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22 Jun 18, 07:28 PM
Pastor Shin: Hi Paulo,
Your question: 1. The text of the Kashag is equal to all manifestations such as Shize, Trakze, etc.
- Yes, the text of the Kashag is for all manifestations such as Shize, Trakze, etc. When you do the individual practice, the Kashag is the same, although the specific mantra for each emanation is different. In general, we recommend people to do the practice of the principal/main Dorje Shugden (called Duldzin Dorje Shugden, whose mantra is Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha).

2. When we obtain the initiation of Arya Green Tara, which is the Main Tare, which emanates the 21 Taras, we can recite the mantras referring to them during the practice of Green Tara.
There are different initiations for different traditions. For example, the entire practice of Atisha’s 21 Taras is traditionally bestowed in a single initiation. On the other hand, Suryagupta’s 21 Taras are bestowed an initiation for each of the deities not including the main form of Green Tara. So there are 22 initiations in the Suryagupta lineage of the 21 Taras. However, you can recite the 21 Taras mantras without initiation. You can refer to this post for more information: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/suryaguptas-21-taras.html. A common practice for the 21 Taras is the "Praise to the 21 Taras" which is also included on the same blog post, towards the bottom of the page: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/suryaguptas-21-taras.html.
22 Jun 18, 06:38 PM
Pastor Shin: Thanks Choong for replying Paulo with the relevant links to the blog posts 🙏🏻
22 Jun 18, 01:21 PM
Choong: Dear Paulo,

A short description of Green Tara together with all the 21 mantras relating to Green Tara and 20 of her emanations can be found here: http://resources.tsemtulku.com/buddhas/lower-tantra/green-tara.html
22 Jun 18, 01:15 PM
Choong: Dear Paulo,

The Kawang or Kanshag "is a method to develop a strong spiritual bond with Dorje Shugden, as well as a powerful purification prayer. This prayer facilitates the purification of negative karma, allowing Dorje Shugden to help us further through the creation of conducive conditions for Dharma practice and the elimination of obstacles; therefore it is a central and important prayer for any Dharma student."

Besides this blog, you can also learn more about the Kanshag here:

http://www.dorjeshugden.org/practice/kawang-confessional-prayers-to-dorje-shugden
This website is also offered to the public by Rinpoche.
22 Jun 18, 07:50 AM
Paulo Sérgio: Dear friends in the Dharma, please clarify this question to me.1- In the practice of Dorje Shugden, there is a part called Kashag. Seeing that the venerable Tsen Rinpoche has already passed us practices of the five emanations of Dorje Shugden, I ask: The text of the Kashag is equal to all manifestations such as Shize, Trakze, etc. 2 - When we obtain the initiation of Arya Green Tara, which is the Main Tare, which emanates the 21 Taras, we can recite the mantras referring to them during the practice of Green Tara This site is very good, and you guys do a great job. Congratulations! Mangalam! P.S .: Sorry if my text seems confusing. Since I do not speak English, I used Google translator.
21 Jun 18, 11:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you for joining everyone. May all sentient beings have the conditions to practise the Dharma.
21 Jun 18, 11:13 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Choong and everyone. Goodnight.
21 Jun 18, 11:12 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone, good night.
21 Jun 18, 11:12 PM
Elaine: Thank you and good night, Rinpoche, Moderators, Pastors and friends.
21 Jun 18, 11:12 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): Goodnight everyone
21 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room. Good night .
21 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor, Choong and all. Good night.
21 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good night and thank you Rinpoche.
21 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good night Shelly and Kin Hoe.
21 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
CarynW: A17: Gangchen Rinpoche advised Tenzin Zopa not to be traditional, serious and formal in his teaching as that would be difficult for him to connect with his students. Tenzin Zopa took this advice to heart and eventually developed the modern, witty, and often entertaining style of teaching the Dharma that has proven to be so popular with today’s modern spiritual seekers. Later, Tenzin Zopa realised Gangchen Rinpoche had been preparing him for his role as a Dharma teacher.
21 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
Jacinta: Thanks to Moderator, Pastor and everyone here . Good night
21 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Jacinta: Thanks Cc for the Black Manjushri mantra
21 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Elaine: A17. Gangchen Rinpoche commented that Tenzin Zopa was too old fashioned and said he should relax otherwise it would be difficult to connect with his students. So Tenzin Zopa took this advice to heart and eventually developed his modern, witty, entertaining style of teaching the Dharma that has proven to be so popular with today’s modern spiritual seekers.
21 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A17: The advise given was that Tenzin should be contemporary in his teachings, not to be too old fashioned, and traditional. He has to be flexible, and be entertaining to entice and connect with the audience.
21 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Gangchen Rinpoche told him to relax and that he was too-fashioned. If he were old-fashioned, it would be difficult for him to connect with his students.
21 Jun 18, 11:07 PM
Jacinta: A17: He was told that His teaching was traditional, formal and serious. Tenzin Zopa took this advice to heart and eventually developed the modern, witty, and often entertaining style of teaching the Dharma that has proven to be so popular with today’s modern spiritual seekers. It was only years later that Tenzin Zopa realised Gangchen Rinpoche had been preparing him for his role as a Dharma teacher.
21 Jun 18, 11:07 PM
Callista: Good night and thank you Rinpoche, lovely Dharma brother and sister
21 Jun 18, 11:07 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A17: Ganchen Rinpoche told Burcha that Burcha is too old-fashioned and it will be difficult for you to connect with his students. Gangchen Rinpoche had been preparing Burcha for his role as a Dharma teacher.
21 Jun 18, 11:06 PM
Cc: Good night Rinpochr and evryone.🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️
21 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A16 :Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. He was also frequently asked to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with. Although Tenzin Zopa was reluctant to teach, he would do so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Over the years , Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche several times and received esoteric teachings and initiations from him. Gangchen Rinpoche also often asked him to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, often on topics he was unfamiliar with! Each time, despite his reluctance, Tenzin Zopa would still teach, out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead.
21 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
Cc: One of my favourite mantra. https://youtu.be/7METeSTqVYY
21 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
Choong_Moderator: OK la one last last question for today Q17. What was Ganchen Rinpoche’s advice to Tenzin Zopa regarding teaching style? What was the purpose of this advice?
21 Jun 18, 11:04 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A16: Subsequently, Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche for many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from Gangchen Rinpoche similarly as Guru and disciple relationship. Out of Guru Devotion, Tenzin Zopa would teach and give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience where oftentimes on topics Tenzin Zopa was not familiar with.
21 Jun 18, 11:04 PM
Jacinta: Good night Shelly!
21 Jun 18, 11:04 PM
Jacinta: A16: Strong Guru-Disciple relationship where Rinpoche often went to meet Him. H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche initiated Rinpoche into many practices and also created the causes for Rinpoche to teach in public
21 Jun 18, 11:03 PM
CarynW: A16: They have a good relationship. Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. He was also frequently asked to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with. Although Tenzin Zopa was reluctant to teach, he would do so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A16: Tenzin Zopa's relationship was very close. He received a lot of initiations and teachings from Gangchen Rinpoche. Tenzin was trained to give spontaneous talks on topics he was unfamiliar with. However, Tenzin was a reluctant teacher. However, out of guru devotion, Tenzin would do so.
21 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
shelly tai: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
21 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
Cc: A16. Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. He was also frequently asked to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with. Although Tenzin Zopa was reluctant to teach, he would do so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
Callista: A16:Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. He was also frequently asked to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with. Although Tenzin Zopa was reluctant to teach, he would do so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
Elaine: A16. Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. Gangchen Rinpoche also frequently asked him to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with, and he did so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:01 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A16:Tenzin Zopa visited Gangchen Rinpoche many times over the years and received many esoteric teachings and initiations from him. He was also frequently asked to give spontaneous talks to an assembled audience, oftentimes on topics he was unfamiliar with. Although Tenzin Zopa was reluctant to teach, he would do so out of Guru Devotion.
21 Jun 18, 11:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thanks for the link @Cc
21 Jun 18, 10:59 PM
Choong_Moderator: Last question for today. Q16. Subsequently, what was Tenzin Zopa’s relationship with Gangchen Rinpoche like?
21 Jun 18, 10:58 PM
Jacinta: A15: the afternoon, he simply stared at him. Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:58 PM
Elaine: Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:57 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A15 :When Gangchen Rinpoche met Tenzin Zopa in the afternoon, he simply stared at him. Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.Aa
21 Jun 18, 10:57 PM
Cc: https://youtu.be/qtVz83ycGUA
21 Jun 18, 10:55 PM
CarynW: A15: When Gangchen Rinpoche met Tenzin Zopa (Burcha), he declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:55 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A13: HHDL gave Burcha the ordination name of Tenzin Zopa.
21 Jun 18, 10:54 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A15: When Tenzin Zopa went to Gangchen Rinpoche's ladrang, Gangchen Rinpoche simply stared at him and declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition from the monastery and advised Tenzin Zopa to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche further transmitted tantric practices include the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:54 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A15: Tenzin Rinpoche was recognized as a high reincarnated Lama by Gangchen Rinpoche.
21 Jun 18, 10:54 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A15: Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others.
21 Jun 18, 10:54 PM
Choong_Moderator: Buddha of Healing Loma Gyonma at Kechara Forest Retreat https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/7c/db/487cdb9989ed02e418e940272844c574.jpg
21 Jun 18, 10:53 PM
Cc: A15. Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and /bBlack Manjushri/b
21 Jun 18, 10:53 PM
shelly tai: Q15: When Gangchen Rinpoche met Tenzin Zopa in the afternoon, he simply stared at him. Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others.
21 Jun 18, 10:52 PM
Callista: A 15: Tenzin Zopa is recongnised as Highly reincarnated Lama
21 Jun 18, 10:52 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A15:When Gangchen Rinpoche met Tenzin Zopa in the afternoon, he simply stared at him. Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. Gangchen Rinpoche later transmitted tantric practices to Tenzin Zopa including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:52 PM
jiaseng: A15 : Ganchen Rinpoche declared that Tenzin Zopa was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others.
21 Jun 18, 10:51 PM
Pastor Han Nee: He met Gangchen Rinpoche. When Tenzin Zopa said he wanted to meet him, Gangchaen Rinpoche then invited Tenzin tZopa to his place. He told Tenzin Zopa he was the incarnation of a high lama and instructed him to get recognition as such from the monastery and advised him to share his life story with others. He also gave him transmission of tantric practices, including the practices of Loma Gyonma and Black Manjushri.
21 Jun 18, 10:51 PM
Cc: A14. Burcha bump to Gangchen Rinpoche while standing on the street,Thamel, Kathmandu. And Gangchen Rinpoche invite Burcha to his house but Burcha don't know the reason.
21 Jun 18, 10:51 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q15. What transpired when Burcha went to Gangchen Rinpoche’s ladrang?
21 Jun 18, 10:49 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A14: H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche. Burhca said he wanted to meet Gangchen Rinpoche but don't know why.
21 Jun 18, 10:49 PM
jiaseng: A14. Gangchen Rinpoche, Burcha tell Gangchen Rinpoche I don’t know why but I want to meet you.
21 Jun 18, 10:49 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A14: Tenzin Zopa chanced upon Gangchen Rinpoche on the streets. Tenzin said to Gangshen Rinpoche that he wanted to see him. Rinpoche told him to visit him in his house in the same afternoon.
21 Jun 18, 10:48 PM
Jacinta: Hello Leonard
21 Jun 18, 10:48 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A14 :One day, Tenzin Zopa was standing on the street of Thamel. A taxi approached with a bearded monk sitting on the front seat. Tenzin Zopa waved, and the taxi stopped. The bearded monk was H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche. Zopa told Rinpoche he don't know why but he want to meet him.
21 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
CarynW: A14: Burcha bumped into H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche and said to Gangchen Rinpoche that he wanted to meet him. Gangchen Rinpoche invited Burcha to his house that afternoon.
21 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
Callista: Continue A14:Gangchen Rinpoche: Who are you? Tenzin Zopa: I don’t know why but I want to meet you. Gangchen Rinpoche: Come to my house this afternoon.
21 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A14: Burcha bumped into H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche while standing on the street of Thamel, Kathmandu. Burcha mentioned to H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche that he did not know why but Burcha wanted to meet H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche.
21 Jun 18, 10:46 PM
Callista: A14:In Nepal, Tenzin Zopa stayed at Samten Ling Monastery where he met a Caucasian Tulku, named Muli Rinpoche, who was a student of Gangchen Rinpoche. One day, Tenzin Zopa was standing on the street of Thamel. A taxi approached with a bearded monk sitting on the front seat. Tenzin Zopa waved, and the taxi stopped. The bearded monk was H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche.
21 Jun 18, 10:46 PM
Elaine: A14, Burcha bumped into H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche while he was standing on the street of Thamel who rode up in a taxi.
21 Jun 18, 10:45 PM
Jacinta: A14: He met Gangchen Rinpoche and saying that he wanted to meet him
21 Jun 18, 10:44 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q14. Who did Burcha bump into while standing on the street of Thamel in Kathmandu? What did Burcha say to this person?
21 Jun 18, 10:44 PM
Jacinta: A13: Tenzin Zopa
21 Jun 18, 10:43 PM
Elaine: A12, Upon hearing that the Dalai Lama would be speaking about curtailing Dorje Shugden practice, Burcha cried a lot and became depressed. He offered a lot of incense (sang) to Dorje Shugden for three days.
21 Jun 18, 10:43 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A13: Tenzin Zopa
21 Jun 18, 10:43 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Tenzin Zopa. "Tenzin" means "upholding the Dharma" and "Zopa" means" patience".
21 Jun 18, 10:42 PM
Cc: Tenzin Zopa.Zopa= PatienceTenzin=upholding the dharma.
21 Jun 18, 10:42 PM
jiaseng: A13: Tenzin Zopa
21 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
Callista: A13: Dalai Lama gave Burcha an ordination name of Tenzin Zopa. “Tenzin” means “Upholding the Dharma” and “Zopa” means patience
21 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A13: H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama gave Burcha an ordination name of Tenzin Zopa. "Tenzin" means "Upholding the Dharma" and "Zopa" means patience.
21 Jun 18, 10:40 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A13 :Dalai Lama gave Burcha an ordination name of Tenzin Zopa. “Tenzin” means “Upholding the Dharma” and “Zopa” means patience
21 Jun 18, 10:40 PM
CarynW: A13: Tenzin Zopa. “Tenzin” means “Upholding the Dharma” and “Zopa” means patience.
21 Jun 18, 10:40 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): A13:Dalai Lama gave Burcha an ordination name of Tenzin Zopa. “Tenzin” means “Upholding the Dharma” and “Zopa” means patience. Thus, from hereon, Burcha will be referred to as Tenzin Zopa.
21 Jun 18, 10:39 PM
shelly tai: Q13: Tenzin Zopa
21 Jun 18, 10:39 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q13. What ordination name did the Dalai Lama give Burcha?
21 Jun 18, 10:38 PM
Callista: So sad for over 3 decades, Dorje Shugden practice is being prejudiced
21 Jun 18, 10:38 PM
Choong_Moderator: Watch this video about the dilemma many monks faced during this time:

