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30 Apr 17, 08:34 AM
mark s: Nicholas Roerich, very nice. New favorites. Thank you Rinpoche. Hope you will locate the book you mentioned Rinpoche, as it looks to be superb. :) Wonder the translation from Russian?
30 Apr 17, 08:22 AM
mark s: Impressive @Choong :) Inspired. I always wanted to paint Thangka. This fellow was a master.
30 Apr 17, 08:19 AM
Choong: Hi mark s, it's like Wow! isn't it?
30 Apr 17, 08:13 AM
mark s: Amazing is this book of paintings by George Roerich. Thank you so much Choong! :) Thank you to all at Kechara for your support. Thank you Rinpoche for making this all possible. So much to be gained in visiting this site each and everyday! Many thanks from Canada. May you be well, always. :)
30 Apr 17, 08:05 AM
Choong: Rinpoche, the original 1925 book Tibetan Paintings by George Roerich is available on Scribd in color here: [be]https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/109604885/George-Roerich-Tibetan-Paintings-1925
30 Apr 17, 03:46 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8e9v4187.jpg I am looking for this book. Can anyone find it? If you can direct me to where I can order, it would be much appreciated.
30 Apr 17, 03:44 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8dp51652.jpg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8dtt9439.jpg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8dtx4981.jpg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8du91746.jpg I love paintings by Nicholas Roerich. They are spiritual, evocative, simple yet it touches something deep within me. I am a great admirer of Nicholas Roerich. I have visited his museum in NYC. I wish to visit the large one in Moscow one day very much.
30 Apr 17, 03:42 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8dn83542.jpg I like this beautiful Mongolian thangka of Buddha overcoming Mara. Simple, complex yet beautiful.
30 Apr 17, 03:42 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxrf8dhs1066.jpg Gorgeous and powerful Yamantaka altar in Tibet. It is beautiful.
29 Apr 17, 03:20 PM
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29 Apr 17, 03:18 PM
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29 Apr 17, 03:17 PM
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29 Apr 17, 03:16 PM
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29 Apr 17, 03:16 PM
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29 Apr 17, 03:15 PM
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29 Apr 17, 12:31 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Sharon - see you next week
29 Apr 17, 12:31 PM
Pastor Shin: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice?
I learnt about the significance of the Twenty-Four Holy Places and the Eight Great Charnel Grounds, their origins and why these are conducive places for practice. It covers quite a lot in such a short article. Thank you everyone and see you next week!
29 Apr 17, 12:31 PM
Sharon Ong: Thank you for moderating this session, Valentina. Thank you, Rinpoche and everyone for making this Saturday online Dharma class a good learning platform.
29 Apr 17, 12:31 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Rinpoche for providing us with the platform to learn and interact with each other
29 Apr 17, 12:30 PM
jeffry william: Thank you Rinpoche, Valentina for moderating and everybody involved in the blogchat today.
29 Apr 17, 12:30 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Sofi, Victor, and Pastor Niral for participating in this blog chat session
29 Apr 17, 12:29 PM
Sofi: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Valentina for moderating and everyone for the informative infomations.
29 Apr 17, 12:29 PM
Pastor Niral Patel: Thank you Rinpoche, moderator and everyone who took part. See you all next week
29 Apr 17, 12:27 PM
Victor.C: Thank you Rinpoche, Moderator and everyone!
29 Apr 17, 12:26 PM
valentina_moderator: See you next week Choong :)
29 Apr 17, 12:26 PM
Choong: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastors, Moderator and chatters.
29 Apr 17, 12:25 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Jeffry for participating in today's blog chat despite the time difference... looking forward to seeing you in this chatroom next week
29 Apr 17, 12:24 PM
jeffry william: 6. What did you learn from the article? Answer: I learn a lot from the topic to the point it gave me understanding that we can perceive such place like charnel grounds from the other aspects in contrary to the norm but can be beneficial to ace in one's spiritual attainment. I also learn that charnel grounds offers conducive atmosphere for spiritual practice and along with the visualization methods taught by great masters in the past are very effective to overcome ego, attachment, and delusion.
29 Apr 17, 12:23 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Wei Theng and Pema - don't forget to do your dedication yaa...
29 Apr 17, 12:23 PM
Joy: Please EVERYONE RMEMBER TO DO YOUR DEDICATIONS. Don't waste this learning session to be another worldly activity but a virtuous one that will help us grow spiritually. Thank You!
29 Apr 17, 12:23 PM
Pema.Thinley: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Niral, Valentina and everyone. Have a good day
29 Apr 17, 12:23 PM
Wei Theng: Thank you Rinpoche. Thanks Valentina for moderating, Pastors & all for sharing.
29 Apr 17, 12:23 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Joy - Looking forward to your moderating session next week :)
29 Apr 17, 12:22 PM
Joy: Thank you Rinpoche for providing us this platform to learn and expand our Dharma knowledge. To share and create a firm foundation for the growth of our spiritual path. Thanks Valentina for moderating.
29 Apr 17, 12:22 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Yau Mun - see you next week
29 Apr 17, 12:22 PM
Wei Theng: a blog post on Sky Burial : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/art-architecture/sky-burial-of-tibet-warning-viewer-discretion-is-advised.html?nomobile
29 Apr 17, 12:22 PM
valentina_moderator: @Yau Mun - I also learned a lot from the post :) especially about charnel grounds and the significance of these places in helping Buddhist practitioners to reach their ultimate goals - which is enlightenment
29 Apr 17, 12:22 PM
Yau Mun: Thank you Rinpoche, Valentina and have a good weekend ahead everyone.
29 Apr 17, 12:21 PM
Wei Theng: I learned a lot from Heruka and also the significant of the 24 holy places. Also the 8 great channel ground. Now i understand why people will go there to meditate.
29 Apr 17, 12:21 PM
Joy: Next Blog chat topic is… Kyabje Zong Rinpoche’s Advice on Dorje Shugden’s Practice http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/kyabje-zong-rinpoches-advice-on-dorje-shugdens-practice.html
29 Apr 17, 12:20 PM
Yau Mun: Q6 Ans: It give me a better understand that what is sky burial and charnel ground is.
29 Apr 17, 12:20 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you all for participating in today's blog chat session and for the interesting discussion... do not forget to do your dedication and see you next week :)
29 Apr 17, 12:20 PM
Choong: @Pastor Niral, yes I have read about that, once again the charnel ground is the abode of powerful protectors. I still wonder which 8 wrathful protectors resides in the 8 charnel grounds in the article.
29 Apr 17, 12:19 PM
Joy: On Citipati... we can read up on Dharma Protectors of Tibetan Buddhism >>> http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dharma-protectors-of-tibetan-buddhism.html and I love this carving of Citipati https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-B4kdPUQAEseH2.jpg
29 Apr 17, 12:19 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphw2de1315.jpg - the lord of death in Charnel grounds - an artist's depiction
29 Apr 17, 12:19 PM
Sharon Ong: Thank you, Pastor Niral.
29 Apr 17, 12:17 PM
Victor.C: @valentina, Hmmm.. many areas to consider because for civil record of death for both country.
29 Apr 17, 12:16 PM
Sofi: A6 : From this article, I have learnt of how Mahadeva and Kalratri came to be under Vajrayogini's feet and of the 24 holy places on earth left in place by compassion of Buddha Heruka. Also how meditation on charnel ground helps us to detach from the worldly attachments and to focus on leaving sufferings ourselves in order to help others. Tantrically, the meditation helps us to achieve the completion stages.
29 Apr 17, 12:16 PM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, did you know that Citipati are an emanation of Heruka and Vajrayogini in the form of a protector? They are also present where ever Heruka and Vajrayogini are. They are very powerful protectors indeed.
29 Apr 17, 12:16 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Choong for posting the picture of Citipati :)
29 Apr 17, 12:15 PM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Sharon, the names have been posted in English. I would need to check the sanskrit and the see if they have a modern correlation. If i find out, i will let you know.
29 Apr 17, 12:15 PM
Victor.C: @Choong Yes, rarely sees Vultures in Malaysia. >>>Choong: @Victor, sky burial is apparently rare these days. Not enough vulture population which has apparently been wiped out by some kind of viral disease.
29 Apr 17, 12:14 PM
Choong: Citipati, lord(s) of the charnel ground http://www.tibetanart.com/Covers/325.jpg
29 Apr 17, 12:14 PM
Victor.C: @Joy Thank you the information >>>@Victor I believe the sky burial is still happening in remote places in Tibet. I think it does not matter if you are a foreigner, if that is your request and you are a Buddhist and you request for them to do this for you and make the necessary arrangements, I am sure it can be done... nothing is impossible. Check out these stunning pictures from The Guardian: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3301536/The-Tibetan-sky-burials-bodies-chopped-left-picked-clean-vultures-dead-Heaven.html
29 Apr 17, 12:13 PM
Joy: @Choong looks like there's still heaps of vultures here... maybe they all flock to Tibet because there's more meat there lol... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnISAAZa3Ys
29 Apr 17, 12:13 PM
Pema.Thinley: A6. I never knew about these holy places and channels. It was very meaningful and learnt a lot from the post. It is very beneficial for the spiritual attainments as the practice involves invocation of the enlightened beings from those places. It is said those beings assistance is swift and we will be able to cut through our ego more effectively. It was deep and profound.
29 Apr 17, 12:12 PM
Sharon Ong: Pastor Niral, do any of the 8 Charnel Grounds still exist? Cos in the post it mentioned Ancient India.
29 Apr 17, 12:12 PM
Wei Theng: Thank you Pastor Niral for the explanation "Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, the list you have posted is part of Nyingma classification of deities who are all referred as generally as 'Heruka'. In the Gelugpa system when we talk about Heruka, we usually mean Heruka Chakrasamvara. The blogpost is referring to the stories surround Heruka Chakrasamvara. The two traditions differ in this respect."
29 Apr 17, 12:11 PM
valentina_moderator: I agree with you JP - The Buddha taught 84,000 methods to suit various dispositions that will ultimately help sentient beings to reach enlightenment - JP: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice? I learnt that Buddhism uses very creative methods to help practitioners come to a realization of impermanence and the nature of emptiness. It is extremely profound and necessary if we want to be liberated from Samsara and ultimately become Enlightened.
