vanished. The manuscript contained instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini. And later on confirmed by Lord Doringpa himself that she is the Lady Kechari.
14 Oct 17, 12:05 PM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Saraswati.jpg Tsarchen relied on Saraswati or Yangchenma during his retreat and attained great eloquence. There's a Prayer To Saraswati composed by the incomparable Lama Tsongkhapa here on Rinpoche's blog: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/prayers-and-sadhanas/sadhana-prayers.html#16
14 Oct 17, 12:05 PM
Victor.C: Thank you @Pastor Shin,
14 Oct 17, 12:03 PM
Adrian Chow: A3. Early one morning, in the monastery courtyard he chanced a lady and told him that Master Doringpa wish to see him at Khau and she passed to him a manuscript of Vajrayogini which was later on it was discovered that same manuscript was taken from Dharma Master Doringpa's library which slipped perfectly into the empty space in the middle of the books at the shelf. When Tsarchen Losel Gyatso showed Master Doringpa the Vajrayogini text as the proof of the encountered of meeting this lady. In response, the master just laughed and exclaimed, “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you. This book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings. Please place it on the bookshelves for now.” This shows that Vajrayogini had appeared to him in order to lead him to this great teacher.
14 Oct 17, 12:03 PM
Stella Cheang: Q4: The reason for the exceptional work was because a year or so before he entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry.
14 Oct 17, 12:02 PM
Jace Chong: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence? - Tsarchen entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati. While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry.
14 Oct 17, 12:01 PM
sweekeong: A4) He went into Saraswati retreat, had visions of her, and received her prophecy. Saraswati bestowed on him the incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Later when he wrote whatever that is written came out as poetry.
14 Oct 17, 12:01 PM
Pastor Shin: @Victor - I think you are missing some words :cool: Thereafter, *whatever Tsarchen wrote* naturally came forth as poetry. 
14 Oct 17, 12:00 PM
Freon: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence?
- A year or so before he departed for U, Tsarchen entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati, the goddess of fine arts.
While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy.
Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry. Tsarchen’s journal can be read as a mixture of prose and verse poetry of such beauty and sophistication that its meaning is simply lost in translation.
14 Oct 17, 11:59 AM
Sharon Ong: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence? ANS: Tsarchen obtained his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence during his Saraswati retreat. According to the post - While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence. Thereafter, whatever he wrote naturally came forth as poetry. 
14 Oct 17, 11:58 AM
Wan Wai Meng: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence? -> Tsarchen Losal Gyatso at one point went in to Saraswati retreat. Whilst he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy. Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence.
14 Oct 17, 11:58 AM
Victor.C: A4:
- Tsarchen entered into a retreat meditating on Saraswati,
- While he was in retreat, a rain of white flowers fell, he heard the melodious strumming of Saraswati’s lute, and finally beheld her face and received a word of prophecy.
- Saraswati had bestowed on him an incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence.
- Thereafter Tsarchen naturally came forth as poetry.
14 Oct 17, 11:58 AM
Sharon Ong: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that the lady was Vajrayogini? ANS: The lady gave Tsarchen a pecha manuscript wrapped in cloth. The pecha is contained instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini. When Tsarchen went to hermitage of Khau Drakzong, near Sakya Monastery and showed Doringpa the Vajrayogini text, the master just laughed and exclaimed, “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you. This book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings. Please place it on the book shelves for now.” When Tsarchen was about to place the text, he saw that in the middle of the pile of books was an empty space that was about the size of the Vajrayogini text in his hands. He slipped the book back into place and it fit PERFECTLY! He realised the book was originally from this shelf and felt great faith arise in him. It was apparent that Vajrayogini had appeared to him in order to lead him to this great teacher.
14 Oct 17, 11:56 AM
Pastor Shin: 4. How did Tsarchen obtain his incredible gift of extraordinary eloquence?
14 Oct 17, 11:55 AM
Pastor Shin: Thank you all for trying :) Next question.
14 Oct 17, 11:55 AM
Yau Mun: Q3 Ans: Tsarchen explained his strange encounter with the lady at Tashi Lhunpo and showed Doringpa the Vajrayogini text as proof of his encounter. In response, the master just laughed and exclaimed, “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you.
14 Oct 17, 11:55 AM
Pastor Shin: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that lady was Vajrayogini?
ANS: There are several indications that the lady at Tashi Lhunpo Monastery who advised Tsarchen to visit Lord Doringpa was Vajrayogini:
1. The lady gave him a small Tibetan Pecha manuscript wrapped in cloth, which contained instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini.
2. When Tsarchen met with master Doringpa and recounted his experience with the lady at Tashi Lhunpo Monastery, Lord Doringpa confirmed that the lady was Vajrayogini by saying that “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you.”
3. Tsarchen noted that the small pecha containing Vajrayogini instruction from the lady fit to the empty space in the master Doringpa’s bookshelf.
14 Oct 17, 11:55 AM
Wan Wai Meng: Pastor Shin: @Wai Meng - Try again. Clue: How did Je Tsongkhapa know that he was really seeing Manjushri? :cool: - ohhh Master Doringpa said to Tsarchen Losal Gyatso, Vajrayogini went to fetch him, which is another affirmation and confirmation.
14 Oct 17, 11:53 AM
Victor.C: Thank you @Pastor Shin,
14 Oct 17, 11:52 AM
Uncle Eddie: Q3-ans: After when Tsarchan recounted his strange encounter with Doringpa and showed the Vajrayogini's text as a proof. Later he also was asked to place back the empty space which Doringpa mentioned and realised the truth and felt greatly please with deep faith arising in him.
14 Oct 17, 11:51 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 3: The lady have simmering eyebrows and facial hair. She passed him a pecha manuscript of instructions of 3 forms of Vajrayogini. Then, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso received an invitation from Lord Doringpa to receive initiations of tantra. Turns out the book that Tsarchen Losal Gyatso receive is directly from Lord Doringpa's library and Lord Doringpa confirmed that Vajrayogini had personally went to fetch Tsarchen Losal Gyatso.