https://youtu.be/b1dILwsmwCQ?t=3m50s
21 Jun 18, 10:37 PM
Cc: A12.Burcha was sad with the situation. He cried a lot and fell into a slight depression. Thinking about the situation, Burcha could not choose between the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, from whom he had received the Dorje Shugden sogtae. At the end of the three days, Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation. Burcha thought this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:35 PM
jiaseng: A13: Burcha was upset that something like this could happen. He cried a lot and fell into a slight depression. Thinking about the situation, Burcha could not choose between the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, from whom he had received the Dorje Shugden sogtae. Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation.
21 Jun 18, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Burcha was deeply disturbed to find out that the Dalai Lama planned to curtail the practice of Dorje Shugden. Burcha offered a lot of incense (sang) to Dorje Shugden for three days, as he was upset that something like this could happen. He cried a lot and fell into a slight depression. He was torn between choosing Zong Rinpche or Dalai Lama. He then consulted a friend, who told Burcha to respect both and keep the practice a secret.
21 Jun 18, 10:35 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A12: Burcha felt depressed and cried a lot after finding out that the Dalai Lama would be speaking up curtailing Dorje Shugden practice. Eventually, Burcha respected both H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, kept his practice to himself and not to speak about the situation at the time since Burcha thought that this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:34 PM
Cc: A11.When Burcha was in Dharamsala and waiting for ordination, he wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood.The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity.
21 Jun 18, 10:34 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A2: Burhca was upset after finding out that Dalai Lama would be speaking up curtailing Dorje Shugden practice. Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation. Burcha thought this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:33 PM
Jacinta: A12: He was upset and depressed after knowing that. He even offered 3 days of incense offerings to Dorje Shugden. After a conversation with a friend, He was told to respect both High Lama and preserver in his practice
21 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
CarynW: A12: Burcha was upset and cried a lot. He fell into a slight depression. Burcha could not choose between the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, from whom he had received the Dorje Shugden sogtae. Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation. Burcha thought this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A12 :Burcha was upset that something like this could happen. He cried a lot and fell into a slight depression. Thinking about the situation, Burcha could not choose between the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, from whom he had received the Dorje Shugden sogtae. At the end of the three days, Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation. Burcha thought this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Callista: A12:Burcha met another person in Dharamsala who was a scholar, a reincarnated lama and a translator. This Lama informed Burcha that he had heard rumors that Dorje Shugden practice was to be curtailed, and the Dalai Lama would speak up about this. After this conversation, Burcha offered a lot of incense (sang) to Dorje Shugden for three days, as he was upset that something like this could happen. He cried a lot and fell into a slight depression. Thinking about the situation, Burcha could not choose between the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, from whom he had received the Dorje Shugden sogtae.
21 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A12: Burcha felt very sad and disappointed. He has a slight depression and when he heard about the rumor, he burned incensed to offer to DS for 3 consecutive days. Burcha had problems in choosing between HHDL and Zong Rinpoche who bestowed the practice to him. Finally, Burcha's Tibetan Rinpoche advised him to keep his DS practice very private and not speak about it. Burcha felt this this is the most logical choice.
21 Jun 18, 10:31 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q12. How did Burcha feel after finding out that the Dalai Lama would be speaking up curtailing Dorje Shugden practice? What conclusion did Burcha eventually come to?
21 Jun 18, 10:30 PM
shelly tai: Q12: Burcha talked to another friend, a Tibetan Rinpoche, who advised him to respect both the Dalai Lama and Zong Rinpoche, to keep his practice to himself, and not to speak about the situation. Burcha thought this was the only logical thing to do.
21 Jun 18, 10:29 PM
Jacinta: A12:
21 Jun 18, 10:29 PM
Pastor Han Nee: The first glimpse of this was when Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The painter, who was also Dalai Lama's thangka painter , would only paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini. He refused to paint Dorje Shugden! He didn't feel comfortable painting Dorje Shugden, as there were already the beginnings of a growing prejudice against Dorje Shugden.
21 Jun 18, 10:29 PM
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21 Jun 18, 10:27 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A11 :Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity. This was to be Burcha’s first glimpse of prejudice against the practice of Dorje Shugden, which would culminate in a ban instigated by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA).
21 Jun 18, 10:27 PM
Elaine: A11, Way back at the time when Burcha was in Dharamsala waiting for ordination, he had already experienced prejudice against DS practice. Burcha wanted to commission a thangka with DS in it but the thangka painter refused to paint the image of DS.
21 Jun 18, 10:27 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A11: Burcha's first glimpse of prejudice towards the practice of Dorje Shugden when he thangka painter in Dharamsala only agreed to paint Kyabje Zong Rinpoce and Vajra Yogini without Dorje Shugden although Burcha wanted to have Dorje Shugden in the thangka as well.
21 Jun 18, 10:26 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A11: The first direct experience of prejudice towards DS is when Burcha wanted to have a thangkha to be painted with DS and VY with Zong Rinpoche. Burcha was introduced to a painter that is very close to HHDL. The painter was very reluctant to paint DS and in fact, refused to paint DS.
21 Jun 18, 10:26 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A11: When Burcha was in Dharamsala and waiting for ordination, Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity. This was to be Burcha’s first glimpse of prejudice against the practice of Dorje Shugden, which would culminate in a ban instigated by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA).
21 Jun 18, 10:26 PM
shelly tai: Q11: When he was in Dharamsala and waiting for ordination, Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity. This was to be Burcha’s first glimpse of prejudice against the practice of Dorje Shugden, which would culminate in a ban instigated by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA).
21 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Callista: A11:Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity
21 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
jiaseng: A11. Burcha wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity.
21 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
CarynW: A11: When Burcha was in Dharamsala and waiting for ordination, he wanted to have a thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity.
21 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Jacinta: A11: At that time Burcha wanted to have thangka painted that depicted Zong Rinpoche with a ray of light emanating from his heart on which both Dorje Shugden and Vajrayogini stood. The Dalai Lama’s assistant introduced him to a painter that painted the Dalai Lama’s thangkas. The painter, however, only agreed to paint Zong Rinpoche and Vajrayogini and not Dorje Shugden. This was because there was already a prejudice against Dorje Shugden, and the painter did not feel comfortable painting the deity.
21 Jun 18, 10:24 PM
shelly tai: Q10:saraswati pills (Yangchai Rilbu), which is well-known to help improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers.
21 Jun 18, 10:23 PM
Elaine: Yangchai Rilbu are herbal pills (Saraswati pills) which is well-known to help improve memory, used in conjunction with Manjushri retreat, they are supposed to move the winds in the body so that your memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:23 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q11. What was Burcha’s first glimpse of prejudice towards the practice of Dorje Shugden?
21 Jun 18, 10:23 PM
Cc: A10.Yangchai Rilbu pill known as Saraswati pill helps to improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers. These pills are supposed to move the winds in the body so that your memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:23 PM
Callista: A10: Saraswati pills (Yangchai Rilbu), which is well-known to help improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers. These pills are supposed to move the winds in the body so that your memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:22 PM
jiaseng: A10. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers.
21 Jun 18, 10:22 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Yangchow Rilbu pills are for helping to improve one's memory.Shelly, we are at the part wher Burcha meets Dr Drolma, (Rinpoche in India).
21 Jun 18, 10:21 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A10: Yangchai Rilbu pills are Saraswati pills, which is well known to help improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taking in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers. These pills are supposed to move the winds in our body so that our memories can be improved.
21 Jun 18, 10:21 PM
Jacinta: A10: Yangchen Rilbu pills is Saraswati pills, that can boost memory. Recommended to take 2 pills in the morning, with warm water before reciting Manjushri’s mantra or Galongma and Saraswati mantra
21 Jun 18, 10:21 PM
Cc: A9.5.One day, she and the other workers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Trijang Rinpoche asked her to read his pulse and diagnosed his illness, which she happily did .Following the diagnosis, she traveled into the hills and collected the herbs necessary to prepare the medicine for Trijang Rinpoche to take. With the herbal treatment, Trijang Rinpoche’s condition improved.Thus it was that Trijang Rinpoche , recognising how much she would benefit others, helped Dr. Drolma to set up her clinic
21 Jun 18, 10:20 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A10: Yangchai Ribu pills These pills are supposed to move the winds in the body so that memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:20 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A10: Yangchai Rilbu pills aka Sarswati pills are well known to help improve memory. If one were to take the pills with warm water prior to doing Manjushri prayers, the pills will assist in moving the winds in the body to help improve memory.
21 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Yes,Jacinta, it is clearly the case that Trijang Rinpoche ha dknown , through his claairvoyance, that she was ready to set up a clinic.
21 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
CarynW: A10: Yangchai Rilbu pill also known as Saraswati pill is well-known to help improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers. These pills are supposed to move the winds in the body so that your memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A10 :Yangchai Rilbu also call Sarawasti bill, which is well-known to help improve memory. Yangchai Rilbu is specifically to be taken in the morning with warm water before engaging in Manjushri mantras and prayers. These pills are supposed to move the winds in the body so that your memory improves.
21 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
shelly tai: HI guys I have miss out for two week so may I know where are we cover now
21 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
Choong_Moderator: Welcome, welcome
21 Jun 18, 10:18 PM
Callista: Good evening Rinpoche, PHN, Choong and everyone
21 Jun 18, 10:18 PM
Jacinta: 🙏
21 Jun 18, 10:18 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q10. What are Yangchai Rilbu pills?
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Jia Seng.
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
Choong_Moderator: Thank you for the link Jacinta
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
CarynW: A9.5: Trijang Rinpoche helped Dr Dolma set up her clinic and practice. One day, Dr Dolma and other labourers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Trijang Rinpoche asked her to read his pulse and diagnosed his illness, which she did happily. Following the diagnosis, she traveled into the hills and collected the herbs necessary to prepare the medicine for Trijang Rinpoche to take. Following the treatment, Trijang Rinpoche’s condition improved.
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
shelly tai: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chat room
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9.5: Dr. Dolma escaped Tibet to India by only carrying her Tibetan Medical Tantra books on her back and she had to leave her other belongings back in Tibet. Before Dr. Dolma able to set up a clinic and practice, she worked as a labourer building roads, breaking rocks and stones only to earn and feed herself well after she first arrived in India. One day, Dr. Dolma and other workers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche asked Dr. Dolma to read His pulse and Dr. Dolma diagnosed His illness. After giving treatment to Trijang Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche's condition had improved. Then Trijang Rinpoche helped Dr. Dolma to set up her clinic and practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:17 PM