29 Apr 17, 12:11 PM
Joy: @Victor I believe the sky burial is still happening in remote places in Tibet. I think it does not matter if you are a foreigner, if that is your request and you are a Buddhist and you request for them to do this for you and make the necessary arrangements, I am sure it can be done... nothing is impossible. Check out these stunning pictures from The Guardian: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3301536/The-Tibetan-sky-burials-bodies-chopped-left-picked-clean-vultures-dead-Heaven.html
29 Apr 17, 12:10 PM
Jenn_Yuen: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice? Answer : It allows me to understand the significance of these places and how they may aid us in our practices. It tells us how compassionate the Buddha is by turning something that was harming to something that benefited all.
29 Apr 17, 12:10 PM
JP: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice? I learnt that Buddhism uses very creative methods to help practitioners come to a realization of impermanence and the nature of emptiness. It is extremely profound and necessary if we want to be liberated from Samsara and ultimately become Enlightened.
29 Apr 17, 12:10 PM
valentina_moderator: @Victor - I think Sky burial is not exclusive for Tibetans. However, whether one can get sky burial or not will also depend on the local customs or your final resting place.
29 Apr 17, 12:09 PM
Choong: A6. I really like the idea of these meditations, how they arouse our kleshas and how we can meditate to transcend them.
29 Apr 17, 12:09 PM
Joy: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice? I learnt a lot especially about how Heruka came about to subdue Shiva and Rudra and how these great charnel ground arose and it's symbolism. I love it! I love the meaning behind it and the visualisation of every single aspect, wrathful and gruesome but it is very very meaningful and if we contemplate upon it... we can truly change our minds and life. Hence, tantric practices is the QUICKEST way to purify, gain attainments and eventually achieve enlightenment because it is a fast track that cuts through all misconceptions we have/project and perceive of our sleves and things around us and especially our ego which is nothing/does not exist.
29 Apr 17, 12:08 PM
valentina_moderator: @Choong, what an interesting insight. However, although our bodies may not be eaten by vultures, if we are buried, there will be other animals who will consume our flesh. - @Victor, sky burial is apparently rare these days. Not enough vulture population which has apparently been wiped out by some kind of viral disease.
29 Apr 17, 12:06 PM
Choong: @Victor, sky burial is apparently rare these days. Not enough vulture population which has apparently been wiped out by some kind of viral disease.
29 Apr 17, 12:05 PM
Li Kim: REPLY to Q5: 1) The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness. 2) The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception. 3) The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.
29 Apr 17, 12:05 PM
Victor.C: @joy Tibetan Buddhism sky burial only to Tibetan? Foreigner able to do it?
29 Apr 17, 12:05 PM
valentina_moderator: No. 6 is the final question for the day
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
valentina_moderator: 6. What did you learn from the article? How is the information in the article be useful in your spiritual practice?
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
valentina_moderator: Answer to question 5 part 3:
The various stupas represent the three bodies of a Buddha.
The Nagas represent the cultivation of the Six Paramitas.
The Yogins and Yoginis represent practitioners who hold their tantric samaya well.
The Wisdom-Holders (Sanskrit: Vidhyadharas) represent those who have realised the generation stage of tantric practice.
The Mahasiddhas represent those practitioners who have realised the completion stage of tantric practice.
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
valentina_moderator: Answer to question 5 part 2:
The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception.
The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.
The clouds in the sky represent the drops of Bodhicitta at the crown of one’s head.
The various fires represent Tummo or Inner Heat (Sanskrit: Candali). • The various Dikpalas or direction protectors symbolise the ‘downward-voiding wind’ which is located below the navel.
The various Lokapalas or realm protectors represent the ‘life-supporting wind’ which is located at the heart.
The mountains symbolise the immovability of meditative stability with the inseparability of bliss and emptiness as its focus.
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
valentina_moderator: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
Any three examples from the list below are correct:
The great central trees in each charnel ground represent the central energy channel of the practitioner, known as Tsa-Uma (Tibetan) or Sushumna (Sanskrit).
The ground itself represents the path of practice (the entire sutra and tantra teachings).
The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness.
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
valentina_moderator: Thank you for the responses - and I am happy to see that the chatroom participants have studied the topic in advance...
29 Apr 17, 12:04 PM
Yau Mun: Q5 Ans: a. The various stupas represent the three bodies of a Buddha. b. The Wisdom-Holders (Sanskrit: Vidhyadharas) represent those who have realised the generation stage of tantric practice. c. The Mahasiddhas represent those practitioners who have realised the completion stage of tantric practice.
29 Apr 17, 12:03 PM
Joy: This may be a bit morbid to some but in Tibetan Buddhism sky burial is one of the greatest last act of giving as it is your final giving, which is giving back to nature your body which you have used and is of no use but just a shell. Here are two pictures, one pic shows us the grounds/land area for sky burial... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EnISAAZa3Ys/hqdefault.jpg http://www.tibettravel.org/assets/images/tibet-customs-and-culture/sky-burial-in-tibet.jpg
29 Apr 17, 12:02 PM
Adrian Chow: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. * The great central trees in each charnel ground represent the central energy channel of the practitioner, known as Tsa-Uma (Tibetan) or Sushumna (Sanskrit). * The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception. * The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.
29 Apr 17, 12:01 PM
Sofi: Thanks Wei Theng, got it already. :)
29 Apr 17, 12:00 PM
Wei Theng: @Sofi: Q 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
29 Apr 17, 12:00 PM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, I haven't come across any mention of them being related before...but they could be since all 8 practices include wrathful elements, and therefore would include similar imagery as has been mentioned.
29 Apr 17, 11:59 AM
valentina_moderator: @Sofi - thank you for catching up and @Joy thank you for reposting the question
29 Apr 17, 11:59 AM
Sofi: Thanks Sharon Ong.
29 Apr 17, 11:59 AM
JP: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. a) lakes represent aspiring bodhicitta at the crown of one's head. b) Nagas represent the cultivation of the 6 paramitas. c) stupas represent the 3 bodies of a Buddha.
29 Apr 17, 11:59 AM
Sofi: @Joy, thanks for reposting the question.
29 Apr 17, 11:59 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphv0h05355.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:58 AM
Sofi: A5 : 1. The ground itself represents the path of practice (the entire sutra and tantra teachings). 2. The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness. 3. The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception.
29 Apr 17, 11:58 AM
Pastor Patsy: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. Ans: 1) The various fires represent Tummo or Inner Heat (Sanskrit: Candali). 2) The various stupas represent the three bodies of a Buddha and 3) The Nagas represent the cultivation of the Six Paramitas.
29 Apr 17, 11:58 AM
jeffry william: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. Asnwer: 1) The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception. 2) The various fires represent Tummo or Inner Heat (Sanskrit: Candali). 3) The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness.
29 Apr 17, 11:58 AM
JP: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? The 8 great charnel grounds are the 8 quadrants of the mandala of the wrathful yidam.The visualization includes the great trees in each charnel ground,4 types of corpses , wrathful animals, lakes. clouds, various fires, various realm protectors, mountains, stupas, nagas yogins and yoginis, wisdom holders and the mahasiddhas.
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
Pastor Shin: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. ANS:
1. The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception.
2. The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.
3. The clouds in the sky represent the drops of Bodhicitta at the crown of one’s head.
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
Joy: @Sofi >>> 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
Sharon Ong: @Sofi - 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
Choong: @Pastor Niral, I'm aware of that. However since charnel grounds also where the (eight) wrathful deities reside to do their "job", I wonder if they are the same eight?
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphuzpv5777.jpg - After death we have no control of our bodies. An interesting custom in Tibet - After death, the relatives offered the bodies of the death to the vultures as the last offering
29 Apr 17, 11:57 AM
Sharon Ong: @Wei Theng You are super efficient! Provided the answers so FAST!
29 Apr 17, 11:56 AM
Joy: Thank you Pastor Niral glad you're here to clarify things :) >>> Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, the list you have posted is part of Nyingma classification of deities who are all referred as generally as 'Heruka'. In the Gelugpa system when we talk about Heruka, we usually mean Heruka Chakrasamvara. The blogpost is referring to the stories surround Heruka Chakrasamvara. The two traditions differ in this respect.
29 Apr 17, 11:56 AM
Victor.C: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. ANS:
1. The clouds in the sky represent the drops of Bodhicitta at the crown of one’s head.
2. The Wisdom-Holders (Sanskrit: Vidhyadharas) represent those who have realised the generation stage of tantric practice.
3. The Mahasiddhas represent those practitioners who have realised the completion stage of tantric practice.
29 Apr 17, 11:56 AM
Jenn_Yuen: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds. Answer : They are : 1. The great central trees in each charnel ground represent the central energy channel of the practitioner 2. The ground itself represents the path of practice (the entire sutra and tantra teachings). 3) The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.
29 Apr 17, 11:56 AM
Sofi: Hmmm, I don't see Question 5 yet. Can you please repost? Tq
29 Apr 17, 11:56 AM
Sharon Ong: Each of the aspects within the visualised charnel grounds symbolise tantric elements. There include:
1) The four types of corpses:
(i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence;
(ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego;
(iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and
(iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness.