14 Oct 17, 11:51 AM
Victor.C: A3: Tsarchen recounted his strange meeting with the lady at Tashi Lhunpo and showed Doringpa the Vajrayogini text as proof of his encounter. In response, the master just laughed and exclaimed, “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you where the book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings.
14 Oct 17, 11:51 AM
Pastor Shin: @Wai Meng - Try again. Clue: How did Je Tsongkhapa know that he was really seeing Manjushri? :cool:
14 Oct 17, 11:50 AM
sweekeong: A2) - When Master Doringpa mentioned “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you. This book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings. Please place it on the book shelves for now.”
- When he placed the book back to the shelves it fit the missing space exactly.
14 Oct 17, 11:49 AM
Pastor Shin: @Victor - Tsarchen met a special lady before his audience with Lord Doringpa. How do we know that this lady was Vajrayogini? What were the signs/ explanations for this?
14 Oct 17, 11:49 AM
Freon: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that the lady was Vajrayogini?
- The manuscript contained instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini. And Master Doringpa further exclaimed that Vajrayogini went to fetch Tsarchen Losel Gyatso. Further more, When Tsarchen was about to place the text, he saw that in the middle of the pile of books was an empty space that was about the size of the Vajrayogini text in his hands. He slipped the book back into place and it fit perfectly. He realised the book was originally from this shelf and felt great faith arise in him. It was apparent that Vajrayogini had appeared to him in order to lead him to this great teacher
14 Oct 17, 11:49 AM
Wan Wai Meng: @Wai Meng - one more important point missing - The text fits snugly the space at Master Doringpa's book shelves?
14 Oct 17, 11:49 AM
Jace Chong: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that the lady was Vajrayogini? - The lady passed Tsarchen a manuscript that contained instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini. Later when Tsarchen related this encounter in Tashi Lhunpo to his master Doringpa, the master say “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you. This book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings. Please place it on the book shelves for now.” When Tsarchen was about to place the text, he saw that in the middle of the pile of books was an empty space that was about the size of the Vajrayogini text in his hands. He slipped the book back into place and it fit perfectly.
14 Oct 17, 11:48 AM
Sofi: A3 : She gave Tsarchen Losal Gyatso a gift of Tibetan pecha manuscript containing instructions on the three forms of Kechari or Vajrayogini and said that Lord Doringpa sent for him. When he travelled to Khau Drakzong and met with Lord Doringpa, he recounted his strange meeting with the Lady and the master laughed and exclaimed, “Oh my! Looks like Kechari went to fetch you. This book contains the Vajrayogini cycle of teachings. Please place it on the book shelves for now.” When Tsarchen was about to place the text, he saw that in the middle of the pile of books was an empty space that was about the size of the Vajrayogini text in his hands. He slipped the book back into place and it fit perfectly. He realised the book was originally from this shelf and felt great faith arise in him. It was apparent that Vajrayogini had appeared to him in order to lead him to this great teacher.
14 Oct 17, 11:46 AM
Pastor Shin: @Wai Meng - one more important point missing :cool:
14 Oct 17, 11:46 AM
Wan Wai Meng: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that the lady was Vajrayogini? - The lady passed to master Tsarchen Losal Gyatso a book on the Vajrayogini, which is about the three forms of Vajrayogini. Later on it was discovered that same book was taken from Dharma Master Doringpa's library.
14 Oct 17, 11:45 AM
Pastor Shin: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bookquote3a.jpg
14 Oct 17, 11:44 AM
Victor.C: A3: I dont understand the question
14 Oct 17, 11:43 AM
sweekeong: The outside environment is actually more difficult because conditions outside is not as conducive in the monastery.
14 Oct 17, 11:42 AM
Pastor Shin: 3. Early one morning, Tsarchen met a lady that advised him to visit Lord Doringpa. What were the indications that the lady was Vajrayogini?
14 Oct 17, 11:42 AM
Pastor Shin: Question 3 up next, and there are a few points that you need to mention.
14 Oct 17, 11:41 AM
Yau Mun: Q2 Ans: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso believed that by living as a wandering ascetic that he will be able transform the essence of his mind at a greater scale. He spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:41 AM
Pastor Shin: 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic? ANS: The reason Tsarchen Losal Gyatso did not live in a monastery was because he predicted that if he resorted to being a wandering ascetic, a great change would most likely occur in the essence of mind within. When living as an itinerant monk, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso performed great deeds and giving many teachings to benefit those that he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:40 AM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Swee Keong, Wai Meng and Freon for sharing your thoughts. Indeed many great scholars choose a life of meditation or left the monastery to do other work of promoting or spreading the Dharma.
14 Oct 17, 11:40 AM
Kb thapa: Question 2 ..He was a known as wondering monk , who liked to visit place to place giving teachings and benefited whoever encountered him along the way on his Journey..
14 Oct 17, 11:39 AM
Wan Wai Meng: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso choice to be more of a mendicant monk, is also reminiscent of the forest monks of the Thai and Myanmar traditions, never staying still and always moving around to benefit sentient beings. Just to add on a bit more.
14 Oct 17, 11:38 AM
Victor.C: A2: He believes if he become a wondering monk, his will have a better mind transformation and by traveling from one places to another he can spread dharma and transformed people's mind.
14 Oct 17, 11:37 AM
Sharon Ong: Good observation @Swee Keong
14 Oct 17, 11:37 AM
sweekeong: In another way the lama goes to the lay people to spread Dharma because they are not able visit the monasteries due to financial and travelling constraint.
14 Oct 17, 11:36 AM
Sharon Ong: 2. What was the reason that Tsarchen Losal Gyatso chose to be an itinerant monk instead of living in the monastery? ANS: The reason for Tsarchen's choice to be an itinerant monk is so that he could transform his mind and benefit more people during his travels.
14 Oct 17, 11:36 AM
Freon: @Swee Keong, true
14 Oct 17, 11:36 AM
Freon: @Pastor Shin, I think He is seeking to benefit more sentient beings by traveling.