Jacinta: Sorry typo *Rinpoche
21 Jun 18, 10:16 PM
jiaseng: Good evening Rinpoche , pastors and everyone in the chat room :) sorry im late
21 Jun 18, 10:16 PM
Pastor Han Nee: It was Trijang Rinpoche who had helped Dr. Dolma to set up her clinic and practice. It happened that one day, she and the other workers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Trijang Rinpoche asked her to read his pulse and diagnosed his illness, which she happily did .Following the diagnosis, she traveled into the hills and collected the herbs necessary to prepare the medicine for Trijang Rinpoche to take. With the herbal treatment, Trijang Rinpoche’s condition improved.Thus it was that Trijang Rinpoche , recognising how much she would benefit others, helped Dr Drolma to set up her clinic.
21 Jun 18, 10:16 PM
Jacinta: Actually I think Kyabje Trijang Tinpoche knew about her potential in advance through his clairvoyance . Dr.Dolma here http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/dr-dolma.html
21 Jun 18, 10:15 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9.5 One day, Dr Dolma and other workers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Trijang Rinpoche asked her to read his pulse and diagnosed his illness, which she did happily. Following the diagnosis, she traveled into the hills and collected the herbs necessary to prepare the medicine for Trijang Rinpoche to take. Following the treatment, Trijang Rinpoche’s condition improved. Trijang Rinpoche helped Dr. Dolma to set up her clinic and practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:14 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9.5: Dr Dolma upon arriving in India, she had to toil very hard from being a laborer to feed herself. She eventually had an audience with Trijang Rinpoche and requested her to take his pulse. She diagnosed his illness and personally collected the herbal medication. Trijang Rinpoche eventually was healed and he helped her clinic to practice medicine.
21 Jun 18, 10:14 PM
Jacinta: After the great escaped from Tibet, Dr Dolma was working as labourer at that time. When Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche met her, He asked her to treat Him. After the successful treatment, It was Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche who helped her to set up her clinic.
21 Jun 18, 10:14 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A9.5 : Dr.Dolma and the other workers had an audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Trijang Rinpoche asked her to read his pulse and diagnosed his illness, which she did happily. Following the diagnosis, she traveled into the hills and collected the herbs necessary to prepare the medicine for Trijang Rinpoche to take. Following the treatment, Trijang Rinpoche’s condition improved. Trijang Rinpoche helped Dr. Dolma to set up her clinic and practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:13 PM
Choong_Moderator: That's right Elaine
21 Jun 18, 10:13 PM
Leonard Ooi(KPSG): Good evening Rinpoche, Pastors and everyone here
21 Jun 18, 10:13 PM
Elaine: A9.5. It was Trijang Rinpoche who helped Dr. Dolma to set up her clinic and practice. She had treated Rinpoche's illness and he had recovered.
21 Jun 18, 10:13 PM
Cc: A9. DR. Drolma told Burcha that it was DS that gave her eveeything she needed and she has a very deep respect and reverence for his practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:11 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A9: Dr. Dolma told Burcha that it was the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden who gave her everything she needed, so she had a very deep respect and reverence for the practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:11 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q9.5 How did Dr Dolma, having had to escape Tibet to India in 1959, eventually got to set up a clinic and practice?
21 Jun 18, 10:11 PM
Elaine: A9, Dr Drolma informed Burcha that Dorje Shugden was responsible for giving her everything she needed and she had very deep respect and reverence for the practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:10 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Caroline.
21 Jun 18, 10:09 PM
Cc: Good evening Rinpoche and everyone
21 Jun 18, 10:09 PM
CarynW: A9: Dr Dolma told Burcha that it was the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden who gave her everything she needed in helping the poor and Sangha, so she had a very deep respect and reverence for the practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:09 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A9: Dr. Dolma told Burcha that it was Dorje Shugden who gave her everything she needed and thus, she had a very deep respect and reverence for the practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:09 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A9. She told Burcha that it was Dorje Shugden who had given her everything she needed, and as such she had a very deep respect and reverence for his practice.
21 Jun 18, 10:08 PM
Jacinta: Q9: Dr Dolma told Burcha that she has very deep respect and reverence to Dorje Shugden for He was the one to took care all of her needs.
21 Jun 18, 10:07 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A9: Dr Dolma said that everything she has is a blessing from DS. As a result, she has very deep respect and reverence to DS.
21 Jun 18, 10:07 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A9 :Dr. Dolma often gave free medication to the poor and to the Sangha, in addition to donating food and robes to Gaden Shabten Kang. She told Burcha that it was the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden who gave her everything she needed.
21 Jun 18, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: Q9. What did Dr Dolma tell Burcha about Dorje Shugden?
21 Jun 18, 10:06 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Choong, Pastor Han Nee and all in chat room
21 Jun 18, 10:06 PM
Choong_Moderator: We will start at the part about meeting the Tibetan Medicine Dr Dolma
21 Jun 18, 10:05 PM
Choong_Moderator: :) Let's begin
21 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Jacinta
21 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): i'm listening the song now
21 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Pastor Han Nee, Yee Mun, Grace
21 Jun 18, 10:03 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Hello Lum. Yes, also the lovely video on Cold Mountain.
21 Jun 18, 10:03 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Choong and everyone.
21 Jun 18, 10:03 PM
Lum Kok Luen: The songs recommended by Rinpoche is very nice
21 Jun 18, 10:02 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Pastor Han Nee
21 Jun 18, 10:02 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Good evening Choong and everyone.
21 Jun 18, 10:02 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): Good evening Rinpoche and everyone in the chatroom .
21 Jun 18, 10:01 PM
CarynW: Good evening Choong
21 Jun 18, 10:01 PM
Jacinta: Hello Mr Moderator
21 Jun 18, 10:00 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Choong
21 Jun 18, 10:00 PM
Choong_Moderator: Good evening everyone
21 Jun 18, 10:00 PM
CarynW: Hi Jacinta
21 Jun 18, 10:00 PM
Jacinta: Hi Lum and Caryn..
21 Jun 18, 09:59 PM
Jacinta: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor, Moderator and others.
21 Jun 18, 09:59 PM
CarynW: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor and all in the room.
21 Jun 18, 09:58 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Good evening Rinpoche, Pastor and all in room
21 Jun 18, 04:10 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2p971fo3183.jpg Trode Khangsar – A 400 year old Chapel in Lhasa | 拉萨400年历史的多杰雄登护法殿—布旦康萨- https://bit.ly/2JNsyN9
21 Jun 18, 03:42 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Dear friends, May I invite you to listen to these two songs which bring us to another level of inspiration: 1. Mere Vich Na Guruji Gun Koi https://vimeo.com/274281986 2. Likhan Valya Tu Hoke https://vimeo.com/274281836 The person who inspired these songs is considered a saint. You can read more here when you are ready to be moved: https://bit.ly/2xQYhr8 May your spiritual journey reach fruition no matter what path you choose, Tsem Rinpoche
20 Jun 18, 04:06 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2oz7e3k8471.jpg http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2oz7e3l1667.jpg
20 Jun 18, 02:21 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2oz4qah5625.jpg Sacred Vajra Yogini made in Qing dynasty Between 1644-1911). It is housed in Sichuan Museum, Chengdu. Just to gaze at Her holy form is to realize there is a different place we can go to that has no suffering. She is the doorway and all we have to do is leave our projections and enter. May all ascend to Kechara Paradise. Namo guru Vajra Yogini lah Chak Tsel Lo! Tsem Rinpoche
20 Jun 18, 02:18 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Shugden is not sectarian. Guru Rinpoche is not sectarian. Dorje Drolod is not sectarian. Jesus is not sectarian. Krishna is not sectarian. Kali is not sectarian. God is not sectarian. Tsongkapa is not sectarian. Kuan Kong is not sectarian. From the point of view of the divinities, they help, love, care, bless and assist all those who call upon them. To Shugden, Guru Rinpoche, Dorje Drolod, Jesus, Krishna, Kali, God, Tsongkapa, Kuan Kong we are all the same and they accept us openly, lovingly, caringly and without barriers and borders. Without conditions. Without labels. Without man made barriers. We are the same in their eyes. But some humans are sectarian and ascribe sectarian views and outlook to the divinities. In each religion, in each sect and in each doctrine, you have people who are sectarian and you have people who are not. Do not put everyone into one category. Dorje Shugden is Manjushri who is a fully enlightened Buddha and He has no sectarian views, actions and results. Rise above the small views and broaden our minds to the higher view. All forms of the divine has no sectarianism. Give Peace a chance. Tsem Rinpoche
19 Jun 18, 03:10 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Look what this hermit woman says about ginger in this snagged video clip. She stays in the mountains to meditate. It is a wonderful documentary and really worth your time to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ98u_1h1A http://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1529392122.mp4
19 Jun 18, 02:06 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Such a beautiful documentary. Can learn so much. Can increase our wisdom and will feel peace with watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3OWTwGdGmo
19 Jun 18, 08:09 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2n0ql3p6234.jpg The Tibetan government in exile gave many excuses of why they banned Dorje Shugden and sadly segregated their own people due to religion and until now the rift is not repaired breaking many families apart. Instead of embracing diversity, the Tibetan government in exile further the divide. They lost their country in the first place because of this. And they cannot get their country back for 60 years because of this narrow thinking. I've posted beautiful Sufi devotional songs and immediately this person attacks and leaves something rude. This person has attacked my Dorje Shugden related posts on Facebook with many vulgarities many times. So when I post something he automatically assumes it is about Dorje Shugden without even checking. This is what the Tibetan government in exile wanted which is to attack all Shugden people. They spread the untruths and let the crowds 'attack'. This is their modus operandi. They failed to get their country back and because of this, they need a scapegoat and blame Dorje Shugden for this to 'buy' more time at the cost of harmony within their people. Any democratic society will embrace diversity in religious faiths without question but not within Tibetan communities run by the Tibetan government in exile. So if you practice Dorje Shugden you are countering their wishes and therefore targetted. They encourage this targetting just like you see in this FB attack. It is the Tibetan government in exile who started the campaign against Dorje Shugden and they are the ones that spread the untruths regarding Shugden to incite the 'crowd' to attack if you refuse to give up and excercise your right to your choice of spirituality. Why should any leaders discourage or encourage any religion. That is biasm. No secular or spiritual leader in the modern 21st century should make any negative remarks about anyone's religion because then once that starts, there is no end and it will escalate, making more disharmony in our small world. That's how religious wars start. Give peace a chance already. The Tibetan government in exile say they are democratic. But this is not democracy when they goad people on to attack you when you have a difference in opinion from their 'official' views even on religion. Why does any government interfere in their people's religion if they claim to be democratic? No government or leader should have any views on religion, as this is a personal matter for the individual. Give peace a chance, Tsem Rinpoche
19 Jun 18, 07:17 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2n0p99s7436.jpg Dear friends, May I invite you to listen to these two songs which bring us to another level of inspiration: 1. Mere Vich Na Guruji Gun Koi https://vimeo.com/274281986 2. Likhan Valya Tu Hoke https://vimeo.com/274281836 The person who inspired these songs is considered a saint. You can read more here when you are ready to be moved: https://bit.ly/2xQYhr8 May your spiritual journey reach fruition no matter what path you choose, Tsem Rinpoche
19 Jun 18, 05:57 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
The main source of information I found was from 'Tsiu Marpo the Career of a Tibetan Protector Deity' by Christopher Paul Bell, it says on page 30 that:
"His parents were the savage demon lord Lekpa (Legs pa), "Excellent," and the violence demoness Dongmarma (Gdong dmar ma), "Red-faced Woman." The latter is the daughter of the might demon lord Dawa Tökar (Zla ba thod dkar),"White Skull Moon," forefather of all might demons. When the egg burst open, the malicious violence demon Tsiu Marpo was born."