2) The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception.

3) The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings.

29 Apr 17, 11:55 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, the list you have posted is part of Nyingma classification of deities who are all referred as generally as 'Heruka'. In the Gelugpa system when we talk about Heruka, we usually mean Heruka Chakrasamvara. The blogpost is referring to the stories surround Heruka Chakrasamvara. The two traditions differ in this respect.
29 Apr 17, 11:55 AM
Joy: @WeiTheng wah you have clairvoyance hehe
29 Apr 17, 11:55 AM
Pema.Thinley: Answer 5.
-The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception.
-The mountains symbolise the immovability of meditative stability with the inseparability of bliss and emptiness as its focus.
-The Yogins and Yoginis represent practitioners who hold their tantric samaya well.
29 Apr 17, 11:55 AM
Choong: A5. The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness.
29 Apr 17, 11:55 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 5: 1) The wrathful animals represent the realisations of the generation stage of Highest Tantra Yoga practices, as they devour the ‘corpses’ of ordinary perception. 2) The various lakes represent aspiring Bodhicitta or the aspiring thought to attain enlightenment for the benefit all of sentient beings. 3)The clouds in the sky represent the drops of Bodhicitta at the crown of one’s head.
29 Apr 17, 11:54 AM
Joy: Q5. Answer:
1) The Yogins and Yoginis represent practitioners who hold their tantric samaya well.
2) The Wisdom-Holders (Sanskrit: Vidhyadharas) represent those who have realised the generation stage of tantric practice.
3) The Mahasiddhas represent those practitioners who have realised the completion stage of tantric practice.
29 Apr 17, 11:54 AM
valentina_moderator: Haha - Yes Wei Theng - you are fast --- :) - Wei Theng: oops... i answered Q5 too. heheh
29 Apr 17, 11:54 AM
Fong: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
- The various stupas represent the three bodies of a Buddha.
The Nagas represent the cultivation of the Six Paramitas.
The Yogins and Yoginis represent practitioners who hold their tantric samaya wel
29 Apr 17, 11:54 AM
Sharon Ong: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? ANS: Within tantric practice the Eight Great Charnel Grounds have a deeper significance. In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:54 AM
Wei Theng: oops... i answered Q5 too. heheh
29 Apr 17, 11:53 AM
Jenn_Yuen: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? Answer : In the tantric practices, the eight quadrants surrounding the mandala of the deity are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:53 AM
valentina_moderator: 5. Please provide three examples of tantric symbolism within the visualisation of charnel grounds.
29 Apr 17, 11:52 AM
Wei Theng: Q4: In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds.
Each of the aspects within the visualised charnel grounds symbolise tantric elements. There include:
The great central trees in each charnel ground represent the central energy channel of the practitioner, known as Tsa-Uma (Tibetan) or Sushumna (Sanskrit). The ground itself represents the path of practice (the entire sutra and tantra teachings).
The four types of corpses: (i) New corpses represent birth, aging, sickness and death or cyclic existence; (ii) Decaying corpses, or those impaled, hanging or dismembered represent the death of the mistaken idea of the self or ego; (iii) Skeletons represent the realisation of Shunyata or emptiness; and (iv) Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness.
29 Apr 17, 11:52 AM
valentina_moderator: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation?
In the meditational practice of wrathful tantric deities, eight quadrants surrounding the mandala of the deity are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. Included as part of this visualisation are corpses in various states of decomposition and positions (e.g., lying down, sitting up, hung up, impaled, headless, rotting, etc.), various other wrathful beings (e.g., dakas, dakinis, wrathful yogis and yoginis), stupas, and fires.
29 Apr 17, 11:52 AM
Adrian Chow: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? A4. “The wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.”
29 Apr 17, 11:51 AM
Yau Mun: 4 Ans: In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:51 AM
Choong: 1) Yamantaka (Tib. Jampal Shinje, ’jam dpal sku) the wrathful Manjushri, the deity of body
2) Hayagriva (Tib. Pema Sung, padma gsung) the wrathful Amitabha, the deity of speech
3) Vishuddha/Sri Samyak (Tib. Yangdak Thuk, Wylie: yang dag thugs) the wrathful Vajrapani deity of mind
4) [Vajramrita (Tib. Dudtsi Yonten, bdud rtsi yon tan) the wrathful Samantabhadra, the deity of enlightened qualities
5) Vajrakilaya/Vajrakumara (Tib. Dorje Phurba, phur ba ‘phrin las), the wrathful Vajrasattva, the deity of purification
6) Matarah (Tib. Mamo Botong, ma mo rbod gtong) the wrathful Akasagarbha, the deity of calling and dispatching
7) Lokastotrapuja-natha (Tib. Jigten Chotod, ’jig rten mchod bstod) the wrathful Ksitigarbha, the deity of worldly offering and praise
8) Vajramantrabhiru (Tib. Mopa Dragnak, mod pa drag sngags) the wrathful Maitreya, the deity of wrathful mantras
29 Apr 17, 11:51 AM
Joy: @Li Kim I agree with you on that... we will be disturbed by the others whether or not we are in the cemetery or not because it is dependent on our karma with these beings and whether or not we are a magnet to attract them!!! And we have many friends who can vouch for that I am sure ;) Like you go there so many times and still okay how come?
29 Apr 17, 11:50 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, are you referring to the Eight Acharyas who were the students of Padmasambhava?
29 Apr 17, 11:50 AM
Pastor Shin: @Li Kim - Weekend supermarket shopping with kids create more chaos? :cool:
29 Apr 17, 11:48 AM
Li Kim: @Joy Thank you. In my line of work, I have access to cemeteries quite easily … hahahaha. Actually, when you have no ill-intent and are respectful, there is a calm and peace in cemeteries.
29 Apr 17, 11:48 AM
Joy: Q4 Answer: The Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice are the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:48 AM
Pastor Patsy: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? Ans: Within tantric practice the Eight Great Charnel Grounds have a deeper significance. In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:47 AM
Jenn_Yuen: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level? Answer : The great masters were able to meditate on death more clearly without distractions to to seduce them. On an ultimate level they would be able to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. And on a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:47 AM
Pema.Thinley: A4.
4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice?
Within tantric practice the Eight Great Charnel Grounds have a deeper significance. In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds.
What is included as part of the visualisation?
These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:47 AM
Choong: I have a question, does anyone know if these Eight Charnel Grounds relate to the Eight Great Acharyas?
29 Apr 17, 11:47 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Lew, Sofi and Dr. Chris for your answers. @Dr. Chris - Do you really believe whether zombies exist?
29 Apr 17, 11:46 AM
jeffry william: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? Answer: In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:46 AM
Pastor Shin: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation?
Within tantric practice the Eight Great Charnel Grounds have a deeper significance. In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:46 AM
Wei Theng: @joy, yes, we need to know where to choose :P
29 Apr 17, 11:46 AM
Victor.C: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? ANS:
- In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds
- visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc.
- There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:45 AM
Fong: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation?
- In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds.
- visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
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29 Apr 17, 11:45 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation? ANS: as part of the visualisation of wrathful deities, the eight outer quarters of the mandala are visualised as the Charnel Grounds. They include visualisation of corpses in various states of decay and in different positions, wrathful animals, dakas, dakinis, fires, and wrathful yogis and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:44 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 4 : Visualisation of charnel ground in tantric practice are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:44 AM
Sofi: A4 : Within tantric practice the Eight Great Charnel Grounds have a deeper significance. In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:44 AM
lew: A4: In the practices of the wrathful yidams (meditational deities), surrounding the mandala of the deity are eight quadrants which are visualised as the Eight Great Charnel Grounds. These visualisations are particularly wrathful and include corpses in various states of decomposition and in different positions such as lying down, sitting up, those who have been hanged, those who have been impaled, those who are headless, rotting, etc. There are also zombies, various other wrathful beings, and wrathful animals such as jackels, vultures, crows, etc. They also include various dakas, dakinis, stupas, fires and wrathful yogins and yoginis.
29 Apr 17, 11:44 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphuwao1631.jpg Yogins have meditated in charnel grounds and gained the highest of attainments
29 Apr 17, 11:43 AM
Choong: Wah, very long answer for Q4
29 Apr 17, 11:42 AM
Sofi: A3 (Part 2) : On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:42 AM
valentina_moderator: 4. How are the Eight Great Charnel Grounds visualised in tantric practice? What is included as part of the visualisation?
29 Apr 17, 11:42 AM
valentina_moderator: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level?
- The great masters and tantric adepts practiced in charnel grounds to meditate on death with greater clarity, as there were no distractions to seduce them.
- On the ultimate level, they sought to realize the impermanence of the self, which leads to the realisation of the true nature of existence. This is done through meditation and investigation of the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination.
- On the gross level, they sought to overcome the culturally ingrained fear that people have of frightening places such as charnel grounds.
29 Apr 17, 11:42 AM
valentina_moderator: @Wei Then - True that many of the modern day cemeteries are beautiful - however, they still remind us of death and our friends and relatives that have gone through that process - @Joy, the current cemetery side here maybe too beautiful & too commercialised & it may not help us on the death meditation anymore lol
29 Apr 17, 11:41 AM
Jenn_Yuen: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path? Answer : The methods are : Through (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself. The four very pivotal realisations are : (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:41 AM
Yau Mun: It is unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly. Q3 Ans: On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On the gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places. The wrathful beings and deities are said to reside in these Eight Great Charnel Grounds, therefore in some prayers, we invoke the wrathful deities from these places.
29 Apr 17, 11:39 AM
Choong: @Pastor Niral, there were quite a number of ascetics in Pashupati.
29 Apr 17, 11:39 AM
Joy: @Sharon haha I just posted that link too! Thinking on the same wave length!
29 Apr 17, 11:39 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphuu4y3516.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:39 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphuty12571.jpg After death - the body that we care so much will decompose
29 Apr 17, 11:38 AM
Joy: @WeiTheng you are right... but some old ones are not very well kept like the ones in Bentong!
29 Apr 17, 11:38 AM
Sharon Ong: @Joy, the yogis rubbing ashes from the deceased reminds me of the Aghoris. They have some really unusual practices. Rinpoche posted on Aghori here ->> http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/aghori.html
29 Apr 17, 11:38 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Choong, did you see anyone meditating at Pashupati? I heard that its common to see people meditating on death there as its a cremation ground.
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Jennifer - Nice to see you in the chatroom this morning :)
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
Joy: This is a very interesting post on the Aghori religion where yogis as depicted in the picture below still practices in charnel grounds... http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/aghori.html
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
valentina_moderator: @Choong - I agree with you - when we realise the impermanence of our body - we will be less attached - Charnel grounds are great places to purify attachment/aversion I would think.
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
Pastor Patsy: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level? Ans: The charnel ground represents the death of the ego, and therefore our suffering, as well as the methods of how to accomplish this. Through (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
Jenn_Yuen: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? Answer : There was a god named Rudra at one time. He was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue and a very fierce being with many consorts. They oppressed sentient beings, promoted violence and unethical behaviour. Heruka arose, and liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees. The 8 charnel grounds are 1)The Sitavana Cool Grove 2) Perfected in Body 3) Lotus Mound 4) Lanka Mound 5) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound 6) Display of Great Secret 7) Pervasive Great Joy 8) World Mound
29 Apr 17, 11:37 AM
Choong: Let me tell you a true story. We were on a visit to Pashupati, the extremely holy place where amongst other things Hindus would creamte their bodies. As we were taking in the environment which included the bodies of the dead by the river bank in various stages of cremation, it suddenly occured to me that the place smelled of barbecued meat, particularly pork which the Chinese call Bak Kua. I made that remark and I think after that, I think no more Bak Kua for the pp in the group.
29 Apr 17, 11:36 AM
Wei Theng: @Joy, the current cemetery side here maybe too beautiful & too commercialised & it may not help us on the death meditation anymore lol
29 Apr 17, 11:36 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: sorry, my last two posts were supposed to be only one
29 Apr 17, 11:36 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: valentina_moderator: @Joy - I agree with you thank you for the information - They practice DEATH meditation more clearly as there are no distractions when they practice at the charnel grounds. Ultimately this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence and to gain enlightenment. They meditate, and investigate on the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/53605.html
29 Apr 17, 11:36 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: This is a very powerful teaching, and forms one of the rings on the common depiction of the Tibetan Buddhist Wheel of Life, it's a must watch for those interested in Buddhist practice:
29 Apr 17, 11:35 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Jeffry - Maybe you can share some insight as to why people are afraid of charnel grounds and try not to think of the inevitable - Death.. :)
29 Apr 17, 11:35 AM
Wei Theng: @Li Kim, Rinpoche also have an youtube teaching on Death meditation : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/kechara-13-depts/last-night-i-spoke-about-death-meditation-in-more-detail.html
& one more on dying process : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-dying-process.html
29 Apr 17, 11:34 AM
Joy: Some pictures of Indian yogis meditating on death and they wear burnt ashes from the dead on their body... https://blausternschlonge.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/chod-pa.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:34 AM
JP: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level? This is because they use charnel grounds to realise impermanence of the self oin the ultimate level. On a gross level, it is used to overcome fear.
29 Apr 17, 11:33 AM
jeffry william: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level? Answer: Because charnel grounds are perceived by many as terrifying places, full of decomposing bodies, wild animals, wandering ghosts and other terrifying beings. Therefore, tantric adepts and great masters, unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly. On the ultimate level, this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On the gross level, it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:33 AM
Joy: @Li Kim we can meditate on death at funerals in modern times because if we go to the cemetery here, we'd probably be told off! Lol. But in India there are many yogis who still do this practice.
29 Apr 17, 11:33 AM
Adrian Chow: A3. “In ancient many great masters of the tantric adepts of the past practiced in charnel grounds. Unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly. On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places. The wrathful beings and deities are said to reside in these Eight Great Charnel Grounds, therefore in some prayers, we invoke the wrathful deities from these places.”
29 Apr 17, 11:33 AM
Pastor Shin: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level?
Tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds as they were able to meditate on death more clearly, unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death with no distractions to seduce them. On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence, achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:33 AM
valentina_moderator: @Joy - I agree with you thank you for the information - They practice DEATH meditation more clearly as there are no distractions when they practice at the charnel grounds. Ultimately this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence and to gain enlightenment. They meditate, and investigate on the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/53605.html
29 Apr 17, 11:32 AM
Sofi: Q3 : From a spiritual perspective the charnel ground represents the death of the ego, and therefore our suffering, as well as the methods of how to accomplish this. Through (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:31 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: @Li Kim, you raised a good question. One answer would be to include meditation on death into our regular practice. Of course it would be easier if we were to see death, to be in charnel grounds, but these realisations can be accomplished out of the charnel ground.
29 Apr 17, 11:31 AM
Joy: Q3 Answer:
They practice DEATH meditation more clearly as there are no distractions when they practice at the charnel grounds. Ultimately this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence and to gain enlightenment. They meditate, and investigate on the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination : http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/53605.html
29 Apr 17, 11:31 AM
valentina_moderator: @Li Kim - meditating in charnel grounds is only one of the ways to realise impermanence. However, it is not the only way. Although we are living in the city, there are many evidence of impermanence around us. Our friends or someone we know may have passed away, and our bodies will grow old. - I have a question: Given that we cannot easily go to these places as stated in the article, HOW would one achieve what can be achieve these here in our city-life? How can one relate this "reality" we live in and still get progress towards the pivotal realisations?
29 Apr 17, 11:31 AM
Victor.C: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level? ANS:
-Because -n ancient times it was here that great masters attained many ‘siddhis’ or attainments and many of the great tantric adepts of the past practiced in charnel grounds. Unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly.
On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination.
On gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:30 AM
Fong: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level?
REASONS TO PRACTICE IN CHARNAL GROUNDS
- to be unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them to be able to meditate on death more clearly.
- On an ultimate level, this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination.
-On gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places. The wrathful beings and deities are said to reside in these Eight Great Charnel Grounds, therefore in some prayers, we invoke the wrathful deities from these places.
29 Apr 17, 11:30 AM
Pema.Thinley: A3. In ancient times it was here that great masters attained many ‘siddhis’ or attainments. Many of the great tantric adepts of the past practiced in charnel grounds. Unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly.
-On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence.
- On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places.
29 Apr 17, 11:29 AM
Choong: A3. Charnel grounds are great places to purify attachment/aversion I would think.
29 Apr 17, 11:28 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 3 : Unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly. On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination. On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places. The wrathful beings and deities are said to reside in these Eight Great Charnel Grounds, therefore in some prayers, we invoke the wrathful deities from these places.
29 Apr 17, 11:28 AM
Li Kim: I have a question: Given that we cannot easily go to these places as stated in the article, HOW would one achieve what can be achieve these here in our city-life? How can one relate this "reality" we live in and still get progress towards the pivotal realisations?
29 Apr 17, 11:28 AM
JP: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path? To overcome ego, the methods are A) To meditate on the frightening environment B) To meditate on the various states of decomposition of the bodies C) To meditate on death The 4 pivotal realisations are A) To overcome our attachment to the body and life B) To overcome craving for a body in the future C) To overcome fear of death D) To overcome the aversion to the decay as it is part of impermanence
29 Apr 17, 11:27 AM
lew: A3: Unfettered from adhering to cultural norms relating to life and death, and with no distractions to seduce them, they were able to meditate on death more clearly. On an ultimate level this is useful to realise the impermanence of the self as a means to realise the true nature of existence. This is achieved through meditation and investigation of the Dvadasanga-Pratityasamputpada or the Twelve Links of Dependent Origination.