14 Oct 17, 11:35 AM
Wan Wai Meng: 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic? - He felt living as a wandering practitioner, he will be able to transform his mind and make the changes to his mind which will be even more conducive towards enlightenment. When he wandered around with his disciples, he gave teachings and benefitted the people he met, performing great deeds of the dharma. Such an action reminded me of another great mahasiddha, the great Virupa after leaving the monastery, he went all over India to benefit sentient beings.
14 Oct 17, 11:35 AM
Freon: In his autobiography, Celebration of the Cuckoo, he writes,

“If I resorted to the nectar of being a wandering ascetic myself, a great change would most likely occur in the essence of mind within.”
14 Oct 17, 11:33 AM
sweekeong: This is parallel to the Buddha Shakyamuni before his enlightenment he travelled as a wandering ascetic as well.
14 Oct 17, 11:33 AM
Freon: 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic? - Although a fully ordained monk, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso did not live in a monastery. He spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:32 AM
Pastor Shin: Ok reposting this part which many of you didn't answer (except Dr Chris & Swee Keong) 2. What was the reason that Tsarchen Losal Gyatso chose to be an itinerant monk instead of living in the monastery
14 Oct 17, 11:32 AM
sweekeong: A2) In his brography he stated that being wandering ascetic monk would transform his mind. In my opinion it was the difficult conditions that would benefit his practice. During his travel he benefitted many, giving teachings, empowerment, miraculous power to help others.
14 Oct 17, 11:31 AM
Uncle Eddie: Q2Ans: Spent his life as an intinerant monk going from place to place performing great deeds, giving teachings to benefit all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:31 AM
Sharon Ong: : 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic? ANS: Although he was a monk, he spend his life like a nomad, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered. It was during his travels that some of his most miraculous deeds were performed such as pure visions of Vajrayogini.
14 Oct 17, 11:30 AM
Adrian Chow: A2. Although Tsarchen Losal Gyatso is a fully ordained monk, he chose to spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing in order to perform great deeds, in giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:30 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 2 : He believe that he can progress better spiritually if he remain as a wondering ascetic. He go place to place performing great deeds, giving teachings and benefit whomever he met.
14 Oct 17, 11:29 AM
Victor.C: A2: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered
14 Oct 17, 11:28 AM
Pastor Shin: @Sofi - You missed the first part of the question :cool:
14 Oct 17, 11:28 AM
Jace Chong: 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic? - Tsarchen Losal Gyatso spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:28 AM
Pastor Shin: @Sharon - It shows the level of attainment that Tsarchen Losal Gyatso has. In this degenerate age, for us to even see and worship a deity's image (in painting/ thangka/ statues) is also very rare/ hard.
14 Oct 17, 11:28 AM
Sofi: A2 : Tsarchen Losal Gyatso spent his life as an itinerant monk, travelling from place to place with his disciples performing great deeds, giving many teachings and benefiting all whom he encountered.
14 Oct 17, 11:26 AM
Pastor Shin: 2. Why didn't Tsarchen Losal Gyatso live in the monastery although he was a monk? What were the activities that he engaged in when he was living as a wandering ascetic?
14 Oct 17, 11:25 AM
Sharon Ong: To be able to see just ONE deity is already so hard, imagine being able to see so many deities inclusive of tantric ones. Mind blowing!
14 Oct 17, 11:24 AM
Pastor Shin: Now let's move on to Question 2.
14 Oct 17, 11:24 AM
Pastor Shin: 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences? ANS: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso was a well-known master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centered at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gained high realizations by engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice and had visionary experiences associated with Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, and other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:23 AM
Pastor Shin: @KB - Answer a bit too short :cool: missing some points
14 Oct 17, 11:23 AM
Adrian Chow: A1. Tsarchen Losal Gyatso (1502 – 1566 CE) was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. * The great Tsarchen Losal Gyatso is the 21st lineage holder of the Vajrayogini tantric tradition stemming from the Mahasiddha Naropa himself. * By engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gained high realisations and went on to have several important visionary experiences associated with her. Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:23 AM
Adrian Chow: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 11:22 AM
Kb thapa: Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences? ans.... He was master and the founder lineage of the Sakya culture and the lineage holder of Vajrayogini..
14 Oct 17, 11:19 AM
Jace Chong: 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences?- Tsarchen Losal Gyatso was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. By engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gained high realisations and went on to have several important visionary experiences associated with her. Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:19 AM
Yau Mun: Q1 Ans: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso (1502 – 1566 CE) was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet.
 He is the 21st lineage holder of the Vajrayogini tantric tradition stemming from the Mahasiddha Naropa himself. Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gain realisation by engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice. Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:17 AM
Pastor Shin: @Sharon - Good to know about the exciting discussion at Manjushri Hill, and other group discussions for other divisions/ departments. That will be of much more support and help to understand the topic/ subject instead of just this short question/ answer session on blog chat every Saturday.
14 Oct 17, 11:16 AM
Sharon Ong: @Pastor Shin, the weekly discussions up on the hill helps lembab me a lot. :)
14 Oct 17, 11:15 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 1 : Tsarchen Losal Gyatso is a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. His main practice is Vajrayogini and gained high realization . He had pure visions of Vajrayogini and pure visions of Padmasambhava, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters as well.
14 Oct 17, 11:15 AM
Jace Chong: Hi Rinpoche and everyone :)
14 Oct 17, 11:15 AM
Victor.C: A1: -br]- Tsarchen Losal Gyatso is the 21st lineage holder of the Vajrayogini tantric tradition stemming from the Mahasiddha Naropa himself and founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition.
- He practices Vajrayogini tantric and gain realization and Vajrayogini herself appeared
- Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters..
14 Oct 17, 11:15 AM
sweekeong: A1) Tsarchen Losal Gyatso was a Sakya master of Tsarpa lineage. He is the 21st lineage holder of Vajrayogini tantric tradition. Due to this tantric practice he gained high realizations and visions of Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Padmasambhava, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:14 AM
Freon: 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? A: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization A: Tsarchen Losal Gyatso by engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice, gained high realisations Which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences? A : Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso had pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters
14 Oct 17, 11:14 AM
Wan Wai Meng: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone. 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences? - Tsarchen Losal Gyatso was a Vajrayogini practitioner and linage holder of that practice, and he also had a lot of affinity with the practice. He had pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters as a result of engaging with Vajrayogini practice stemming from Mahasiddha Naropa himself.