Also in the same text, page 31:
Padmasambhava then asked, "Tell me, where is your abode? Who are your parents? Where is your essence?"
Tsiu Marpo replied, "My abode is this very charnel ground of India. In Tsang (Gtsang), it is called the split cavern. My father is the savage demon lord Lekpa. My mother is the violence demoness Dongmarma. The essence of my life-energy is a tantra recited by glorious Tamdrin."

From https://www.himalayanart.org/items/484, it was said that: "Begtse is also known as Trichapa Chamsin and is one of the main protectors of the Sakya School. He is also a Dharma protector of the Gelugpa school. He is also known as a father of Nujin Tsiu Marpo." However, if you click on the link to Tsiu Marpo, in the section 'Tsi'u Marpo: History, Narrative & Myth by Cameron Bailey', they quoted Christopher Bell and stated "he hatched from an egg produced from the union of a deity named "Lekpa" and a female tsen." Did you find any other source that mention Begtse as Tsiu Marpo's father?
19 Jun 18, 02:52 AM
Pastor Shin: You are welcome Meghna. Always nice to see you here.
19 Jun 18, 02:44 AM
Meghna: Thank you :D
19 Jun 18, 02:39 AM
Pastor Shin: Dear Meghna,
Hi again. Traditionally tormas are made with three white substances (milk, butter, yoghurt) and three sweet substances (honey, molasses, sugar). So when using alternative for tormas, we usually opt for something closest, hence the biscuits. You can also use cakes, cookies, pastries, bread.
19 Jun 18, 12:47 AM
Meghna: What all can be offered (apart from biscuits ) as Torma offerings?
19 Jun 18, 12:41 AM
Meghna: Hi :D
18 Jun 18, 07:30 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Michael,
Welcome to the blogchat. If you have question, you can always ask on "Ask a Pastor" section here: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/ask-the-pastors