On a more gross level it can be used to overcome fear, due to the culturally ingrained fear people have of such places. The wrathful beings and deities are said to reside in these Eight Great Charnel Grounds, therefore in some prayers, we invoke the wrathful deities from these places.
29 Apr 17, 11:26 AM
valentina_moderator: 3. Why did tantric adepts and great masters of ancient times practice in charnel grounds? What did they seek to achieve by meditating in charnel grounds on an ultimate and gross level?
29 Apr 17, 11:26 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Yau Mun and Li Kim
29 Apr 17, 11:26 AM
Li Kim: REPLY to Q2: The four ways to squash our EGO are: (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. And they are: (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:26 AM
Yau Mun: Q2 Ans: The methods to over come ego are through a. meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, b. meditation on the frightening environment, and c. meditation on death itself, One is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that i. one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, ii. craving for a body in the future, iii. the fear of death itself and iv. aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:26 AM
valentina_moderator: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path?
The methods to overcome the ego are:
1. Meditative concentration on the various states of decomposition of the bodies;
2. Meditation on the frightening environment;
3. Meditation on death.
By using these methods, we can obtain the pivotal realisations on our spiritual path to overcome:
1. The attachment to our body and life;
2. Craving for a body in the future;
3. The fear of death itself;
4. Aversion to the decay that is part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:25 AM
valentina_moderator: What an interesting picture Choong :)
29 Apr 17, 11:25 AM
valentina_moderator: True - I agree with you PJA - Welcome :) in those teachings, Rinpoche elaborates on the benefits of meditating on death and how we can do a simple meditation on death. Doing this regularly, we will see ourselves becoming less and less attached
29 Apr 17, 11:24 AM
Choong: "Reanimated and mindless zombies represent the realisation of selflessness." http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2936083.1483639046!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/lvzombies6n-1-web.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:24 AM
valentina_moderator: Even today, many Buddhist practitioners still meditated in charnel grounds/ cemetery to help them with their practice
29 Apr 17, 11:24 AM
Pastor Jean Ai: Welcome :) in those teachings, Rinpoche elaborates on the benefits of meditating on death and how we can do a simple meditation on death. Doing this regularly, we will see ourselves becoming less and less attached
29 Apr 17, 11:24 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Pastor Patsy
29 Apr 17, 11:23 AM
Pastor Patsy: Good morning, Rinpoche, Moderators and everyone.
29 Apr 17, 11:23 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphupt05698.jpg Another picture of charnel grounds
29 Apr 17, 11:23 AM
Adrian Chow: A2. “(a) Meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) Meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) Meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.”
29 Apr 17, 11:22 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Jean Ai and Pastor Shin for the links to the posts that will help us in our practice to realise impermanence
29 Apr 17, 11:22 AM
Pastor Shin: Thank you Pastor Jean Ai for the links>> Pastor Jean Ai: "meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies" - Rinpoche has a very powerful teaching on this called "The Dying Process" http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-dying-process.html as well as "Body of a courtesan in nine stages" http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/art-architecture/body-of-a-courtesan-in-nine-stages.html
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
Pema.Thinley: A2.
Methods to overcome the ego:
(a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies,
(b) meditation on the frightening environment, and
(c) meditation on death itself.

The four pivotal realisations:
(i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life,
(ii) craving for a body in the future,
(iii) the fear of death itself and
(iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: Thanks for the links Pastor Jean Ai, these are very good posts to help us in our practice.
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphupfk9902.jpg Meditation on death and impermenance is integral on the path towards enlightenment
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
Joy: Q2 Answer: Methods to overcome the ego are:
(a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies,
(b) meditation on the frightening environment, and
(c) meditation on death itself.
The four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path:
(i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life,
(ii) craving for a body in the future,
(iii) the fear of death itself and
(iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
jeffry william: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path? Answer: Several methods to overcome the ego: (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself. Four pivotal realisations include (1) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (2) craving for a body in the future, (3) the fear of death itself and (4) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:21 AM
Pastor Jean Ai: "meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies" - Rinpoche has a very powerful teaching on this called "The Dying Process" http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-dying-process.html as well as "Body of a courtesan in nine stages" http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/art-architecture/body-of-a-courtesan-in-nine-stages.html Here's one sample image from the second link http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/5.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:20 AM
Pastor Shin: ANS 2: METHODS TO OVERCOME EGO:
a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies (b) meditation on the frightening environment (c) meditation on death itself

THE FOUR PIVOTAL REALISATIONS:
(i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life (ii) craving for a body in the future (iii) the fear of death itself (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence
29 Apr 17, 11:20 AM
valentina_moderator: @Choong, I agree with you that overcoming our ego is very important and one of the steps one must achieved in the journey towards enlightenment
29 Apr 17, 11:20 AM
Sharon Ong: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path? ANS: The methods are:

(a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies,

(b) meditation on the frightening environment, and

( (c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that

( (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life,
( (ii) craving for a body in the future,
( (iii) the fear of death itself and
( (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:19 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Lew, Fong and Victor for the response
29 Apr 17, 11:19 AM
Chris Chong: Answer 2: Methods to over come ego : (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself. The four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path: (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:19 AM
Victor.C: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path? ANS:
- By doing meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies,
- By meditation on the frightening environment, and
- meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path.
- one has to overcome attachment to the body and life,
- craving for a body in the future,
- the fear of death itself and
- aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:18 AM
Choong: A2. The method to overcome ego is to gain enlightenment. The three pivotal realizations are renunciation, Bodhicitta and Shunyata.
29 Apr 17, 11:18 AM
Fong: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path?
METHODS TO OVERCOME EGO: -(a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies,
(b) meditation on the frightening environment, and
(c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path.
THE FOUR PIVOTAL REALISATIONS: -
(i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life,
(ii) craving for a body in the future,
(iii) the fear of death itself and
(iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:18 AM
lew: A2: Through (a) meditation concentrating on the various states of decomposition of the bodies, (b) meditation on the frightening environment, and (c) meditation on death itself, one is able to come to four very pivotal realisations in one’s spiritual path. These are that (i) one has to overcome attachment to the body and life, (ii) craving for a body in the future, (iii) the fear of death itself and (iv) aversion to the decay that is a part of impermanence.
29 Apr 17, 11:17 AM
Joy: Yes @Li Kim I find that too.... this topic certainly explains the great compassionate energy of the Buddhas like Heruka and Vajrayogini who uses samsara itself to subdue us samsaric beings... gods included for they have karma
29 Apr 17, 11:16 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Lew
29 Apr 17, 11:16 AM
valentina_moderator: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphun889208.jpg Dancing amid blazing wisdom fire Heruka liberated Rudra's mind
29 Apr 17, 11:15 AM
Victor.C: I see.. I thought the same as God Shiva too.
29 Apr 17, 11:15 AM
valentina_moderator: 2. From the spiritual perspective, charnel grounds represent the death of the ego and suffering, and the methods of how to accomplish this. What are the methods to overcome the ego? What are the four pivotal realisations that we need to achieve on our spiritual path?
29 Apr 17, 11:15 AM
valentina_moderator: Let's move on to question no. 2...
29 Apr 17, 11:15 AM
lew: A1: At one time there was a god by the name of Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue. He was a very fierce being who also had many of his own consorts. Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
29 Apr 17, 11:15 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Pastor Niral for the information. Yes Li Kim - it is amazing to see how an enlightened being can help to transform negative qualities into something positive.
29 Apr 17, 11:14 AM
Joy: Apparently this is how he looks like... similar to Mahadeva/Shiva https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1b/ce/8b/1bce8b2a5bc1e48086f5b429bac26a96.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:13 AM
Joy: Thank you Pastor Niral on this trivia >>> Pastor Niral Patel: A bit of trivia: Rudra is common confused with Mahadeva these days (the god mentioned in the first have of the blogpost). But he was actually one of the gods who ruled the storms. His name means 'the one who howls'.
29 Apr 17, 11:13 AM
Sharon Ong: Thank you for the interesting fact, Pastor Niral.
29 Apr 17, 11:13 AM
JP: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? A god named Rudra and his consorts promoted violence and unethical behaviour and also oppressed sentient beings. Heruka arose and liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. Rudra's body parts fell on several places. These places became charnel grounds. Rudra's head, heart, navel, and private organ fell in our 4 cardinal directions. His limbs the intermediate directions. From these body parts 8 great trees arose. These charnel grounds are 1.The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) 2. Perfected in Body (in the South) 3. Lotus Mound (in the West) 4. Lanka Mound (in the North) 5. Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) 6. Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) 7. Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) 8. World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:13 AM
Li Kim: I find this article pretty amazing. Despite the origins of these powerful and holy places having been "negative" and "ill-intended", the compassion and fully-enlightened beings like Heruka and Vajrayogini can change them to positive and holy places. I cannot help but imagine how this can change us and relieve us from the sufferings of samsara.
29 Apr 17, 11:12 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: A bit of trivia: Rudra is common confused with Mahadeva these days (the god mentioned in the first have of the blogpost). But he was actually one of the gods who ruled the storms. His name means 'the one who howls'.
29 Apr 17, 11:12 AM
jeffry william: ,1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? Answer: Once upon a time, there was a god named Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue. He was a very fierce being who also had many of his own consorts and together they began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. These charnel grounds are named as 1) The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) 2) Perfected in Body (in the South) 3) Lotus Mound (in the West) 4)Lanka Mound (in the North) 5) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) 6) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) 7) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) 8) World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:12 AM
valentina_moderator: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds?
- Long ago, there was a god named Rudra who was a very fierce being, and together with his consorts, promoted violence, and unethical behaviour.
- When Heruka, out of his great compassion, liberated the god Rudra and sent his mind to a pure land, the places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds.
- Rudra’s energy centres (i.e., head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions.
- Eight trees grew in the places where these body parts fell, and the charnel grounds developed around these trees. The names of the charnel grounds are: 1. The Sitavana Cool Grove; 2. Perfected in Body; 3. Lotus Mound; 4. Lanka Mound; 5. Spontaneously Accomplished Mound; 6. Display of Great Secret; 7. Pervasive Great Joy; 8. World Mound.
29 Apr 17, 11:12 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Li kim, Fong, SharonDr. Chris, Victor, and Yau Mun for the answers
29 Apr 17, 11:12 AM
Victor.C: Part 2
- The most important charnel grounds in Ancient India and they are known as:
- The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East)
- Lotus Mound (in the West)
Lanka Mound (in the North)
Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East)
Display of Great Secret (in the South-West)
Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West)
World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:11 AM
Yau Mun: Continue... f. Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) g. Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) h. World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:11 AM
Yau Mun: Q1 Ans: Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue, he was a very fierce being who also had many of his own consorts. Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees. Name of Charnel Ground are: a. The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) b. Perfected in Body (in the South) c. Lotus Mound (in the West) d. Lanka Mound (in the North) e. Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) f. Display of
29 Apr 17, 11:10 AM
Chris Chong: The 8 great charnel ground formed from Rudra's body when it fell after being liberated by Heruka. The names are 1) The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) 2) Perfected in Body (in the South) 3)Lotus Mound (in the West) 4)Lanka Mound (in the North) 5) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) 6) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) 7) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) 8) World Mound (in the North-East).
29 Apr 17, 11:10 AM
Victor.C: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? ANS:
- A god by the name of Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue.
- Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour.
- Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands.
- The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds and his four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions.
- His limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
29 Apr 17, 11:10 AM
Joy: Q1. Answer:
There was a god named Rudra who was part pf Mahadeva's retinue. He was very fierce and also had many consorts and he oppressed sentient beings, promoted violence & unethical behaviour so Heruka subdued him and liberated his him out of great compassion, sending his mind to pure land & his body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
Names of these Charnel grounds are:
1. The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) 2. Perfected in Body (in the South) 3. Lotus Mound (in the West) 4. Lanka Mound (in the North) 5. Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) 6. Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) 7. Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) 8. World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:09 AM
Fong: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds?
ANS -
- Heruka liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands.
- Rudra was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue.
- Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour.
- The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds.
- The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) Perfected in Body (in the South) Lotus Mound (in the West) Lanka Mound (in the North) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:09 AM
Li Kim: REPLY to Q1: After Heruka compassionately liberated Rudra, the places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees. These 8 grounds were called:1) The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) Perfected in Body (in the South) Lotus Mound (in the West) Lanka Mound (in the North) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:09 AM
Sharon Ong: The 8 Charnel Grounds are:
1) The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East)

2) Perfected in Body (in the South)

3) Lotus Mound (in the West)

4) Lanka Mound (in the North)

5) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East)

6) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West)

7) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West)

8) World Mound (in the North-East)

29 Apr 17, 11:08 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Pema and Adrian for the response. It seems that everybody has read the article well before this chat session. I rejoice and very happy to see the effort :)
29 Apr 17, 11:07 AM
Adrian Chow: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? “At one time there was a god by the name of Rudra.Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.” The names of charnel grounds: 1. The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) 2. Perfected in Body (in the South) 3. Lotus Mound (in the West) 4. Lanka Mound (in the North) 5. Spontaneously Acco
29 Apr 17, 11:07 AM
Pema.Thinley: They are known as: The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East)
Perfected in Body (in the South)
Lotus Mound (in the West)
Lanka Mound (in the North)
Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East)
Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:07 AM
Pastor Jean Ai: QUESTION: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? ANSWER: there was a god by the name of Rudra who engaged in unethical behaviour and promoted violence. Heruka appeared and liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies. Their minds were sent to pure lands and wherever Rudra's body fell became the charnel grounds. (1) The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East) (2) Perfected in Body (in the South) (3) Lotus Mound (in the West) (4) Lanka Mound (in the North) (5) Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East) (6) Display of Great Secret (in the South-West) (7) Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West) (8) World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:07 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you Choong for the names of the 8 charnel ground. Please find the picture of an artist's depiction of charnel ground http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-8yxphuk938951.jpg
29 Apr 17, 11:07 AM
Pastor Shin: The names of these charnel grounds are: The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East), Perfected in Body (in the South), Lotus Mound (in the West), Lanka Mound (in the North), Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East), Display of Great Secret (in the South-West), Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West), and World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:06 AM
Pema.Thinley: A1. At one time there was a god by the name of Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue. He was a very fierce being who also had many of his own consorts. Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour.
At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands.
The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds.
Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions.
It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
29 Apr 17, 11:06 AM
Choong: The Sitavana Cool Grove (in the East)
Perfected in Body (in the South)
Lotus Mound (in the West)
Lanka Mound (in the North)
Spontaneously Accomplished Mound (in the South-East)
Display of Great Secret (in the South-West)
Pervasive Great Joy (in the North-West)
World Mound (in the North-East)
29 Apr 17, 11:05 AM
Pastor Shin: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds?
A god by the name of Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue, together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
29 Apr 17, 11:04 AM
valentina_moderator: Thank you for your answer Sharon, I see that you have prepared for this blog chat session. Maybe you can also add the name of the eight Charnel Grounds in your response? :)
29 Apr 17, 11:03 AM
Sharon Ong: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds? ANS: Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue and a very fierce being. Like Mahadeva, he too had many of his own consorts. Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. Rudra’s four energy centres (his head, heart, navel and private organ) fell in the four cardinal directions, and his limbs fell in the intermediate directions. It was from these body parts that eight great trees arose, and from here the charnel grounds developed around these trees.
29 Apr 17, 11:02 AM
valentina_moderator: Hi Yau Mun
29 Apr 17, 11:02 AM
Yau Mun: Good Morning Rinpoche and Everyone
29 Apr 17, 11:02 AM
valentina_moderator: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds?
29 Apr 17, 11:02 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Chris and Pema - Thank you for participating in this morning's blog chat
29 Apr 17, 11:01 AM
Pema.Thinley: Good Morning Rinpoche and everyone
29 Apr 17, 11:01 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Pastor Niral
29 Apr 17, 11:01 AM
Chris chong: Good morning everyone.
29 Apr 17, 11:01 AM
Pastor Niral Patel: Good morning everyone!
29 Apr 17, 11:00 AM
valentina_moderator: 1. According to the article, how were the Eight Great Charnel Grounds formed? What are the names of these charnel grounds?
29 Apr 17, 11:00 AM
valentina_moderator: Ok Let's start with the first question
29 Apr 17, 11:00 AM
valentina_moderator: Today, we will have an interesting discussion about Eight Charnel Grounds
29 Apr 17, 11:00 AM
jeffry william: It is my pleasure to learn, thanks Val. Hi, Pastor Shin nice to see you also :)
29 Apr 17, 10:59 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Pastor Jean Ai
29 Apr 17, 10:59 AM
Pastor Jean Ai: Hi and good morning all
29 Apr 17, 10:58 AM
valentina_moderator: Hello Adrian - welcome to the chatroom
29 Apr 17, 10:57 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Choong and Sharon - thank you for joining today's blog chat session...
29 Apr 17, 10:57 AM
Adrian Chow: Good Morning Rinpoche and everyone!
29 Apr 17, 10:57 AM
Sharon Ong: Good morning, Rinpoche and everyone!
29 Apr 17, 10:57 AM
Choong: Good morning Rinpoche. Hello @valentina_moderator and chatters.
29 Apr 17, 10:56 AM
valentina_moderator: Hi Pastor Shin
29 Apr 17, 10:56 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning Rinpoche, Valentina and everyone. Jeffry, nice to see you here.
29 Apr 17, 10:56 AM
valentina_moderator: Hello Jeffry - Thank you for joining this blog chat session. I know that it is still very early in Sweden :)
29 Apr 17, 10:55 AM
jeffry william: Good morning Rinpoche, Valentina and everybody in the room :)
29 Apr 17, 10:55 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning Victor - nice to see you in this chatroom :)
29 Apr 17, 10:54 AM
Victor.C: :)
29 Apr 17, 10:54 AM
Victor.C: Good Morning Rinpoche, Moderator and Everyone
29 Apr 17, 10:52 AM
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29 Apr 17, 10:51 AM
Joy: Good morning... 9 more minutes to blog chat! Valentina is our moderator for the day.
29 Apr 17, 10:51 AM
valentina_moderator: Good morning - Li Kim. Nice to see you in this chat room
29 Apr 17, 10:50 AM
Li Kim: Good Morning Rinpoche and all. Looking forward to blog chat.
29 Apr 17, 10:45 AM
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29 Apr 17, 10:01 AM
valentina: See you in today’s blog chat in one hour time (11AM - 12PM (GMT +8)) on the topic of:

Twenty-Four Holy Places & Eight Great Charnel Grounds part 2 - (focus topic: Eight Great Charnel Grounds)

At one time there was a god by the name of Rudra who was originally part of Mahadeva’s retinue. He was a very fierce being who also had many of his own consorts. Together with his consorts he began to oppress sentient beings, and promoted violence and unethical behaviour. At that time, Heruka once again arose, and in a dance of great compassionate wrath, liberated Rudra and his consorts from their physical bodies, sending their minds to pure lands. The places where Rudra’s body parts fell became charnel grounds. …read more by clicking the following link:

http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/twenty-four-holy-places-eight-great-charnel-grounds.html
27 Apr 17, 11:32 PM
Pastor Han Nee: THank you Rinpoche, Choong for moderating and everyone. Goodnight.
27 Apr 17, 11:32 PM
Anne Ong: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone. Goodnight and sweet dreams :)
27 Apr 17, 11:30 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Thank you Rinpoche, @PHN, @Choong and everyone.
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Yew Seng, thank you Rinpoche.
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Pema.Thinley: Jangchub........... Thank you Rinpoche, Thank you Choong and everyone. Good night _()_
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Wan Wai Meng: The Power of Reliance - Taking refuge is trusting by applying the buddha teachings we can purify all manner of karma and the truth of the dharma, generating bodhicitta to repair the relationship between you and the sentient beings that you hurt. I thought thats really lovely.
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Yew Seng: good nite everyone
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Yew Seng: thank you choong.. learnt much today.
27 Apr 17, 11:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you everyone who participated and especially those who stayed. Let's make our dedications.
27 Apr 17, 11:27 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q15. What are the two forms of confession? - Ultimate and Relative. Ultimate is meditating on emptiness, and the other is relative chanting mantras, prostrations, making buddha statues with the 4 opponent powers.
27 Apr 17, 11:27 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The Mahayana of the Three Superior Heaps has four Opponent Powers within. If recited well , together with prostrations, all four opponen t powers would have been applied. However, the power of reliance has to be seen at two levels. Taking refuge and generating Bodhicitta. Both are also in the Sutra.
27 Apr 17, 11:26 PM
Choong_Moderator: Tq @Anne
27 Apr 17, 11:25 PM
Pema.Thinley: A15. Ultimate and Relative confession
The ultimate or greater confession is the meditation on the lack of inherent existence of all phenomena.
The relative or lesser confession is the application of the four opponent powers combined with prostration.
27 Apr 17, 11:25 PM
Anne Ong: 14. The practice of prostrating or recitation of the Mahayana Sutra of the Three Superior Heaps contains the remedy’ and refuge’ components. Therefore if it is done with sincere regret and firm resolve not to repeat the transgression, it becomes very a potent counteracting measure to the negative karma that has been accumulated......
27 Apr 17, 11:24 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question. Q15. What are the two forms of confession?
27 Apr 17, 11:24 PM
Pema.Thinley: _()_ :) @choong
27 Apr 17, 11:23 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you @Pema
27 Apr 17, 11:23 PM
Pema.Thinley: A14. The practice of prostrating or recitation of the Mahayana Sutra of the Three Superior Heaps contains the
‘remedy’ and
‘refuge’ components
Therefore if it is done with sincere regret and firm resolve not to repeat the transgression, it becomes very a potent counteracting measure to the negative karma that has been accumulated.
27 Apr 17, 11:22 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Rejoicing in yours and others bad deeds, to me I think it increases ur negative karma.
27 Apr 17, 11:21 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Wai Meng, yes, increased
27 Apr 17, 11:21 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q14. How does the practice of prostrating or recitation of the Mahayana Sutra of the Three Superior Heaps purify?
27 Apr 17, 11:21 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Choong_Moderator: Rejoicing is not a multiplier - ok not multiply but increase ur merits. Rejoicing in in others actions u collect merit, hence ur merit is increased.
27 Apr 17, 11:21 PM
Choong_Moderator: A13. yes the 4 Rs
27 Apr 17, 11:20 PM
Pastor Han Nee: It is difficult for us to rejoice sincerely. But yes, if done well and with good sincere motivation and great joy for the object of your rejoicing then you garner merits easily from Rejoicing.
27 Apr 17, 11:20 PM
Anne Ong: A13. Regret Reliance on an object worthy of refuge. Determination not to repeat the downfall or misdeed again..
27 Apr 17, 11:20 PM
Choong_Moderator: Rejoicing is not a multiplier
27 Apr 17, 11:19 PM
Choong_Moderator: ...or merits
27 Apr 17, 11:19 PM
Celeste: Good nite and rest well Rinpoche and everyone at chat room. I have learnt a lot from tonight's session.
27 Apr 17, 11:19 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Wai Meng, when you rejoice for someone's actions, you benefit from the karma of merits generated by that action.
27 Apr 17, 11:19 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Choong_Moderator: Rejoicing is the antidote to jealousy. - You can also rejoice in mayhem and murder, but that of course does not cut one's jealousy.
27 Apr 17, 11:18 PM
Pema.Thinley: A13.
Regret Reliance on an object worthy of refuge
Determination not to repeat the downfall or misdeed
The application of the remedy or counteracting measures to purify the karma.
27 Apr 17, 11:18 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Choong_Moderator: @Wai Meng, how did we get to the topic of "rejoice"? - to me is the key to what multiplies merits and karma.
27 Apr 17, 11:18 PM
Choong_Moderator: Rejoicing is the antidote to jealousy.
27 Apr 17, 11:18 PM
Anne Ong: Q12. What is the main component of purification? Regret and confession..
27 Apr 17, 11:17 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Wai Meng, how did we get to the topic of "rejoice"?
27 Apr 17, 11:16 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q13. In order for the confession to truly purify the misdeed, it must be done in accordance with the Four Opponent Powers. What are they? - the 4Rs are Regret / Refuge / Remedy / Restraint.
27 Apr 17, 11:16 PM
Wan Wai Meng: I think the key to multiplying everything is the activity of rejoice. Rejoice is a sword thats cuts both ways.
27 Apr 17, 11:15 PM
Caryn: Sorry all, I have to leave now. Another interesting topic tonight and thank you for the sharing. Good night Rinpoche and all. Rest and sleep well.
27 Apr 17, 11:15 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q13. In order for the confession to truly purify the misdeed, it must be done in accordance with the Four Opponent Powers. What are they?
27 Apr 17, 11:15 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor and all in chat room. Gotta sign off now. Have learnt a lot from this session. May all be blessed and may all progress deeper into Dharma, for our sake and more importantly for others until Enlightenment. Good night.
27 Apr 17, 11:14 PM
Caryn: Confession. We have to be honest and open in all situations. And we must feel regret/remorse and vow to repeat the faults again.
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: The main component of purification is confession, which is to expose transgressions and lay them bare. Hence in Tibetan, confession is called shakpa or ‘laying it bare’. In Buddhist practice, keeping our transgressions a secret makes it difficult to purify, and the negative effects of the misdeed will continue. Hence, exposing our faults is what confession is all about; honesty and openness in all situations is the essence of Buddhist practice.
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Pema.Thinley: Okay @choong
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Our self-cherishing mind is always at work. hence our negative karma will multiply and increase at a very scary pace.Hence , we need to purify all the time.
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A12. The main component of purification is confession. We must be aware and we must confess for purification to take effect.
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: Nope, confession
27 Apr 17, 11:13 PM
Pema.Thinley: A12. Keeping our vows
27 Apr 17, 11:12 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q12. What is the main component of purification? - Regret
27 Apr 17, 11:12 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q12. What is the main component of purification?
27 Apr 17, 11:12 PM
Choong_Moderator: OK tq
27 Apr 17, 11:12 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Choong - Q 11 was asked befow.
27 Apr 17, 11:12 PM
graceleong: We generally do loads of self-cherishing activites daily. We can call it conditioning from young. For e.g eating meat. Because we can't shake off this attachment we will continue daily to commit negative karma eating meat. Eating is one of the most self cherishing activity which we are conditioned to "enjoy", especially being in this part of the world which have such irrisistible cuisine.
27 Apr 17, 11:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q11. How does karma multiply? Why does this make it so important for us to purify karma?
27 Apr 17, 11:11 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Yes, Anne If we purify and it is not powerful enough to completely purify, the purification will at least stop it from increasing..
27 Apr 17, 11:11 PM
Jacinta: Thank you Rinpoche,moderator and others. Need to log out
27 Apr 17, 11:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Wai Meng, I don't quite understand that so perhaps we do more research and thought
27 Apr 17, 11:10 PM
Pema.Thinley: So we need to be open and confess that we have committed such and such negative actions and apply the necessary remedies to stop it from multiplying. @Wai Meng _()_
27 Apr 17, 11:10 PM
Wei Theng: @WM, so we have to know how to use our money to do more offerings to a lama, our guru, temple, dharma institude, dharma books distributions etc so that we can multiply our merits (though not much but better than none)
27 Apr 17, 11:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: He was explaining the characteristics of karma -one characteristic is karma will multiply or increase.
27 Apr 17, 11:09 PM
Anne Ong: Q10. Why is the purification of karma important for us now? Cause it multiplies daily....
27 Apr 17, 11:08 PM
Jacinta: A11: karma multiply due to our predominantly self-cherishing actions
27 Apr 17, 11:08 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Choong Buddha was usin g that to explain that all karma will multiply.
27 Apr 17, 11:07 PM
Wan Wai Meng: A11. Let us say we committed a crime and we are happy about it. We have done a great harm to a person and we get satisfied about it. Over time, the negative karma gets multiplied as we keep on feeding that mentality. - Yes I agree with you.
27 Apr 17, 11:06 PM
Pema.Thinley: A11. Let us say we committed a crime and we are happy about it. We have done a great harm to a person and we get satisfied about it. Over time, the negative karma gets multiplied as we keep on feeding that mentality.
27 Apr 17, 11:06 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Yes @PHN i think you are right. My thinking is that if we let say donate money to a dharma institution and that institution persists, and benefits others, I think our merits will increase because we created the causes for that institution to be able to benefit others.
27 Apr 17, 11:06 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): @Pastor Han Nee. Thank you. Kechara Ipoh Study Group will have Pastor Gim Lee in Ipoh for Mother Tara retreat starts from 29th Apr until 1st May. :)
27 Apr 17, 11:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Pastor Han Nee, is it because she was serving a Buddha rather than an ordinary being?
27 Apr 17, 11:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good night. Happy hols to you too.
27 Apr 17, 11:05 PM
Anne Ong: A11. Negative karma multiplies due to our ignorance
27 Apr 17, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Sorry as i have to leave the blog chat now. Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all. Have a blessed holiday weekend ahead.
27 Apr 17, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A11: Negative karma multiplies because we continuously holding onto our self-cherishing mind. We have to put a stop from collecting more negative karma by applying the 4 opponents power through the purification practice.
27 Apr 17, 11:04 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A11. Negative karma multiplies over time due to our predominantly self-cherishing actions. The very source of our pain or sorrow is our self cherishing mind that makes us have projections, expectations, and mental afflictions which will make us more self cherishing and therefore, our negative karma multiplies.
27 Apr 17, 11:04 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Lamrim says both can multiply. There is an example of how a lady served Lord Buddha food and Buddha told her that her merit would multiply. The husband sneered at Lord Buddha for saying niceties to please his wife, but Buddha solemnly said ' no '. He was uttering a truth.
27 Apr 17, 11:04 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Pema, quite right
27 Apr 17, 11:03 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q11. How does karma multiply? Why does this make it so important for us to purify karma? - After doing that negative actions, and rejoicing after day 1, we could still be rejoicing in our negative actions. Let say we stole some money, first day we rejoice stolen, second day, we spend the money stole, obviously in a way happy about using this stolen so add on more karma to it. The moments we think about how glad we are at gotten and owning that money, is a moment more karma is added on.
27 Apr 17, 11:03 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q10. Why is the purification of karma important for us now? Answer: Becasue the law of cause and effect (karma-vipaka) has an inextricable link with our previous and future lives. In fact, the accumulation of karma in each life determines our next rebirth (known as throwing karma) and the circumstances of future lives (known as completing karma).
27 Apr 17, 11:02 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room.
27 Apr 17, 11:02 PM
Pema.Thinley: @Choong_Moderator: @Pastor Han Nee, from what I understand, merits can be multiplied at the point of generating the merits, for example on particular auspicious days or through performing multiplying mantras. However after generation, it cannot sit there and multiply.