14 Oct 17, 11:13 AM
Pastor Shin: @Sharon - Fast and good answer :)
14 Oct 17, 11:13 AM
Sofi: A1 : Tsarchen Losal Gyatso (1502 – 1566 CE) was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet. He engaged in Vajrayogini as his main practice, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gained high realisations and went on to have several important visionary experiences associated with her. Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:12 AM
Sharon Ong: 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences? ANS: 1. He was a famous master and the founder of the Tsarpa lineage of the Sakya tradition centred at Dar Drangmoche Monastery in the central Tsang province of Tibet.
2. The great Tsarchen Losal Gyatso is the 21st lineage holder of the Vajrayogini tantric tradition stemming from the Mahasiddha Naropa himself.
3. In fact, by engaging in Vajrayogini as his main practice, Tsarchen Losal Gyatso gained high realisations and went on to have several important visionary experiences associated with her. Due to his high realisations, Tsarchen also beheld pure visions of Padmasambhava, Vajrayogini, Chakrasamvara, Kalachakra, Yamantaka, other tantric deities and masters.
14 Oct 17, 11:10 AM
Pastor Shin: 1. Who was Tsarchen Losal Gyatso? Which practice helped Tsarchen Losal Gyatso to gain realization and which deities appeared to him in his visionary experiences?
14 Oct 17, 11:10 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning Sharon & Dr Chris. Thank you Swee Keong and Sofi for sharing, looks like different groups have very different points to discuss. Let's start the discussion :)
14 Oct 17, 11:10 AM
Freon: Good morning Moderator and Blog friends
14 Oct 17, 11:10 AM
Freon: Good Morning Rinpoche
14 Oct 17, 11:09 AM
sweekeong: He has many gurus.. and during that time the lay people received teachings from many lamas from different sect.
14 Oct 17, 11:09 AM
Sofi: A1 : Lol! Lady Vajrayogini who grew fangs as long as an arm.
14 Oct 17, 11:07 AM
Sharon Ong: Good morning, Rinpoche and everyone!
14 Oct 17, 11:07 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning Uncle Eddie.
14 Oct 17, 11:06 AM
Chris Chong: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 11:06 AM
Pastor Shin: Before we start, perhaps some of you can share what was the most discussed item/ point in your own division's/ group's blog chat discussion on the topic of Tsarchen Losal Gyatso. @Victor & @Sofi?
14 Oct 17, 11:06 AM
Uncle Eddie: Good morning to Rinpoche and all participants.
14 Oct 17, 11:05 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning everyone! Very cute image for the morning, Swee Keong :)
14 Oct 17, 11:04 AM
Sofi: Good morning Rinpoche, Valentina and everyone.
14 Oct 17, 11:04 AM
sweekeong: hi Good morning https://cdn.stackward.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/07185549/good-morning-meme-18.jpg
14 Oct 17, 10:59 AM
Yau Mun: Good Morning Rinpoche, moderator and everyone
14 Oct 17, 10:57 AM
Valentina_moderator: Good morning Victor. Trust that you are well prepared for today's blog chat :)
14 Oct 17, 10:57 AM
Victor.C: Good Morning Rinpoche, Moderator and everyone!
13 Oct 17, 12:34 PM
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13 Oct 17, 12:33 PM
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13 Oct 17, 12:32 PM
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13 Oct 17, 12:31 PM
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12 Oct 17, 11:12 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Samsara and NIrvana are complementary.
12 Oct 17, 11:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: There is no duality between Samsara and Nirvana.
12 Oct 17, 11:11 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Choong and everyone. Goodnight.
12 Oct 17, 11:10 PM
Choong_Moderator: I like that too @graceleong. Samsara and Nirvana are actually not separated.
12 Oct 17, 11:10 PM
graceleong: Yes !! Thank you Rinpoche . Thank you Pastor. Thank you Choong and everyone !!
12 Oct 17, 11:10 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone on blogchat.
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
graceleong: the key phrase : When Perception is obstructed one is in Samsara. When one's Perception is free of obstructions one is in Nirvana !!!
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
Jacinta: Good night Rinpoche and others. Thank you for the great chat everyone
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
Choong_Moderator: Please do your dedications. We will end here tonight and continue next week!
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good night Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all in room. Thank you for the opportunity to learn and see you all next week.
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
12 Oct 17, 11:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Goodnight Caryn , Caroline .
12 Oct 17, 11:08 PM
shelly tai: Q8: The 13 Golden Dharmas are a special cycle of initiations that are especially treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders. These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by the great Sachen Kunga Nyinpo.
12 Oct 17, 11:08 PM
Choong_Moderator: You're welcome
12 Oct 17, 11:07 PM
Jacinta: Thanks for the link Moderator
12 Oct 17, 11:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Good explanation of Lamdre here: https://books.google.com.my/books?id=tjx4zajsbzIC&pg=PT101&lpg=PT101&dq=lamdre+path+fruit&source=bl&ots=7UJ-k7NQ10&sig=lbLZtMf9FUq26kfuUVD34ErMnw8&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lamdre%20path%20fruit&f=false
12 Oct 17, 11:06 PM
Cc: _/\_thank you Rinpoche and everyone.
12 Oct 17, 11:06 PM
Caryn: Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in the chat room. I have to leave too. Good night to all and rest well.
12 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Goodnight Kin Hoe.
12 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The 13 Golden Dharmas are a special cycle of initiations much treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders.These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by the great Sachen Kunga Nyinpo.
12 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
Cc: The 13 consist of Three Vajrayogini initiations – the Naro, Indra and Maitri traditions, the Three Great Red Ones (Marpo Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Maharakta Ganapati and Takiraja, Three Small Red Ones (Marchung Kor Sum) – Kurukulle, Red Vasudhara and Tinuma and the four additional empowerments – Singhananda, Shabala Garuda, Black Manjushri and Red Dzambala.