We do not have a forum for the site, however, we do have regular blogchat sessions. Scroll up to see the SCHEDULED CHAT SESSIONS right above this chat. May I know what would you like to discuss?
18 Jun 18, 07:18 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
Welcome back to the blogchat. As far as I know, there is no English translation of the entire Volume ‘Pha’ (ཕ་) of Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu’s collected works. Perhaps you can contact the Bhutan National Library the publisher. You can also check with some translation groups like Rangjung Yeshe Translations & Publications (https://www.ryi.org/) or Padmakara Translation Group (http://www.songtsen.org/F/padmakara/apropos.php). Re Tsiu Marpo, I am not sure about this, let me check and get back to you later today.
18 Jun 18, 06:41 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: Rumi: Legendary Sufi Poet whose mystical works transcend space and time. It's beneficial to enhance our knowledge of other traditions & cultures: https://bit.ly/2lh9cRO http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2mqohly9578.jpg
18 Jun 18, 01:21 AM
Michael: If not then it's better later than never :)
18 Jun 18, 01:20 AM
Michael: I'am interested in the paranormal a lot lately. I'am thinking i can get some teachings from more advanced members :), therefore i would like to know if you have created a forum yet
18 Jun 18, 01:18 AM
Michael: I want to know where i can find a forum to register so we can discuss certain issues
18 Jun 18, 01:18 AM
Michael: Good evening,
18 Jun 18, 12:51 AM
Tashi: Wait, I thought Tsiu Marpo was Begtse's son, not Dorje Legpa's? I'm confused.
18 Jun 18, 12:49 AM
Tashi: Does anyone have an English translation of the entire Volume Phe(the first Tibetan syllable of Phet) for the 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche's works on the protectors? I would like to know more about these other protectors and if possible, add his Shugden prayer to my practice. The volume is from pages 807 to 1058.
18 Jun 18, 12:37 AM
Liang Jing: Last question: What can we as an individual do to help stray animals?ANS: We can volunteer at the animal shelters, donate some supplies, feed them foods or spread the word about pet adoption on social media or others.
18 Jun 18, 12:12 AM
Liang Jing: Question 2: What are some of the problems faced by Mr Shukla the past year? Answer: Mr Shukla faced problem the past year with some animal activists, who have demanded that they be allowed onto the farm. He has also faced complaints that he is creating public unrest by keeping so many dogs. There have also been demands that he shut down the farm.
18 Jun 18, 12:06 AM
Liang Jing: Question 1: What do you think inspired Mr Shukla to start the farm? Answer: I think the thing that inspire Mr Shukla to start a farm is the first dog he adopted -Kavya, the female Golden Retriever. He's life was all about buying big cars and expensive watches and living a fancy life. He had travelled and seen the world many times over, but then he was not happy, so he found out that helping others is the thing that makes him happy. After that day, he kept adopting dogs that no-one want and bring them home, day by day, he adopted too many dogs, he decided to start the farm.
17 Jun 18, 10:07 PM
Jutika Lam: That is all for tonight. Thank you everyone for joining!
17 Jun 18, 10:07 PM
Jutika Lam: Conclusion: We can help by volunteering our time at animal shelters doing work such as cleaning the kennels, bathing the animals and feeding them.
17 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Naomi: Q3 ANS: We can help feed them, treat them and give them shelter.
17 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Edward Ooi: Last question: What can we as an individual do to help stray animals? Answer: We can always keep some dog food or cat food in the back of our cars and feed it to them whenever we see one.
17 Jun 18, 10:04 PM
Jutika Lam: Yes Nicklaus. Donating to animals shelters is a good idea in order to help with the day to day operations of the shelter
17 Jun 18, 10:02 PM
Nicklaus: Last question: What can we as an individual do to help stray animals?ANS: Donate and bring stray animals to the SPCA.
17 Jun 18, 09:59 PM
Jutika Lam: Last question: What can we as an individual do to help stray animals?
17 Jun 18, 09:58 PM
Jutika Lam: Conclusion: There has been problems such as animal activists demanding that they be allowed onto the farm. He has also faced complaints that he is creating public unrest by keeping so many dogs. There have also been demands that he shut down the farm
17 Jun 18, 09:58 PM
Jutika Lam: Yes Edward, that is correct.
17 Jun 18, 09:57 PM
Naomi: Q2 ANS: In the past year though, he has run into problems with some animal activists, who have demanded that they be allowed onto the farm. He has also faced complaints that he is creating public unrest by keeping so many dogs. There have also been demands that he shut down the farm.
17 Jun 18, 09:54 PM
Edward Ooi: Question 2: What are some of the problems faced by Mr Shukla the past year? Answer: He has run into problems with some animal activists, who have demanded that they be allowed onto the farm. He has also faced complaints that he is creating public unrest by keeping so many dogs.
17 Jun 18, 09:54 PM
Edward Ooi: Question 1: What do you think inspired Mr Shukla to start the farm? Answer: I personally feel that it was due to him adopting Kavya. Because of her, his compassion and love for dogs began to grow, pushing him to start adopting more stray dogs. The reason why he started the farm was because he couldn't bear letting go his dogs because he knew that they would have a much harsher life without him.
17 Jun 18, 09:53 PM
huey: out of love & kindness for these animals
17 Jun 18, 09:53 PM
huey: q1...
17 Jun 18, 09:51 PM
Jutika Lam: Question 2: What are some of the problems faced by Mr Shukla the past year?
17 Jun 18, 09:51 PM
Jutika Lam: That's a good answer Beatrix!
17 Jun 18, 09:50 PM
Naomi: Q1 ANS6: Because he has love and compassion for dogs. He also probably realised that all these dogs need someone to actually take care of them and he decided to make the first move.
17 Jun 18, 09:50 PM
Jutika Lam: Conclusion: In my opinion, Shukla started the farm to offer old and unwanted dogs a home, security, food, love and plenty of space to roam about and not have to worry about finding food or being abused by the general public.
17 Jun 18, 09:49 PM
Beatrix: Question 1: What do you think inspired Mr Shukla to start the farm? Answer: I think it all started because of Kavya, it was her who initially "taught" Mr Shukla how to feel and love a dog. Later, due to his kindness, he started the farm because he couldn't stand watching the dogs suffer.
17 Jun 18, 09:44 PM
Jutika Lam: Hello huey
17 Jun 18, 09:43 PM
huey: hello
17 Jun 18, 09:43 PM
Naomi: Hello Everyone!
17 Jun 18, 09:43 PM
Jutika Lam: What do you think inspired Mr Shukla to start the farm?
17 Jun 18, 09:42 PM
Edward Ooi: Hello Everybody!!!
17 Jun 18, 09:41 PM
Beatrix: Hello Jutika :)
17 Jun 18, 09:40 PM
Jutika Lam: Hello everyone
17 Jun 18, 07:24 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: You guys are going to have a cute attack with these two super adorable videos of Tsem Rinpoche's doggies Oser and Dharma.- https://youtu.be/JX1UdH7IjQ8 And https://youtu.be/YGD7CtNmnuI The videos JUST came out! Enjoy!
17 Jun 18, 05:44 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2mgni9s7921.jpg His Holiness Gaden Tripa Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal, Kyabe Zong Rinpoche and Tsem Rinpoche in Gaden Shartse Monastery doing puja.
17 Jun 18, 04:22 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: My Oser and Dharma are so adorable. You must look at their cute faces. Like two little stuff toys that came to life. http://video.tsemtulku.com/chat-videos/chat-1529180460.mp4
17 Jun 18, 04:04 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2mglr0i8160.jpg Protector Tsiu Marpo in a chapel in Lhasa. He is an ancient deity who legends goes back to the previous Buddha. He is here enshrined with a very enigmatic face sitting on a throne and receiving a drink offering. He also takes trance of various oracles and speaks.
17 Jun 18, 04:00 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: Tsi'u Marpo: History, Narrative & Myth by Cameron Bailey, December 28th, 2015 According to the Tantra of the Red-Razored One the being that would become the deity Tsi'u Marpo was born during the dispensation of the Buddha Kashyapa as the Khotanese Prince Chorwa. Chorwa is said to have had faith in Buddhism and to have taken monastic ordination. One day, when he was meditating alone in the forest, the daughter of the local king was bathing nearby when she was bitten by a venomous snake. Chorwa was able to save her life by giving her a medicinal antidote, but when two evil ministers saw this, they spread the false rumour that the monk and the princess were making love. The king, outraged by this, sent men to kill the monk. The princess attempted to dissuade him by telling him the truth of the matter, but he did not listen, and out of protest she vowed to be reborn as the hostile spirit sister of the monk in a future life, then threw herself off a cliff, committing suicide, in protest. Chorwa, meanwhile, fled to the Himalayas, and his mind became downcast and full of evil intentions. He then proceeded to go on a killing and raping spree, but eventually the king's army caught up to him and stabbed him to death. Before he died, the monk swore to be reborn as a tsen demon, and the "executioner of all beings." Thereafter he hatched from an egg produced from the union of a deity named "Lekpa" and a female tsen. When he was born, he had six other tsen demon brothers growing inside his body - (2) the "black obstacle might demon" in his head, the (3) "divine might demon" in his bones, (4) "rock might demon" in his body heat, (5) "knife might demon" in his blood, (6) "serpentine might demon" in his pus, and (7) "defiling might demon" in his 'messy rotten garments of flesh.' Together they became the seven wild tsen brothers. Tsiu Marpo is a Tibetan worldly god, Warrior Class (drala), that functions as a Buddhist protector deity. The practice was popularized by the teacher Ngari Panchen Pema Wangyal (1487-1542 [P1669]). Ngari Panchen was a teacher originating from Mustang, Nepal, and he principally practised the Nyingma and Sakya Traditions. He popularised the cult of the protector deity Tsiu Marpo which was likely an adaptation of the local Bon mountain protector unique for the town of Lo Monthang called Tsengo Dragpa Gyaltsen. The mountain is located due west of the Mustang capital and Dragpa Gyaltsen remains to this day the special protector deity to the Mustang royal family. As a Terton, the principal 'Terma' Revealed Treasure cycle of Ngari Panchen is known as the Ngarpan Terdzo. According to popular accounts, Tsiu Marpo became known as the special protector of Samye Monastery in the 17th century after the long time protector of the monastery, Pehar Gyalpo, moved to Nechung next to Drepung Monastery just outside of Lhasa. The practices of Tsiu Marpo as a Buddhist protector have now been adopted by almost all of the traditions of Tibetan Buddhism. https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=494
17 Jun 18, 12:13 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
Zadu Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Jatri Tsengo, and Jagpa Melen are included in an extensive 50-page liturgy petitions a number of Dharma Protectors, written by the 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche of Bhutan. You can read it here: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-4th-zhabdrung-rinpoche-of-bhutan-and-dorje-shugden.html

As for tapping on the oracle, no that is not part of the ritual. I was asking clarifying question on what you meant by lamas tapping the heads of protectors with vajras and that you have seen this with Shugden.
16 Jun 18, 10:48 PM
Tashi: So although the vajra tap on Shugden's statue is not in the Gelug, could you please explain the oracle? I didn't see any vajra tapping on the oracle, but if that is part of the ritual, what is the meaning of it exactly? To keep vows? Or what?
16 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
Tashi: Who are Zadu Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Jatri Tsengo, and Jagpa Melen? I thought Tsering Chenga was worldly goddess of the 5 sisters.
16 Jun 18, 03:43 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: Tsem Rinpoche in Gaden Monastery in 2006 http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2m7adqv3275.jpg
16 Jun 18, 12:24 PM
Victor.C: A5. Dorje Shugden is included in the 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche prayers together with other enlighten dharma protector such as Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, and Jagpa Melen in the request to protect Guru Rinpoche / Padmasambahva teaching. Doje Shugden is not just only protect Guleg linage and not sectarian as per claimed.
16 Jun 18, 12:18 PM
Pastor Shin: Thank you everyone, see you guys next week. Have a good weekend.
16 Jun 18, 12:17 PM
Julia: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone.
16 Jun 18, 12:16 PM
Valentina: Looking forward to chatting with you…

Next Saturday’s topic is

Venerable Ajahn Chah: The Influential Forest Monk

http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/venerable-ajahn-chah-the-forest-monk.html

See you!!
16 Jun 18, 12:16 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Thank you Rinpoche for this article about Dorje Shugden and Bhutan. Thank you Joy and everyone.
16 Jun 18, 12:16 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Rinpoche for giving us a platform to learn and share and expand our knowledge with all these useful truthful information. Please do your DEDICATIONS before you leave. Be Safe! Thank you. Valentina can announce next week's topic :)
16 Jun 18, 12:16 PM
jp: Thank you Rinpoche and everyone here!
16 Jun 18, 12:15 PM
Sofi: Thank you Rinpoche. Thank you Joy and everyone
16 Jun 18, 12:15 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Julai and Sofi
16 Jun 18, 12:14 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you everyone for participating in today's blog chat. This is a very well researched and thorough blog post, we need to read more and cover everything so we understand and can answer people properly online with evidence and logic. We are not trying to convert Bhutanese and force them to practise Dorje Shugden but merely presented the truth to highlight the Tibetan Leadership's deception.
16 Jun 18, 12:14 PM
Sofi: A6 : Any attempt to claim by the Tibetan Leaderships that Dorje Shugden’s practice is sectarian in nature and biased against the Nyingmas is clearly false and a lie based on the proof of authenticity in the collected works (gsung ‘bum) of Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, the 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, totalling 1071 pages, which had been published by the National Library of Bhutan and within these collected works are two liturgies pertaining to Dorje Shugden.
16 Jun 18, 12:13 PM
Pastor Antoinette: Yes Joy, the CTA wants to appear democratic but it is only a show.
16 Jun 18, 12:13 PM
Julia: A6: Dorje Shugden widely practice by Drukpa Kagyu and Nyingma schools hence Dorje Shugden is not sectarian and practiced by only Gelugpa
16 Jun 18, 12:13 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you JP yes Tibetan Leadership lied and deceived the whole world and the Je Khenpos of Bhutan bought it unfortunately.
16 Jun 18, 12:11 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Pastor Antoinette... Tibetan Leadership should NEVER get involve in religious affair since they claim to be DEMOCRATIC... where got government democratic but bans a certain group of faith? Very bad government.
16 Jun 18, 12:11 PM
jp: 6. After reading this blog post, what did you discover that is untrue but claimed by the Tibetan Leadership? The following allegations by the Tibetan leadership is not true: - Dorje Shugden practice is sectarian and causes disharmony - Dorje Shugden is a demon - Dorje Shugden is practiced by a very small population of people - Dorje Shugden is a Gelug only dharma protector and harms other lineages
16 Jun 18, 12:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: 6. After reading this blog post, what did you discover that is untrue but claimed by the Tibetan Leadership?

1) Dorje Shugden is sectarian is UNTRUE - the very fact that Dorje Shugden was relied upon by the Drukpa Kagyus proves that he is not sectarian. If Dorje Shugden was sectarian, then why would a Drukpa Kagyu high lama like Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu promote him, compose prayers for him and include him in his vast writings?
2) Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu promoting Dorje Shugden tells you he felt it is a beneficial practice for Drukpa Kagyu adherents and it does not contradict any other teachings or practices within the Drukpa Kagyu lineage. It would mean Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu knows that Dorje Shugden protects, assists and helps all who call upon him, no matter who you are and what sect you belong to.
16 Jun 18, 12:09 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin you are right... definitely not a minority practice!
16 Jun 18, 12:08 PM
Pastor Antoinette: 6. After reading this blog post, what did you discover that is untrue but claimed by the Tibetan Leadership?