Because we do not feed the habits that would accumulate merits like we do to accumulate karma?
27 Apr 17, 11:01 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The accumulation of our karma in this life determines both our throwing karma(which determines which realm w e take rebirth in) and our completion karma(which determines which set of conditions w e will be reborn into. You can have throwing karma to be reborn a s a human but your completion karma lands you in Somalia.
27 Apr 17, 11:01 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q11. How does karma multiply? Why does this make it so important for us to purify karma?
27 Apr 17, 11:00 PM
Wei Theng: The scary part is even if we are not doing anything, we also create karma....
27 Apr 17, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Pastor Han Nee, from what I understand, merits can be multiplied at the point of generating the merits, for example on particular auspicious days or through performing multiplying mantras. However after generation, it cannot sit there and multiply.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
Wei Theng: Thank you Pastor Han Nee for explanation: Merits can multiply , but w e have such a limited stock of merits, and they are easily overwhelmed by the huge amount of negative karma which also multiplies, if not purified.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q10. Why is the purification of karma important for us now? - We would not want the negative karma to create a situation that we cannot engage in dharma practices anymore. Plus we have not achieved a state that cannot regress back into samsara, so purifying is very important so it does not hamper our spiritual growth.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A10. It is important because the amount of our negative karma will determine our next or future lives. We carry the karma with us when we die in this life. And if the karma is not purified, it is added or multiplied. Worse, if it ripens when one is born, then the baby suffers so much during his/ her infancy days.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
Pema.Thinley: A10. To accumulate more merits to lessen the obstacles that would hamper our journey towards enlightenment for the benefit of all other beings.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
Celeste: Q10 - Because it will multiply daily and will ripen anytime.
27 Apr 17, 10:59 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A10: Purification of karma is important for us now to prevent us from getting rebirth in lower realms in our next lifetime. We do not know when our heart stops beating.
27 Apr 17, 10:58 PM
Jacinta: A10: purification practices is important so that it wil not hinder our Dharma practice. In this degenerate time, the circumstances for ripening of negative karma is much more intense now
27 Apr 17, 10:58 PM
graceleong: Q10. Why is the purification of karma important for us now? Cause it multiplies daily !!
27 Apr 17, 10:58 PM
shelly tai: Q10: purification practices are to prevent our merits from being overwhelmed.
27 Apr 17, 10:57 PM
Wei Theng: Thanks Choong
27 Apr 17, 10:57 PM
Anne Ong: A9: Due to strong negative karma..
27 Apr 17, 10:57 PM
graceleong: Also, technically it is not so easy to collect merits. How many things do we do that actually does NOT concern US, one way or another ??
27 Apr 17, 10:57 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Merits can multiply , but w e have such a limited stock of merits, and they are easily overwhelmed by the huge amount of negative karma which also multiplies, if not purified.
27 Apr 17, 10:56 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q10. Why is the purification of karma important for us now?
27 Apr 17, 10:56 PM
Choong_Moderator: I Like @Pema's explanation A9. Because negative karma multiplies over time due to our predominantly self-cherishing actions. We do more actions out of selfish reasons and that may accumulate more karma which would exceed the merits we have.
27 Apr 17, 10:55 PM
Celeste: A8 - Karma could be exhausted through purification done sincerely with the 4 opponents
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Caryn: This is due to our negative karma surpasses our merits. And negative karma can multiply.
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q9. Why is the inexhaustible merit sometimes not enough for us to benefit from? - 1 We may not have collected much merit previously and 2 We have not done actions similar to how those merits were colected in the first place, to trigger those merits to be in operation 3 Too much negative karma, the merits not able to manifest.
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Tq @Celeste, karma is generated if the intent is not selfless
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: The merits we currently accumulate might not sufficient to overcome the bigger portion of bad karma we have accumulated over many past lives.
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9. Our merits are overwhelmed by our negative karma. As a result, the merits are insufficient (so to speak) to "remove" us from the effects of negative karma ripening.
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Jacinta: A9: due to overwhelming of negative karma
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Pema.Thinley: A9. Because negative karma multiplies over time due to our predominantly self-cherishing actions. We do more actions out of selfish reasons and that may accumulate more karma which would exceed the merits we have.
27 Apr 17, 10:54 PM
Jacinta: A8: karma once created and be exhausted as opposed to merits. One of the way to exhaust karma is when we have experienced the karma or we can purify it
27 Apr 17, 10:53 PM
Celeste: Q8 - Karma the result of a person's actions weather positive or negative. And merit is where virtuous and selfless actions done for the benefit of others.
27 Apr 17, 10:53 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Wei Theng, unfortunately merits cannot multiply. But karma does because habits are repeated.
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Wei Theng: Merits is like putting deposits into bank. Can multiply. :)
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hence purification is so very necessary on a daily basis!
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Purification practices can be broadly identified as two types - 35 Confessional Buddhas and the Vajrasattva method. Which practice is more effective in expatiating our transgressions?
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hehe Pastor Han Nee has moved to question 9. Q9. Why is the inexhaustible merit sometimes not enough for us to benefit from?
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Yew Seng: when the motivation for the action is for others and towards enlightenment it becomes merit.. all others will be come karma. Karma can be exhausted when one realize emptiness.
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
graceleong: Q5. What can effectively explain inequality in this world? For example how some people are born in sheer poverty while others into the lap of luxury. A: the theory of Karma. At death the Karma seed that opens will determine our next rebirth and hence the subsequent conditions in life.
27 Apr 17, 10:52 PM
Anne Ong: A8. Karma is negative or positive actions originate from the self cherishing mind that benefit oneself. Karma is finite and it can be exhausted through purification practices. Merits are virtuous deeds with selfless motivation and aim to benefit others heading towards one's enlightenment.
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Our limited stock of merits can be overwhelmed by our huge amount of negative karma.
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
Wei Theng: A8: Karma is ordinary negative or positive actions that have arisen from the self-cherishing mind and are motivated directly or indirectly towards one’s benefit. As a result, karma is finite and can eventually be exhausted especially through purification practices.
On the other hand, merits are virtuous actions that are dedicated with a selfless intent and towards one’s enlightenment.
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q8. What is the difference between karma and merit? What can you do to exhaust karma? - Karma keeps us in samsara, and creates more cyclic rebirths for us and suffering, merit bring us closer towards enlightenment.
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Yes, the "good" thing about karma is that it is finite and can be exhausted via purification practices
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
shelly tai: Karma is ordinary negative or positive actions that have arisen from the self cherishing mind and are motivated directly or indirectly towards one benefits as a result karma is will eventually be exhausted and merits are virtuous actions that are dedicated with selfless intent and towards one's enlightenment .
27 Apr 17, 10:51 PM
Pema.Thinley: A8.
Karma is ordinary negative or positive actions that have arisen from the self-cherishing mind and are motivated directly or indirectly towards one’s benefit.