12 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): I have to leave the blog chat earlier. Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room. Good night and have a blessed month.
12 Oct 17, 11:05 PM
Jacinta: Q8. What are the 13 Golden Dharmas? Ans: It's called Gold because in the past, usually when requesting teachings or Dharma, gold will be offered, signifying it's great value.the 13 Golden Dharmas are initiations originate from various sources in India and were compile by Great Sachen Kunga Nyingpo
12 Oct 17, 11:04 PM
Cc: A8.The 13 Golden Dharmas are a special cycle of initiations that are especially treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders. These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by the great Sachen Kunga Nyinpo
12 Oct 17, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: The 13 Golden Dharmas are a special cycle of initiations that are treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders. These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by Sachen Kunga Nyingpo.
12 Oct 17, 11:03 PM
Caryn: A8: The 13 Golden Dharmas are a special cycle of initiations that are especially treasured by the great Sakya lineage holders. These initiations originate from various sources in India and were compiled by the great Sachen Kunga Nyinpo.
12 Oct 17, 11:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last questions this evening. Q8. What are the 13 Golden Dharmas?
12 Oct 17, 11:01 PM
Jacinta: alright..
12 Oct 17, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Jacinta, it is a great teaching - Lamdre
12 Oct 17, 10:59 PM
Jacinta: I see the reasoning for its name now @Choong_Moderator: It can also mean that we are already Buddhas (the pot of gold), just that we have to get on the path to discover it. Hence the two cannot be seperated.
12 Oct 17, 10:59 PM
Choong_Moderator: @graceleong, there is no fruit or destination for it is already with us.
12 Oct 17, 10:58 PM
Caryn: A7: Lamdre teachings were derived from the Hevajra Root Tantra. The results of its practice is included within the path itself.
12 Oct 17, 10:58 PM
Choong_Moderator: It can also mean that we are already Buddhas (the pot of gold), just that we have to get on the path to discover it. Hence the two cannot be seperated.
12 Oct 17, 10:57 PM
Choong_Moderator: @graceleong, it means that instead of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, the rainbow itself is where the pot of gold is.
12 Oct 17, 10:55 PM
graceleong: Does it mean the fruit/result of the teaching is from going on to the Path?
12 Oct 17, 10:55 PM
Jacinta: Q7. Describe the main characteristics of Lamdre. Ans: It's the main teaching of the Sakya. The Lamdre system essentially expounds a view that the result of its practice is encompassed within the path itself.
12 Oct 17, 10:55 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: The teachings on the Lamdre, the 'Path and Fruit' form the main core of the Sakya teachings. The Mahasiddha Virupa originally derived the Lamdre teachings from the Hevajra Root Tantra. The Lamdre system fundamentally develops a view that the result of its practice is included within the path itself.
12 Oct 17, 10:55 PM
Cc: Yes... path and fruit...
12 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
shelly tai: Q7: The teaching on the Lamdre, the path and fruit, from the main core of the Sakya teachings. The Mahasiddha Virupa originally derived the lamdre teachings from the Hevajra Root Tantra.
12 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7: The main characteristics of Lamdre is that the result of their practice is encompassed within the path itself. The root text is Vajra verses by Mahasiddha Virupa.
12 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
graceleong: Q7. Describe the main characteristics of Lamdre. A: The Lamdre system essentially expounds a view that the result of its practice is encompassed within the path itself. This teaching stemmed from the Hevajra Root Tantra.
12 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
Cc: It derived from Hevajra Root Tantra.The root text for the Lamdre teachings is the Vajra Verses by the Mahasiddha Virupa and various commentaries by Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, Jetsun Drakpa Gyeltsen and so forth.The Lamdre system essentially expounds a view that the result of its practice is encompassed within the path itself.
12 Oct 17, 10:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Cannot be seperated
12 Oct 17, 10:53 PM
Choong_Moderator: The fruit is in the path, yes.
12 Oct 17, 10:53 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The teachings on the Lamdre, the ‘Path and Fruit’, form the main core of the Sakya teachings. The Mahasiddha Virupa originally derived the Lamdre teachings from the Hevajra Root Tantra. The Lamdre system essentially expounds a view that the result of its practice is encompassed within the path itself..
12 Oct 17, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you @Pastor Han Nee, that's why today we have a rotation system
12 Oct 17, 10:50 PM
Pastor Han Nee: In the 18th century, Ducho Ladrang was split between two ‘palaces’, Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. Pema Dudul Wangchuk established Drolma Podrang and Phuntsok Podrang was established by his youngest son, Kunga Rinchen. Ever since then, the leadership in the Khon Family and the throne holders of the Sakya School alternate between the Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang. The throne holders of the Sakya School are known by the title ‘Sakya Trizin'..
12 Oct 17, 10:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q7. Describe the main characteristics of Lamdre.
12 Oct 17, 10:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right. This was when the last surviving Khon lineage Ladrang, the Ducho Ladrang, was split into two - the Drolma and Phuntsok Prodrangs
12 Oct 17, 10:48 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6: Ducho Ladrang was split into two palaces - Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. The leadership in the Khon family and the throne holders of the Sakya school will be alternated between the Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang.
12 Oct 17, 10:48 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: In the 18th century, Ducho Ladrang was split between two 'palaces' which are Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. Pema Dudul Wangchuk established Drolma Podrang and Phuntsok Podrang was established by his youngest son, Kunga Rinchen. From that time onwards, the leadership in the Khon Family and the throne holders of the Sakya School alternate between Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang.
12 Oct 17, 10:48 PM
Cc: In the 18th century, Ducho Ladrang was split between two ‘palaces’, Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. Pema Dudul Wangchuk established Drolma Podrang and Phuntsok Podrang was established by his youngest son, Kunga Rinchen. Ever since then, the leadership in the Khon Family and the throne holders of the Sakya School alternate between the Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang. The throne holders of the Sakya School are known by the title ‘Sakya Trizin’.