Dorje Shugden was widely spread in Bhutan and extensive prayers were written to Him. Dorje Shugden is not only a protector of the Gelug lineage but instead was also practiced in the Shaky lineage as well as in the Drukpa Kagyu and Nyingma tradition. It is very unsettling to see what the Tibetan Leadership in Exile does to our religious practice. They should not get involved in religion.
16 Jun 18, 12:08 PM
Joy_Moderator: Absolutely right JP... goes to show some people have been lying to the world and sadly to Bhutan as well and up till today, the commoners do not really know the full true story so when we tell them it is like a huge shock to the system and they will fight back and deny
16 Jun 18, 12:07 PM
Pastor Shin: A6. The CTA claims that Dorje Shugden practice is a Gelug-only one, hence a sectarian one and Dorje Shugden only protects Gelug practice/practitioners. CTA also claims that Dorje Shugden was only practised by a minority of Tibetans.

Both are untrue. Firstly, as we can see from the extensive prayers composed by this highly revered lama, Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, Dorje Shugden was requested to protect the Drukpa Kagyus. Secondly, this lama was highly revered in Bhutan and this prayers were for the Bhutanese, so Dorje Shugden practice was definitely not just practised by a minority of Tibetans.
16 Jun 18, 12:06 PM
Valentina: 6. After reading this blog post, what did you discover that is untrue but claimed by the Tibetan Leadership?

ANS 6: After reading this blog post, I discovered that the Tibetan leadership's claim that Dorje Shugden is only practiced within the Gelug school of Buddhism and therefore it is sectarian is not true. Dorje Shugden is also practiced within Drukpa Kagyu tradition
16 Jun 18, 12:05 PM
Pastor Adeline: Thank you Joy and everyone. See you all next week. Have a good Raya break, hehehe! Drive safely if you are travelling.
16 Jun 18, 12:05 PM
jp: 5. What did you find that was the most significant thing about Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu? Zhabdrung Rinpoche’s prayers to Dorje Shugden also included other prominent Dharma Protectors such as Mahakala, Palden Lhama, Tsering Chenga, Zadu Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo and Jagpa Melen. It wouldn’t be possible for Zhabdrung Rinpoche to include them if Dorje Shugden is a mere spirit or low level dharma protector. In addition, Zhabdrung Rinpoche requested Dorje Shugden to protect Padmasambava’s teachings. This clearly shows that Dorje Shugden is not sectarian and protects all sentient beings because he is an enlightened being.
16 Jun 18, 12:04 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline for your final point for no.6
16 Jun 18, 12:03 PM
Joy_Moderator: Good question Pastor Adeline! Where did billions I am sure by now go? How come there many exile Tibetans still living in poverty but CTA can get a new office in Washington and a Museum in Dharamsala? Wow. >>> Pastor Adeline: However, thanks to the generous US taxpayers, the CTA gets endless donations to not achieve anything. Isn't it amazing? They get donations from the US, live in Indian tax free, and they are still refugees. Seriously, 60 years of taking care of less than 150,000 people, they are still where there were 60 years ago. Where did all the donations go?
16 Jun 18, 12:03 PM
Pastor Adeline: A6. Dorje Shugden is sectarian and he only protects Gelug lineage. Through the Zhabdrung Rinpoche's collected works, we know these 2 claims by the CTA are wrong and it is a big lie.
16 Jun 18, 12:03 PM
Julia: A5 part 2: he praise both Guru Padmasambhava and Dorje Shugden in the same verse AND make requests to Dorje Shugden to protect the doctrine of Padmasambhava, proven that Dorje Shugden’s practice was indeed not sectarian, not ‘evil’ and harmful.
16 Jun 18, 12:01 PM
Joy_Moderator: FINAL Question for the day... 6. After reading this blog post, what did you discover that is untrue but claimed by the Tibetan Leadership?
16 Jun 18, 12:01 PM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What did you find that was the most significant thing about Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu?

- The most significant thing found in the prayer requesting Dorje Shugden to protect the doctrine of Padmasambhava/Guru Rinpoche.
“Fully empowered and vajra-sealed
By deathless Vidyadhara Vajrakapalamalin [Garland of Skulls Guru Rinpoche],
To protect the general and specific doctrine,
I enthrone you as the Great King of Dharma Protectors.”
16 Jun 18, 12:01 PM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Valentina for your answer...
16 Jun 18, 12:00 PM
Pastor Adeline: The Tibetan Leadership has been using Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover the fact that they have lost Tibet for 60 years and did not do anything significant to take it back. Corruptions and personal agendas preceed the Tibetan people's needs, so they blame it on Dorje Shugden. It is ridiculous but that's how the Tibetans manipulate things since the fifth Dalai Lama time. I am sure before they were 'united', they behave the same with more smaller circles. Without unity and harmony, they failed big time. However, thanks to the generous US taxpayers, the CTA gets endless donations to not achieve anything. Isn't it amazing? They get donations from the US, live in Indian tax free, and they are still refugees. Seriously, 60 years of taking care of less than 150,000 people, they are still where there were 60 years ago. Where did all the donations go?
16 Jun 18, 12:00 PM
Joy_Moderator: Yes thank you Sofi your answer is correct. Julia your answer a little bit off track... see Pastor Shin's answer
16 Jun 18, 11:59 AM
Valentina: ANS 5: What I found most significant:

- Zhabdrung Rinpoche put Dorje Shugden at par with other enlightened Dharma Protectors such as Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, Jagpa Melen.

- Zhabdrung Rinpoche dedicated 21 pages solely for Dorje Shugden that follows the traditional format of petitions to the Dharma Protectors which indicated that Dorje Shugden was not a minor protector.

- This is yet another proof that Dorje Shugden is not a sectarian practice.
16 Jun 18, 11:58 AM
Julia: A5: Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu also makes a particular reference to Dorje Shugden as the great Protector who is the embodiment of all the Buddhas’ power. This is an indisputable indication of Dorje Shugden’s Buddha-nature, and the fact that Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened being and not a demon as the Tibetan leadership would like to mislead us into believing. It also proves that Dorje Shugden practice was once well-established in the Drukpa Kagyu country of Bhutan, contrary to claims that his practice is a Gelug-only one and only practised by a minority of Tibetans. The fact is that Dorje Shugden’s practice was so widespread that it even crossed the southern border into Bhutan where it was absorbed into the Drukpa Kagyu collection of scriptures and teachings. The Zhabdrung incarnations are the highest lamas in Bhutan and their images can be found in monasteries and homes across the country. It is impossible that this revered Drukpa Kagyu high lama, whose incarnations are believed to be emanations of Chenrezig, could have made a mistake in spreading and recommending a so-called “Gelugpa-only” Protector practice to the people of Bhutan. It can only mean that Dorje Shugden’s practice is beneficial and that he protects, assists and helps all who call upon him NO MATTER who they are and what sect they belong to.
16 Jun 18, 11:58 AM
Sofi: A5 : The Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu clearly shows that Dorje Shugden's practice is non-sectarian and does not discriminate against Nyimas or any other sect. It was a powerful practice that had spread to protect other lineage practices other than that of Lama Tsongkapa's lineage. Dorje Shugden is enlightened as he is placed together with the other enlightened Dharma Protectors and even Guru Rinpoche himself as shown by the praises given and requests made. Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu also makes a particular reference to Dorje Shugden as the great Protector who is the embodiment of all the Buddhas’ power. This is an indisputable indication of Dorje Shugden’s Buddha-nature, and the fact that Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened being.
16 Jun 18, 11:58 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you JP for your accurate answer to Q4.
Victor you only answered half... see JP's answer ;)
16 Jun 18, 11:56 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank Pastor Shin, your answer is good with example of the prayer :)
16 Jun 18, 11:56 AM
Pastor Antoinette: Yes, I fully agree! quote from Joy_Moderator: Yes you are right Pastor Antoinette but most significant thing you left out about the prayer... the prayer composed by Zhabdrung RInpoche actually says/request Dorje Shugden to protect Padmasambhava's teachings! Isn't that amazing?!
16 Jun 18, 11:55 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Adeline! True... the Tibetan Leadership twisted and deceived the whole world and now we uncovered another evidence they are wrong. So wrong.
16 Jun 18, 11:55 AM
Pastor Shin: A5. The most significant thing found in the prayer is that he praise both Guru Padmasambhava and Dorje Shugden in the same verse AND make requests to Dorje Shugden to protect the doctrine of Padmasambhava.

Ordered to protect the essential doctrine
By Padma Wang and Jamyang father and sons
Heruka and Vajrakapalamalin [Guru Rinpoche],
Dorje Shugden and retinue consider me.

Fully empowered and vajra-sealed
By deathless Vidyadhara Vajrakapalamalin [Garland of Skulls Guru Rinpoche],
To protect the general and specific doctrine,
I enthrone you as the Great King of Dharma Protectors.
16 Jun 18, 11:54 AM
Joy_Moderator: Yes you are right Pastor Antoinette but most significant thing you left out about the prayer... the prayer composed by Zhabdrung RInpoche actually says/request Dorje Shugden to protect Padmasambhava's teachings! Isn't that amazing?!
16 Jun 18, 11:53 AM
Pastor Adeline: A5. Zhabdrung Rinpoche mentioned Dharma Protectors such as Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, Jagpa Melen together with Dorje Shugden indicating Dorje Shugden are the same level as them. They are all enlightened. In addition to this, he dedicated 21 pages solely for Dorje Shugden that follows the traditional format of petitions to the Dharma Protectors and consists of the visualisation, invocation, offering, torma, praise, fulfilment offering (bskang ba), confession and enthronement sections. Both prayers begins with a verse of prostration to “Maha Guru Padmasambhava, manifestation of all Buddhas of the three times” and many other references to Padmasambhava throughout. Given that Padmasambhava is predominantly practised in the Nyingma and Drukpa Kagyu traditions of Tibetan Buddhism, any attempt to claim that Dorje Shugden’s practice is sectarian in nature and biased against the Nyingmas is clearly false and a lie.
16 Jun 18, 11:52 AM
Victor.C: A4.
- The 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden.
- The prayers of Dorje Shugden found in the liturgy of ‘Request for Fulfilment of Activities to All Protectors’ in 50 pages and the liturgy been kept in National Library of Bhutan.
16 Jun 18, 11:51 AM
jp: 4. Which Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and where can these prayers be found and how many pages was written on Dorje Shugden? The 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden totalling to 71 pages. These prayers can be found in Zhabdrung Rinpoche’s sungbum which is available at the National Library of Bhutan. The Dorje Shugden prayers can be found in the first liturgy within “Na” volume, “Request for Fulfilment of Activities to All Protectors” which is 50 pages. The other liturgy is found in “Pha” volume which is an extensive fulfilment ritual to Dorje Shugden consisting of 21 pages.
16 Jun 18, 11:51 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 5. What did you find that was the most significant thing about Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu?