Merits are virtuous actions that are dedicated with a selfless intent and towards one’s enlightenment.{br]
Karma can be exhausted through purification practices like 35 confessional buddhas practice.
27 Apr 17, 10:50 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: Karma is negative or positive actions originate from the self cherishing mind that benefit oneself. Karma is finite and it can be exhausted through purification practices. Merits are virtuous deeds with selfless motivation and aim to benefit others heading towards one's enlightenment.
27 Apr 17, 10:50 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Anne Ong, or meritorious too
27 Apr 17, 10:50 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Karma refers to ordinary positive or negative actions that arise from our self-cherishing mind. Karma that is negative can be exhausted through purification.
27 Apr 17, 10:49 PM
Choong_Moderator: Tq @Lum
27 Apr 17, 10:49 PM
Anne Ong: A7 intent determines whether the action is going to be positive, negative
27 Apr 17, 10:49 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A8. Karma is ordinary negative or positive actions that have arisen from the self-cherishing mind and are motivated directly or indirectly towards one’s own benefit. As a result, karma is finite and can eventually be exhausted especially through purification practices. Merits are virtuous actions that are dedicated with a selfless intent and towards one’s enlightenment.
27 Apr 17, 10:47 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Anne.
27 Apr 17, 10:47 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q8. What is the difference between karma and merit? What can you do to exhaust karma?
27 Apr 17, 10:47 PM
Choong_Moderator: GOOD EVENING @ANNE ONG!!!
27 Apr 17, 10:47 PM
Anne Ong: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone. Sorry for being late. Was having a short nap after sadhana _/\_
27 Apr 17, 10:46 PM
Choong_Moderator: Tq @Wai Meng
27 Apr 17, 10:46 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q7. What is the single most important factor behind our actions that determines its consequences? - Our motivation, determines whether it is karma or merit.
27 Apr 17, 10:46 PM
Choong_Moderator: @shelly, or meritorious too
27 Apr 17, 10:46 PM
shelly tai: intent determines whether the action is going to be positive, negative
27 Apr 17, 10:46 PM
Choong_Moderator: "The intent also determines whether the action is going to be positive, negative or one that is to be added to our store of merits necessary for the attainment of enlightenment."
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Pastor Han Nee: It determines if it's karma or merit.
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Jacinta: A6: Karma Ks chaw and effect . Vipaka is ripening of karma
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Pema.Thinley: Intent determines the consequences of our actions.
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Choong - more basic - our deep and subtle intention.
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Han Nee
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Pastor Han Nee: It determines if it's a postive or negative action. It determines the consequences of the action.
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Jacinta: Intent determines if one action will turn into merit or karma. Must be free from eight worldly concerns
27 Apr 17, 10:45 PM
Choong_Moderator: Why is intent THE factor that determines the consequence of our actions?
27 Apr 17, 10:44 PM
Yew Seng: everything starts with intent .
27 Apr 17, 10:44 PM
Jacinta: A5: Intent
27 Apr 17, 10:44 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, more basic please
27 Apr 17, 10:44 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Choong - my point is the deep seated or root thought in our mind.
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
Choong_Moderator: Why is intent THE factor?
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Our motivation or intention.
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
Pema.Thinley: "The intent or motivation behind our actions is a subject that is much discussed in Buddhist teachings." That is why Rinpoche focuses on transforming our inner self.
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
shelly tai: Q7: the most important of these factors on the consequence of our actions is our intent.
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: Our motivation and intent behind our actions determines the consequences or the results or effects of one's action.
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, why ah?
27 Apr 17, 10:43 PM
Caryn: Our motivation.
27 Apr 17, 10:42 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Karma means actions of body, speech and mind. Vipaka means effects - the ripening and the maturation of karma comin g to us through the experiences.
27 Apr 17, 10:42 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7. It is our intention or motivation. This is the thoughts that is behind or in our mind.
27 Apr 17, 10:41 PM
Choong_Moderator: Hehe @Pema answered the next question Q7. What is the single most important factor behind our actions that determines its consequences?
27 Apr 17, 10:41 PM
Pema.Thinley: A6. Karma in ancient Sanskrit means the actions or deeds of our body, speech and mind.
The effects of karma are called vipaka or the ripening or maturation of karma, that comes back to us through the results and effects that we experience.

There are many factors behind every one of our actions that determines their consequences. The most important of these factors on the consequence of our actions is our intent.
27 Apr 17, 10:41 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6. Vipaka is the ripening of karma - the fruits of the action or deeds of our body, speech and mind
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: Karma is the action of body, speech and mind. Vipaka is the effects of karma or the ripening or maturation of one's karma. The effects of karma come back to us through the results and the effects we experience
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
Celeste: Q6 - Vipaka is a Buddhist term that refers to the ripening or maturation of karma or intentional actions.
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
Caryn: Karma means the actions or deeds of our body, speech and mind. Vipaka is the effects of karma i.e. ripening or maturation of karma, that comes back to us through the results and effects that we experience.
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q6. What is "karma", what is "vipaka"? - Karma means action, and Vipaka is the ripening of that action/karma.
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
shelly tai: Q6: Karma means the actions or deeds of our body, speech and mind
27 Apr 17, 10:40 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6. Karma is the actions or deeds of our body, speech and mind.
27 Apr 17, 10:39 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Buddha discovered the Law of Cause and Effect somewhat like Isaac Newton discovering the Law of Gravity.
27 Apr 17, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q6. What is "karma", what is "vipaka"?
27 Apr 17, 10:38 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right. The source of inequality is the inequality of causes or actions from previous lives.
27 Apr 17, 10:37 PM
Celeste: Q5 - All about the cause and effect - Karma
27 Apr 17, 10:37 PM
Jacinta: A6: the differences is due to karma .
27 Apr 17, 10:37 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: The inequality in this world can be observed and compared between the people who were born in difficult environment and the people who were born with many luxuries around. These differences are due to the ripening of different karmas from previous lives among all people.
27 Apr 17, 10:37 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Karma - ripening of different karma from previous lives. Karma is the only logical explanation that is both compelling and convincing.
27 Apr 17, 10:36 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A5. Inequality is actually the ripening of karma from previous lives. How come one can be born with a silver spoon whilst another be born into an abject poverty family? The ripening of karma explains the different situations one is born or brought into.
27 Apr 17, 10:35 PM
shelly tai: Q5: the way to explain the inequality in this world is Karma
27 Apr 17, 10:35 PM
Pema.Thinley: A5. Karma - cause and effect.
27 Apr 17, 10:34 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q5. What can effectively explain inequality in this world? For example how some people are born in sheer poverty while others into the lap of luxury. - Answered :)
27 Apr 17, 10:34 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q5. What can effectively explain inequality in this world? For example how some people are born in sheer poverty while others into the lap of luxury.
27 Apr 17, 10:33 PM
Pema.Thinley: A4. It is the observations based on reasons and those reasons are deduced from the results or end product.
27 Apr 17, 10:33 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Yew Seng, yes, the logic of that is everything must be caused.
27 Apr 17, 10:33 PM
Jacinta: A4: Observation based on reason
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A4. It is observation based on reason. Eg., if there is smoke, there has to be fire somewhere.
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
Yew Seng: Another example from Rinpoche , is , if you exist today, it means you must have existed , yesterday , last year , etc etc.
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
shelly tai: Q4: inferential logic observation based on reason.
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A4: Inferential logic can be explained as observations based on reason.
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
Caryn: Observations based on logic reasoning.
27 Apr 17, 10:32 PM
graceleong: Q4. What is inferential logic? A : Observation based on reasoning
27 Apr 17, 10:31 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Observations made based on logical reasoning.
27 Apr 17, 10:30 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q4. What is inferential logic? - If there is smoke, there fire somewhere although you can see it directly.
27 Apr 17, 10:30 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q4. What is inferential logic?
27 Apr 17, 10:29 PM
Choong_Moderator: Yes, Pastor Han Nee, Lama Tsongkhapa was being his humble self.
27 Apr 17, 10:29 PM
Wan Wai Meng: He had visions of 35 confessional Buddha. Vajrayogini practice was only discovered later after Tsongkhapa passed away when his students went through all his things, he kept it secret about Vajrayogini.
27 Apr 17, 10:28 PM
Choong_Moderator: Such power is the purification from doing the retreat.
27 Apr 17, 10:28 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Before he went into retreat Manjushri advised and communicated with him through his teacher UMapa.
27 Apr 17, 10:28 PM
graceleong: Lama Tsongkhapa also beheld pure visions of the 35 Confessional Buddhas and the glorious Buddha Maitreya along with the direct or non-conceptual perception of emptiness.
27 Apr 17, 10:27 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you PHN and Choong
27 Apr 17, 10:27 PM
Celeste: Q3 - Tsongkhapa where he made 100,000 prostrations to each of the 35 Buddhas , with total of 3.5 million. And he had vision of Manjushri.
27 Apr 17, 10:27 PM
shelly tai: pure vision of the 35 Confessional Buddhas and the glorious Buddha Maitreya along with the direct or non conceptual perception of emptiness.
27 Apr 17, 10:27 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, after doing the retreat Lama Tsongkhapa achieved direct perception of emptiness.
27 Apr 17, 10:26 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, before doing the retreat, Je Tsongkhapa already had direct vision of Manjushri who advised him to do the retreat.
27 Apr 17, 10:26 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Nearin g the completion of his retreat he had direct visions of the 35 Confessional Buddhas and Maitreya Buddha, and attained the direct perception of emptiness.
27 Apr 17, 10:25 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A3: One of the most famous examples was Lama Tsongkhapa where Lama Tsongkhapa became well-known for His purification retreat upon performing 3.5 millions prostrations during the retreat. Lama Tsongkhapa prostrated 100,000 times to each of the 35 Confessional Buddhas.
27 Apr 17, 10:25 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Choong - I am not sure lah. Could it be Vajrayogini?
27 Apr 17, 10:25 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Lama Tsongkhapa himself. He wen t on a long purification retreat as advised by Manjushri. He did 100000 prostrations for each of the 35 Confessional Buddhas, accumulating 3.5 million in total.
27 Apr 17, 10:25 PM
graceleong: Q3. Who is one of the most famous examples for the practice of the 35 Confessional Buddhas? Lama Tsongkhapa . He did 100,000 prostrations to each of the 35 Confessional Buddhas.
27 Apr 17, 10:25 PM
Choong_Moderator: @Lum, besides the direct vision of Manjushri, what else?
27 Apr 17, 10:24 PM
shelly tai: Q3: Lama Tsongkhapa, he is well known to have engages in a purification retreat during which he performed 3.5 million prostrations.
27 Apr 17, 10:24 PM
Caryn: Lama Tsongkhapa. He is well-known to have engaged in a purification retreat during which he performed 3.5 million prostrations. This was made up of 100,000 prostrations to each of the 35 Confessional Buddhas. In the process of his extraordinary and intensive retreat, he left the imprint of his sacred body on the floor of his retreat cave due to his prostrations.
27 Apr 17, 10:24 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A3. Lama Tsongkhapa. He achieved 3.5mil prostrations and after the achievement, he had a direct vision of Manjushri himself.
27 Apr 17, 10:23 PM
Pema.Thinley: A3. Je Tshongkhapa _()_
27 Apr 17, 10:23 PM
Wan Wai Meng: Q3. Who is one of the most famous examples for the practice of the 35 Confessional Buddhas? - Je rinpoche 3.5 million prostration 100k to each confessional buddha.
27 Apr 17, 10:23 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q3. Who is one of the most famous examples for the practice of the 35 Confessional Buddhas?
27 Apr 17, 10:23 PM
Pema.Thinley: okay la @Choong :)
27 Apr 17, 10:22 PM
Celeste: Hi Pastor Han Nee
27 Apr 17, 10:22 PM
Choong_Moderator: OK let's not get bogged down on certain technicalities because Buddhas are Buddhas. Our focus is on the practice that Buddha Shakyamuni taught and re-taught by Lama Tsongkhapa.
27 Apr 17, 10:21 PM
Wan Wai Meng: For your information, I have read that there are three different systems to depict the 35 Confessional Buddhas. The one in the article which we practise is Lama Tsongkhapa's system. - I think the Chinese have 88 confessional buddhas.
27 Apr 17, 10:21 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Celeste.
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