12 Oct 17, 10:47 PM
Jacinta: Q6. What happened in the 18th century?Ans: Ducho Ladrang was split between two ‘palaces’,
1. Drolma Podrang established by Pema Dudul Wangchuk and
2.Phunstok Podrang established by Kunga Rinchen
12 Oct 17, 10:46 PM
Caryn: A6: Ducho Ladrang, one of the four dynastic houses that Tishri Kunga Lodro Gyaltsen established, was split between two palaces – Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. Pema Dudul Wangchuk established Drolma Podrang and Phuntsok Podrang was established by his youngest son, Kunga Rinchen. Ever since then, the leadership in the Khon Family and the throne holders of the Sakya School alternate between the Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang. The throne holders of the Sakya School are known by the title ‘Sakya Trizin’.
12 Oct 17, 10:46 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Grac is right -Kunga Lodro and Kunga Nyingpo were the 2 Sakya Trizins who were said to be the emanations of Dor Shugden -from th blogpost.
12 Oct 17, 10:45 PM
graceleong: In the 18th century, Ducho Ladrang was split between two ‘palaces’, Drolma Podrang and Phunstok Podrang. Pema Dudul Wangchuk established Drolma Podrang and Phuntsok Podrang was established by his youngest son, Kunga Rinchen. Ever since then, the leadership in the Khon Family and the throne holders of the Sakya School alternate between the Drolma and Phuntsok Podrang. The throne holders of the Sakya School are known by the title ‘Sakya Trizin’.
12 Oct 17, 10:43 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. What happened in the 18th century?
12 Oct 17, 10:42 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Grace, that's right but Sakya Kunga Lodro is not considered one of the 5 founding fathers
12 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
Jacinta: Yes! (hehehe) @Choong_Moderator: Looks like we have to do revision work ... lol
12 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
graceleong: Sakya Trizins claimed that Kunga Lodro was himself an emanation of Dorje Shugden. This is based on the teachings from the blog : Sakya Lineage and Dorje Shugden.
12 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right, there was a strong alliance between the Mongol emperor of China Kublai Khan and the Sakyas
12 Oct 17, 10:41 PM
shelly tai: Q5: The Sakya lamas became so famous that the Mongol emperors of China, Kublai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon his lama Chogyal Pakpa.
12 Oct 17, 10:40 PM
graceleong: Sakya Trizins claimed that Kunga Lodro was himself an emanation of Dorje Shugden. This is based on the teachings from the blog
12 Oct 17, 10:40 PM
Jacinta: Q5. The Sakya became famous and powerful in the 13th century. Describe this development. Ans: This was due to the Mongols emperors of CHina became their patron and in 1253 CE, the Mongol emperor of China, Kublai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon his lama, Chogyal Pakpa.
12 Oct 17, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: Looks like we have to do revision work ... lol
12 Oct 17, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: The two are Sachen Kunga Nyingpo and Sakya Pandita
12 Oct 17, 10:39 PM
Caryn: A5: The Sakya lamas became so famous that the Mongol emperors of China became their patrons. In 1253 CE, the Mongol emperor of China, Kublai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon his lama, Chogyal Pakpa. The Sakya rule of Tibet during this period lasted for a century.
12 Oct 17, 10:39 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: The Sakya became famous and powerful in the 13th century supported with the Mongol emperors of China became their patrons. The Mongol emperor of China, Kulai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon his lama, Chogyal Pakpa in 1253 CE. The Sakya had ruled Tibet for a century during that time.
12 Oct 17, 10:38 PM
Cc: A5.The Sakya lamas became so famous that the Mongol emperors of China became their patrons. In 1253 CE, the Mongol emperor of China, Kublai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon his lama, Chogyal Pakpa. The Sakya rule of Tibet during this period lasted for a century.
12 Oct 17, 10:38 PM
Jacinta: Actually Sachen Kunga Lodro = Kunga Nyingpo right Moderator?
12 Oct 17, 10:38 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A5: The Sakyas became so famous that the Mongol emperors became their patron. In 1253, Kublai Khan conferred the dominion of Tibet upon Chogyal Pakpa. The Sakya clan ruled Tibet for about 100 years.
12 Oct 17, 10:36 PM
Jacinta: Sakya Sonam Rinchen was the one who introduced DS into the Sakya and also placed it with other two Protector, Lord Setrap and Lord Tsiu Marpo.
12 Oct 17, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Not Sakya Pandita.
12 Oct 17, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Kunga Nyingpo and Kunga LOdro, I think
12 Oct 17, 10:34 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q5. The Sakya became famous and powerful in the 13th century. Describe this development.
12 Oct 17, 10:34 PM
Choong_Moderator: Yes @Cc, Sachen Kunga Nyingpo
12 Oct 17, 10:33 PM
Cc: Kunga Nyingpo ?
12 Oct 17, 10:33 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Jacinta is correct also - Sachen Kunga Nyingpo who is regarded as Avalokiteshvara
12 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): @Choong. i remember is Kunga Nyingpo
12 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
Choong_Moderator: Sakya Pandita definitely
12 Oct 17, 10:32 PM
Jacinta: My pleasure Lum
12 Oct 17, 10:31 PM
Jacinta: Sachen Kunga Nyingpo right?
12 Oct 17, 10:31 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Kunga Lodro was an emanation of Dorje Shugden. He received all the DS transmission from his own father.
12 Oct 17, 10:31 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Kunga Nyingpo n Sonam Rinchen?
12 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The 5 were Sachen Kunga Nyingpo (1092-1158 CE), his two sons Sonam Tsemo (1142-1182 CE) and Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen (1147-1216 CE), his grandson Sakya Pandita (1182-1251 CE) and the Sakya Pandita’s nephew Chogyal Pakpa (1235-1280 .
12 Oct 17, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: You can Google...
12 Oct 17, 10:28 PM
Choong_Moderator: Does anyone remember from previous weeks' chat, whom of these five are also emanations of Dorje Shugden?
12 Oct 17, 10:28 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you Jacinta for the family tree of the Sakya clan.
12 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
Caryn: A4: 1) Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, his two sons 2) Sonam Tsemo and 3) Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen, his grandson 4) Sakya Pandita and Sakya Pandita’s nephew 5) Chogyal Pakpa.