These prayer show clearly that Dorje Shugden is not an only Gelug Dharma Protector as some claime but Dorje Shugden was widely practised amongst the Kagyus (more specifically Drukpa Kagyu) as well as the Sakya and Nyingma traditions.
16 Jun 18, 11:51 AM
Sofi: A4 : The collected works (gsung ‘bum) of Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, the 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, totalling 1071 pages, have been published by the National Library of Bhutan. Within these collected works are two liturgies pertaining to Dorje Shugden. The first liturgy belongs within the ‘Na’ (ན་) volume (pages 735-785) and it is a ‘Request for Fulfilment of Activities to All Protectors‘ or bka’ gter bsrung ma rnams la mchod cing ‘phrin las bcol ba’i rim pa khrag ‘thung khros pa’i gad rgyangs zhes bya ba bzhugs so. The first part of this extensive 50-page liturgy petitions a number of Dharma Protectors including Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, Dorje Shugden and Jagpa Melen. The second part of the liturgy is a daily torma offering ritual to the Dharma Protectors including Dorje Shugden. The other liturgy in Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu’s collected works is an extensive fulfilment ritual (bskang gsol) to Dorje Shugden that can be found within the ‘Pha’ (ཕ་) volume on pages 910-930. This 21-page liturgy called rgyal chen rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las myur ‘grub zhes bya ba bzhugs so follows the traditional format of petitions to the Dharma Protectors and consists of the visualisation, invocation, offering, torma, praise, fulfilment offering (bskang ba), confession and enthronement sections.
16 Jun 18, 11:49 AM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What did you find that was the most significant thing about Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu?
16 Jun 18, 11:48 AM
Joy_Moderator: 4. Which Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and where can these prayers be found and how many pages was written on Dorje Shugden?

- The 4th Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu is the one who wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden
- The prayers to Dorje Shugden can be found in his collected works (Sungbum) which has a total of 1071.
- The first part of this extensive 50-page liturgy petitions a number of Dharma Protectors including Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, Dorje Shugden and Jagpa Melen.
- The second part of the liturgy is a daily torma offering ritual to the Dharma Protectors including Dorje Shugden. This section are rituals devoted solely to Dorje Shugden alone consisting of 21 pages.
16 Jun 18, 11:48 AM
Joy_Moderator: 5. What did you find that was the most significant thing about Dorje Shugden’s prayer composed by Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu?
16 Jun 18, 11:47 AM
Joy_Moderator: Julia your answer is missing a few things, take a look at some of the answers below ya :)
16 Jun 18, 11:47 AM
Victor.C: A3.
- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung.
- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal counts amongst his noble ancestors Tsangpa Gyare, who was the first Gyalwang Drukpa.
- He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion, and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa.
16 Jun 18, 11:47 AM
Joy_Moderator: And Valentina your answers is correct too.
16 Jun 18, 11:46 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin as well
16 Jun 18, 11:46 AM
Julia: A4 part 2: The other liturgy in Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu’s collected works is an extensive fulfilment ritual (bskang gsol) to Dorje Shugden that can be found within the ‘Pha’ (ཕ་) volume on pages 910-930. This 21-page liturgy called rgyal chen rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las myur ‘grub zhes bya ba bzhugs so follows the traditional format of petitions to the Dharma Protectors and consists of the visualisation, invocation, offering, torma, praise, fulfilment offering (bskang ba), confession and enthronement sections.
16 Jun 18, 11:46 AM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Pastor Adeline, Pastor Antoinette your answer for Q4 is correct and accurate!
16 Jun 18, 11:46 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. Which Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and where can these prayers be found and how many pages was written on Dorje Shugden? To Clarify:

The prayer from the 3rd Drubwang Tenzin Zangpo from the Dreuley (Dre’u Lhas) incarnation lineage can be found in the Dorje Shugden be bum or collection of Dorje Shugden texts.

The prayers from the 4th Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, from the reincarnation lineage of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, can be found in the collected works (gsung ‘bum) of this great master.
16 Jun 18, 11:45 AM
Valentina: ANS 4: The 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden. These prayers can be found in:
*1. bka’ gter bsrung ma rnams la mchod cing ‘phrin las bcol ba’i rim pa khrag ‘thung khros pa’i gad rgyangs zhes bya ba bzhugs so, which is a ritual to various Dharma Protectors including Dorje Shugden (50 pages)
*2. rgyal chen rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las myur ‘grub zhes bya ba bzhugs so, which is a ritual devoted solely to Dorje Shugden alone (21 pages)
16 Jun 18, 11:44 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette for correct answer for no.3
16 Jun 18, 11:43 AM
Julia: A4: Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, the 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and totalling 1071 pages, have been published by the National Library of Bhutan. Within these collected works are two liturgies pertaining to Dorje Shugden.
16 Jun 18, 11:42 AM
Pastor Shin: A4. The 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden. They can be found in his collected works (gsung ‘bum), totalling 1071 pages, published by the National Library of Bhutan. Within these collected works are two liturgies pertaining to Dorje Shugden.

The first liturgy belongs within the ‘Na’ (ན་) volume (pages 735-785) and it is a ‘Request for Fulfilment of Activities to All Protectors‘ , an extensive 50-page liturgy petitions a number of Dharma Protectors including Mahakala, Palden Lhamo, Tsering Chenga, Zadü Chenpo, Zhing Kyongma, Phama Busum, Tsiu Marpo, Jatri Tsengo, Dorje Shugden and Jagpa Melen.

The other liturgy in Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu’s collected works is an extensive 21-page fulfilment ritual (bskang gsol) to Dorje Shugden that can be found within the ‘Pha’ (ཕ་) volume on pages 910-930.
16 Jun 18, 11:42 AM
Julia: A3: Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung. On his father’s side, he counts amongst his noble ancestors Tsangpa Gyare, who was the first Gyalwang Drukpa. He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa.
16 Jun 18, 11:42 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 4. Which Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and where can these prayers be found and how many pages was written on Dorje Shugden?

The 3rd Drubwang Tenzin Zangpo from the Dreuley (Dre’u Lhas) incarnation lineage authored part of an early propitiation text to Dorje Shugden titled rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las ‘dod ‘jo or Petition to Dorje Shugden Tsel: Granting All Desired Activities. This text can be found in the Dorje Shugden be bum (complete collection of Dorje Shugden texts).

the 4th Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, from the reincarnation lineage of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, also included extensive prayers to Dorje Shugden in his collected works (gsung ‘bum). There are two particularly noteworthy entries:
bka’ gter bsrung ma rnams la mchod cing ‘phrin las bcol ba’i rim pa khrag ‘thung khros pa’i gad rgyangs zhes bya ba bzhugs so, which is a ritual to various Dharma Protectors including Dorje Shugden (50 pages); and
rgyal chen rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las myur ‘grub zhes bya ba bzhugs so, which is a ritual devoted solely to Dorje Shugden alone (21 pages)
16 Jun 18, 11:41 AM
Pastor Adeline: A4. The 4th. The collected works (gsung ‘bum) of Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu, the 4th mind incarnation of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, totalling 1071 pages, have been published by the National Library of Bhutan. Within these collected works are two liturgies pertaining to Dorje Shugden.

The first liturgy belongs within the ‘Na’ (ན་) volume (pages 735-785) and it is a ‘Request for Fulfilment of Activities to All Protectors‘ or bka’ gter bsrung ma rnams la mchod cing ‘phrin las bcol ba’i rim pa khrag ‘thung khros pa’i gad rgyangs zhes bya ba bzhugs so.

The other liturgy in Zhabdrung Jigme Norbu’s collected works is an extensive fulfilment ritual (bskang gsol) to Dorje Shugden that can be found within the ‘Pha’ (ཕ་) volume on pages 910-930. This 21-page liturgy called rgyal chen rdo rje shugs ldan rtsal gyi gsol kha ‘phrin las myur ‘grub zhes bya ba bzhugs so follows the traditional format of petitions to the Dharma Protectors and consists of the visualisation, invocation, offering, torma, praise, fulfilment offering (bskang ba), confession and enthronement sections.

71 pages in total.
16 Jun 18, 11:40 AM
Victor.C: A2.
- Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century.

- The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers.

- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:38 AM
Victor.C: A1. Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th Century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava. Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters such as: - Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century.
- The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers.
- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:38 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 3. Who is Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and who is he an emanation of?

Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, arose in the 17th Century and became the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, in secular as well as in spiritual domains. He also unified the country as a single nation-state.
He is said to be an emanation of Chenrezig. In the article it says: "The most important incarnation line in Bhutan is that of the Zhabdrung tulkus and no story of Bhutan would be complete without mentioning Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal. Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung." and "He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion, and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa."
16 Jun 18, 11:37 AM
Joy_Moderator: 4. Which Zhabdrung Rinpoche wrote prayers to Dorje Shugden and where can these prayers be found and how many pages was written on Dorje Shugden?
16 Jun 18, 11:37 AM
Joy_Moderator: 3. Who is Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and who is he an emanation of?

- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung.
- He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion, and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa.
16 Jun 18, 11:37 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Sofi your No.3 answer is correct!
16 Jun 18, 11:36 AM
Joy_Moderator: Sofi check out answer No.1 and all answers that has come out to see if your answers are correct :)
16 Jun 18, 11:36 AM
Sofi: A3 : Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung. On his father’s side, he counts amongst his noble ancestors Tsangpa Gyare, who was the first Gyalwang Drukpa. He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion, and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa.
16 Jun 18, 11:35 AM
Valentina: Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal was the founding father of Bhutan and the emanation of Chenrezig
16 Jun 18, 11:35 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thanks Valentina for trying even though you're having some technical problems
16 Jun 18, 11:35 AM
Joy_Moderator: Yes Jp you are correct but you missed this part: Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal (1594-1651), the founding father of Bhutan was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung.
16 Jun 18, 11:34 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin your answer is most accurate!
16 Jun 18, 11:34 AM
Sofi: A2 : Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century; The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:34 AM
Sofi: A1 :Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th Century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava. Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters such as Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century; The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:33 AM
Valentina: Ans2: the spiritual masters responsible for establishing Drukpa kagyu school in Bhutan were: Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, Drukpa Kunley, Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal
16 Jun 18, 11:32 AM
jp: 3. Who is Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and who is he an emanation of? Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal is the founder of Bhutan and an emanation of Chenrezig.
16 Jun 18, 11:32 AM
Pastor Shin: A3.Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal (1594-1651), the founding father of Bhutan was the 18th throne-holder of Ralung Monastery and the hereditary prince of Ralung.

He is believed to be an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion, and his preceding incarnations are said to include notable figures such as the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo and Gampopa Sonam Rinchen, the most important student of Jetsun Milarepa.
16 Jun 18, 11:31 AM
Sofi: Good morning Rinpoche. Good morning Joy and everyone.
16 Jun 18, 11:30 AM
Pastor Adeline: A3. The founding father of Bhutan. Emanation of Chenresig
16 Jun 18, 11:29 AM
Joy_Moderator: 3. Who is Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and who is he an emanation of?
16 Jun 18, 11:29 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Who were the spiritual masters responsible for establishing the Drukpa Kagyu school in Bhutan?