12 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
Jacinta: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SakyaLineage-1.jpg
12 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Q4. Who are the five great early Sakya masters? A4: The five great early Sakya masters are Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, his two sons Sonam Tsemo and Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen, his grandson Sakya Pandita and the Sakya Pandita's nephew Chogyal Pakpa.
12 Oct 17, 10:27 PM
Jacinta: Q4. Who are the give great early Sakya masters?Ans: The Sakya tradition was established and proliferated by five great early Sakya masters – Sachen Kunga Nyingpo (1092-1158 CE), his two sons Sonam Tsemo (1142-1182 CE) and Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen (1147-1216 CE), his grandson Sakya Pandita (1182-1251 CE) and the Sakya Pandita’s nephew Chogyal Pakpa (1235-1280 CE).
12 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
Cc: Sorry using phone.
12 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A4: The five great early Sakyas were: (1) Sachen Kunga Nyingpo (2) Sonam Tsenmo (3) Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen (4) Sakya Pandita and (5) Chogyal Pakpa.
12 Oct 17, 10:26 PM
Cc: Sachen Kunga Nyingpo (1092-1158 CE), his two sons Sonam Tsemo (1142-1182 CE) and Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen (1147-1216 CE), his grandson Sakya Pandita (1182-1251 CE) and the Sakya Pandita’s nephew Chogyal Pakpa (1235-1280 CE).
12 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Cc: Ignore
12 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Cc: A4.TsemRinpoche.com
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The Sakya Lineage & Dorje Shugden
BY PASTOR DAVID LAI | MAR 20, 2016 | VIEWS: 4,932
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Dorje Shugden has a long history of practice within the holy Sakya Lineage. Click to enlarge
(By Tsem Rinpoche and Pastor David)
Dear friends,
It is a well-known fact that Dorje Shugden has a long history of association and practice within the Sakya School of Tibetan Buddhism. In fact, Dorje Shugden was first enthroned and propitiated within the Sakya School before becoming a widespread protector practice within the Gelug tradition.
The account of how this came to be was told beautifully by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in his writings on Dorje Shugden. That is why in our tradition, we request Dorje Shugden to come forth from the great Sakya monastery when we engage in his pujas today. This can be seen in the invocation verses of Dorje Shugden puja that was composed by Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche.
There are however claims made by certain parties these days that Dorje Shugden’s practice within the Sakya tradition was only a minor practice and that it has disappeared completely. Curious to find out more, I did a bit of research and I found that Dorje Shugden is not just a minor practice but actually a major protector practice within the Sakya tradition.
Dorje Shugden was one of their main protector practices and considered an emanation of Avalokiteshvara, the Buddha of Compassion (an early Sakya belief). In fact, two of the Sakya Trizins were even considered incarnations of Dorje Shugden. How can a spirit incarnate as a Sakya throne holder? The evidence is clear that Dorje Shugden is not a minor practice and he is not a spirit either. Do read further to check out what I have discovered through my research.
Pastor David
www.davidlai.me<br>
OverviewIntroLamasFormsKangsol (Pt 1)Pt 2PrayersGalleryAddendum
Overview of Tibetan Buddhism
Buddhism has a particularly long history in Tibet. It first entered Tibet during the reign of Emperor Songtsen Gampo around 650 CE. It was a century later that Buddhism began to seep deeper into the fabric of Tibetan civilization. This occurred during the period between the reigns of Trisong Detsen in 775 CE and Tri Ralpachen in 838 CE.
Emperor Songtsen Gampo and his wives, Princess Bhrikuti of Nepal (viewer
There was a decline in Buddhism directly after this period due to the reign of King Langdharma (838 – 842 CE) who actively sought to exterminate Buddhism from Tibet. He was to be the last Tibetan king and upon his death, Tibet entered into a 200-year dark age during which there was no centralized system of rule and no patrons of the Dharma either. However, Buddhism somehow managed to survive through this challenging time.
From the 900 to 1200 CE there was a revival of Buddhism due to the lively exchange between Tibetan translators who travelled to India and Indian masters that made the journey to Tibet. By the 14th century, Buddhism in Tibet had become systematized into the four major Schools of Tibetan Buddhism that we know today, namely the Nyingma, Sakya, Kagyu and Gelug. However, all four schools trace their origins back to the historical founder and fully enlightened one, Buddha Shakyamuni.
An outline of the Sakya tradition of Tibetan Buddhism
Introduction to the Sakya Tradition
The great origins of the Sakya teachings is traced back to the Indian Mahasiddha Virupa of the 9th Century. In the scriptures he has several other names, including Birwapa, and his life is recounted as one of the greatest of the 84 Mahasiddhas in terms of miraculous attainments.
Virupa, Indian Mahasiddha. The origins of the Sakya Tradition stem back to Virupa
His main teachings are called Lamdre, which literally means the ‘Path and the Fruit’ teachings. Lamdre forms the main backbone of the teachings within the Sakya tradition. These teachings were brought into Tibet by the Indian scholar Gayadhara (994-1043 CE) and were translated by his Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe (992 – 1072 CE). Drogmi Lotsawa in turn transmitted these precious teachings to his main disciple Khon Konchok Gyalpo (1034-1102 CE). In 1073 CE, Khon Konchok Gyalpo founded the Sakya monastery in the Tsang region of central Tibet. It was named Sakya, which meant ‘grey earth’ due to the colour of the surrounding soil.
The 3rd holder of the Sakya throne, Kunga Nyingpo. Click to enlarge
Thus, the Sakya lineage was born and is closely linked to the Khon family lineage, who are believed to be celestial beings. The Sakya tradition was established and proliferated by five great early Sakya masters – Sachen Kunga Nyingpo (1092-1158 CE), his two sons Sonam Tsemo (1142-1182 CE) and Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen (1147-1216 CE), his grandson Sakya Pandita (1182-1251 CE) and the Sakya Pandita’s nephew Chogyal Pakpa (1235-1280 CE).
12 Oct 17, 10:25 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q4. Who are the five great early Sakya masters?
12 Oct 17, 10:24 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q4. Who are the give great early Sakya masters?
12 Oct 17, 10:24 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thanks Choong.
12 Oct 17, 10:23 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Khon Konchok Gyalpo was the main student of Drogmi Lotsawa, who transmitted the precious teachings to. Khon KOnchok founded the Sakya School with the monastery in Tsang.
12 Oct 17, 10:22 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A3: Khon Konchok Gyalpo was Drogmi Lotsawa's main disciple and received the Lamdre teachings from Drogmi Lotsawa. Khon Konchok Gyalpo founded the Sakya monastery in the Tsang region of central Tibet.
12 Oct 17, 10:22 PM
Choong_Moderator: The great Sakya Monastery in Tibet. It is very unique as it has a moat around it, probably to stave off invaders. http://www.szakja.hu/kepek/Sakya-Monastery.jpg
12 Oct 17, 10:20 PM
graceleong: Q3. Who is Khon Konchok Gyalpo? A: Khon Konchok Gyalpo was the main disciple of Drogmi Lotsawa. Khon Konchok Gyalpo founded the Sakya monastery in the Tsang region of central Tibet.
12 Oct 17, 10:20 PM
Cc: A3.KHon Khonchok Gyalpo is disciple of Drogmi Lotsaea and founded the Sakya monestary
12 Oct 17, 10:19 PM
Caryn: A3: Khon Konchok Gyalpo was the main disciple of Drogmi Lotsawa and he founded the Sakya monastery in the Tsang region of central Tibet. Sakya means “grey earth” due to the colour of the surrounding soil.
12 Oct 17, 10:19 PM
Jacinta: Q3. Who is Khon Konchok Gyalpo? Ans : He is the founder of Shakya and disciple of Drogmi Lotsawa
12 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
Jacinta: Q2. Who brought the Lamdre teachings to Tibet, who translated them into Tibetan? Ans:The teachings of Lamdre was brought to Tibet by Gayadhara, an Indian Scholar and it was translated by Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe
12 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A3: Khon Khonchok Gyalpo is the disciple of Drogmi Lotsawa. Khon Khonchok founded the Sakya Monastery in Tibet.
12 Oct 17, 10:18 PM
Cc: A2.These teachings were brought into Tibet by the Indian scholar Gayadhara (994-1043 CE) and were translated by his Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe (992 – 1072 CE)
12 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q3. Who is Khon Konchok Gyalpo?
12 Oct 17, 10:17 PM
Jacinta: Q1. To whom do the Sakya teachings trace back to? What are his main teachings called? Ans: It can trace back to the Indian Mahasiddha Virupa and the teaching is called Lamdre as "the Path and the Fruit
12 Oct 17, 10:16 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hllo Jacinta.
12 Oct 17, 10:15 PM
Cc: A1. The teachings comes from great Mahasidda Virupa. The teaching is The Lamdre
12 Oct 17, 10:15 PM
Jacinta: Sorry for late joining in
12 Oct 17, 10:15 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Rinpoche and others
12 Oct 17, 10:14 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A2: The Lamdre teachings were brought to Tibet by Indian scholar Gayadhara and these teachings were translated by His Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe.
12 Oct 17, 10:14 PM
Caryn: A2: The Lamdre teachings were brought to Tibet by the Indian scholar Gayadhara and were translated by his Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe.
12 Oct 17, 10:14 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A2: The teachings were brought into Tibet by Gayadhara who is an Indian scholar. The translation were done by his disciple - Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe.
12 Oct 17, 10:13 PM
graceleong: Q2. Who brought the Lamdre teachings to Tibet, who translated them into Tibetan? A: The teachings were brought into Tibet by the Indian scholar Gayadhara and were translated by his Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe.
12 Oct 17, 10:13 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The Indian scholar Gayadhara and they were translated by his Tibetan disciple and translator, Drogmi Lotsawa Shakya Yeshe. Hllo Caroline.
12 Oct 17, 10:13 PM
Cc: Hi Rinpoche , Pastor Han Nee and everyone
12 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A1: The Sakya teachings can be traced back to the 9th century Indian Mahasiddha Virupa, who was also known as Birwapa and one of the greatest of the 84 Mahasiddhas for miraculous attainments. His main teachings are called Lamdre, which means 'the Path and the Fruit' teachings. Lamdre becomes the main backbone of the teachings in Sakya tradition.
12 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q2. Who brought the Lamdre teachings to Tibet, who translated them into Tibetan?
12 Oct 17, 10:12 PM
Choong_Moderator: That right Mahasiddha Virupa. He was the Chancellor of Nalanda University until he left to find his Guru in Tilopa.
12 Oct 17, 10:10 PM
graceleong: Hi Pastor Han Nee !!
12 Oct 17, 10:10 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Grace.
12 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: It is a well-known fact that Dorje Shugden was propitiated by the Sakyas before becoming a Gelug practice. 1) Mahasiddha Virupa . The Lamdre(Path and Fruit).
12 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
graceleong: Q1. To whom do the Sakya teachings trace back to? What are his main teachings called? A: The teachings orginates from the great Mahasidda Birupa. The teaching is called Lamdre.
12 Oct 17, 10:09 PM
Caryn: A1: It traced back to the Indian Mahasiddha Virupa of the 9th century who is also known as Birwapa. His life is recounted as one of the greatest of the 84 Mahasiddhas and his main teachings are called Lamdre, which literally means the “Path and the Fruit” teachings.
12 Oct 17, 10:08 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A1: The Sakya teachings can be traced back to Mahasiddha Virupa. He has several names, including Birwapa and he is considered as one of the greatest of the 84 Mahasiddhas. The main teachings are called Lamdre (Path and Fruit).
12 Oct 17, 10:07 PM
graceleong: Good evening Rinpoche. Good evening Pastor. Good evening Choong, Lum, Kin Hoe and Caryn and all !
12 Oct 17, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q1. To whom do the Sakya teachings trace back to? What are his main teachings called?
12 Oct 17, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Let's begin
12 Oct 17, 10:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Glad to have you back with us tonight, Choong.
12 Oct 17, 10:04 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Hi Kin Hoe
12 Oct 17, 10:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Good evening Lum and Pastor Han Nee.
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