The founding fathers/great masters were:
1) Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo – he was the first to established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century
2) The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley – he is considered one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers.
4) Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal - the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority, both in the secular and spiritual domains. He was the one who unified the country to be a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:29 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Julia, Pastor Shin for your answers...
16 Jun 18, 11:28 AM
Valentina: My apology drukpa kagyu not drikung kagyu
16 Jun 18, 11:27 AM
Julia: hehehehee... okiedokie
16 Jun 18, 11:27 AM
Valentina: Ans 1. Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche. Over the centuries, the Nyingma school was surpassed in popularity by Drikung Kagyu through the effort of spiritual masters of that lineage
16 Jun 18, 11:25 AM
Pastor Shin: A2. The spiritual masters responsible for establishing the Drukpa Kagyu school in Bhutan were:

- Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century
- The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and
- Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:24 AM
Pastor Antoinette: 2. Who were the spiritual masters responsible for establishing the Drukpa Kagyu school in Bhutan?

Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters.

1.Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century;
2.The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and
3.Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.

The Drukpa Kagyu school of Buddhism, a sub-sect of the larger Kagyu lineage, eventually became the state religion of Bhutan and today, Bhutan is often known as the “last stronghold of Vajrayana Buddhism”.
16 Jun 18, 11:24 AM
Julia: A2: Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century; The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:21 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you JP and Pastor Adeline for your accurate answer
16 Jun 18, 11:20 AM
Pastor Antoinette: quote from Pastor Shin: "A1. According to historical annals, Buddhism was first introduced to the Bhutanese region in the 7th Century AD by the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo, who commissioned the construction of the first Buddhist temples in Bhutan. Buddhism was further entrenched during the reign of King Sindhu Raja of the Kingdom of Bumthang, who invited the Buddhist saint Padmasambhava to Bhutan to cure him of a mysterious illness brought on by an offended local deity. During this and two more visits to Bhutan, Padmasambhava meditated at various sites around the region and introduced the Sutra and Vajrayana teachings, which later came to be known as the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. For a time, this became the dominant religion of the country."
16 Jun 18, 11:19 AM
Pastor Adeline: A2. 1) Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century;

2) The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and

3) Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:18 AM
jp: 2. Who were the spiritual masters responsible for establishing the Drukpa Kagyu school in Bhutan? They were Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, Drukpa Kunley and Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal.
16 Jun 18, 11:17 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you JP, good answer!
16 Jun 18, 11:17 AM
Joy_Moderator: 2. Who were the spiritual masters responsible for establishing the Drukpa Kagyu school in Bhutan?
16 Jun 18, 11:17 AM
Joy_Moderator: Ok this is the question you answered in No.1...
16 Jun 18, 11:16 AM
jp: 1. How did Buddhism start in Bhutan? Buddhism was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava during the 8th Century. Over the centuries, the Drukpa Kagyu lineage of Buddhism became more popular than the Nyingmapas. It was Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan during the 13th Century. Others who proliferated the Karma Kagyu lineage were Drukpa Kunley during the 15th Century and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal during the 17th Century. The Drukpa Kagyu lineage, a sub-sect of Kagyu lineage, became the state religion of Bhutan.
16 Jun 18, 11:16 AM
Julia: Noted. thank you Joy.
16 Jun 18, 11:16 AM
Joy_Moderator: 1. How did Buddhism start in Bhutan?

- Buddhism was first introduced to Bhutan by the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo in the 7th Century AD. He commissioned the construction of the first Buddhist temples in Bhutan.
- Then during the reign of King Sindhu Raja of the Kingdom of Bumthang, Buddhism took root when he invited the Buddhist saint Padmasambhava to Bhutan to cure him of a mysterious illness brought on by an offended local deity.
- During this time and 2 other visits, Padmasambhava meditated at various sites around the Bhutan region and introduced the Sutra and Vajrayana teachings, which later came to be known as the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. This became the dominant religion of the country for a while until the 12th Century.
16 Jun 18, 11:16 AM
Joy_Moderator: you can relax next question
16 Jun 18, 11:16 AM
Joy_Moderator: @Julia... see Pastor Shin's answer :) ya too much info
16 Jun 18, 11:15 AM
Julia: Sorry Joy, heheeheh...
16 Jun 18, 11:15 AM
Joy_Moderator: Good morning Sofi!
16 Jun 18, 11:14 AM
Sofi: Good morning Rinpoche. Good morning Joy and everyone
16 Jun 18, 11:14 AM
Julia: A1, part 2 :The Drukpa Kagyu school of Buddhism, a sub-sect of the larger Kagyu lineage, eventually became the state religion of Bhutan and today, Bhutan is often known as the “last stronghold of Vajrayana Buddhism”.
16 Jun 18, 11:14 AM
Joy_Moderator: Please see Pastor Shin's answer :)
16 Jun 18, 11:14 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Julia... I only asked how it started not who started it yet...
16 Jun 18, 11:13 AM
Pastor Antoinette: Haha Joy, that's funny.
16 Jun 18, 11:13 AM
Julia: A1: Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th Century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava. Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters such as: Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century; The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.
16 Jun 18, 11:13 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Shin, your is most accurate and according to the question.
16 Jun 18, 11:13 AM
Julia: Good morning Rinpoche and everyone.
16 Jun 18, 11:12 AM
Joy_Moderator: Thank you Pastor Antoinette and Pastor Adeline... you also answered question no. 2 lol
16 Jun 18, 11:12 AM
Pastor Antoinette: A1 continued: Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, was the first who established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century; In the 15th Century, mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, was one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual terms, and he was the one who unified the country as a single nation-state. Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo introduced the Drukpa Kagyu lineage to Bhutan. The Drukpa Kagyu school of Buddhism, a sub-sect of the larger Kagyu lineage, which eventually became the state religion of Bhutan and today, Bhutan is known as the “last stronghold of Vajrayana Buddhism”.
16 Jun 18, 11:09 AM
Valentina: Hello chatroom
16 Jun 18, 11:08 AM
Pastor Antoinette: A1: Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th Century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava. Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters
16 Jun 18, 11:08 AM
Pastor Adeline: A1. Buddhism in Bhutan dates back to the 8th Century when it was first introduced by Guru Rinpoche or Padmasambhava. Over the centuries, the Nyingma or “ancient” school of Buddhism was surpassed in popularity by the Drukpa Kagyu school through the efforts of spiritual masters such as:

1) Lama Phajo Drukgom Shigpo, who first established the Drukpa Kagyu lineage in Bhutan in the 13th Century;

2) The unconventional 15th Century mahasiddha Drukpa Kunley, one of the most famous and beloved Drukpa Kagyu teachers; and

3) Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyal, the 17th Century master who rose to become the supreme authority throughout Bhutan, both in the secular and spiritual domains, and unified the country as a single nation-state.

The Drukpa Kagyu school of Buddhism, a sub-sect of the larger Kagyu lineage, eventually became the state religion of Bhutan and today, Bhutan is often known as the “last stronghold of Vajrayana Buddhism”.
16 Jun 18, 11:08 AM
Pastor Shin: A1. According to historical annals, Buddhism was first introduced to the Bhutanese region in the 7th Century AD by the Tibetan king Songtsen Gampo, who commissioned the construction of the first Buddhist temples in Bhutan.

Buddhism was further entrenched during the reign of King Sindhu Raja of the Kingdom of Bumthang, who invited the Buddhist saint Padmasambhava to Bhutan to cure him of a mysterious illness brought on by an offended local deity. During this and two more visits to Bhutan, Padmasambhava meditated at various sites around the region and introduced the Sutra and Vajrayana teachings, which later came to be known as the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. For a time, this became the dominant religion of the country.
16 Jun 18, 11:07 AM
Joy_Moderator: Good morning Pastor Antoinette :)
16 Jun 18, 11:06 AM
Pastor Antoinette: Good morning Rinpoche, good morning Joy, good morning Pastor Adeline and everyone
16 Jun 18, 11:06 AM
Pastor Adeline: Good morning everyone!
16 Jun 18, 11:02 AM
Joy_Moderator: 1. How did Buddhism start in Bhutan?
16 Jun 18, 11:02 AM
Joy_Moderator: Ok here comes the first question...
16 Jun 18, 11:01 AM
Joy_Moderator: Ya I have not seen such a thing either... tapping on the head of a statue? Very strange. Don't think Dorje Shugden needs someone to tap anything lol.
16 Jun 18, 11:01 AM
Pastor Shin: Good morning Joy, good morning everyone.
16 Jun 18, 11:00 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
I've not seen or read about a lama tapping the head of a Shugden statue in order to keep his oath/samaya, hence my clarifying question. Perhaps it is only in the Sakya tradition. You can ready more about the Sakya lineage and Dorje Shugden here: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-sakya-lineage-dorje-shugden.html
16 Jun 18, 10:50 AM
Joy_Moderator: Hello all, today’s Blog Chat Topic... The 4th Zhabdrung Rinpoche of Bhutan and Dorje Shugden Focusing on Zhabdrung Rinpoche http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-4th-zhabdrung-rinpoche-of-bhutan-and-dorje-shugden.html
We shall start in about 10minutes!
16 Jun 18, 10:27 AM
Tashi: Wait, oracles have it as well? I read from the great Dzogchen master, Namkhai Norbu, in one of his books that this is a Sakya tradition where the lama taps the head of a Shugden statue in order to keep his oath/samaya. But I never knew oracles had this. Where was that part in the Shugden trance in Malaysia? All I saw was the oracle shaking and then performing a sword dance, prostrating, receiving a torma, and so on.
16 Jun 18, 09:18 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2m6tafs3160.jpg Nice
16 Jun 18, 08:42 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2m6s45g5491.jpg Stunning Guru Rinpoche thangka. Please download and save. Click on picture to enlarge.
16 Jun 18, 03:39 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
Do you mean the lamas tap the heads of oracles in trance? Where did you see this with Dorje Shugden please.
16 Jun 18, 01:07 AM
Tashi: Is it normal for lamas to tap the heads of protectors with vajras? I've seen this so far with Shugden, but is it a thing with other protectors such as Palden Lhamo, Mahakala, etc.? I would like to know.
15 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Tsem Rinpoche: This incredible White Tara was discovered in Indonesia. It is said to be 800 years old and made by Nagarjuna. A local person Mr. Supriyono dreamed of a bluish red dragon surrounding the village and splashing down into the well before finding Her. This beautiful White Tara was discovered in Indonesia. See video: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dW0Ms1oR0&feature=youtu.be http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/gallery/chat-pictures/chat-9d2lxsyed7404.jpg
15 Jun 18, 08:58 PM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
That's good to know. Have a good weekend ahead.
15 Jun 18, 08:56 PM
Tashi: Ah, okay that is cleared. Thank you! I can now see why the anti-Shugdenpas misunderstand the Shugdenpas.
15 Jun 18, 06:00 PM
Pastor Shin: Dear Tashi,
Your question: "I thought Bon was a part of the Dzogchen path(or at least after Padmasambhava). How is Pabongkhapa, a great student of the Nyingma, against the Dzogchen paths of Bon?"

[Part 1/2]
I read that there are 2 kinds of Bon. The Bon that is an indigenous pre-Buddhist shamanistic and animistic culture of Tibet, and Yundrung Bon that has teachings and the practices related to the higher teachings of Sutra, Tantra, and Dzogchen. Perhaps you can read up more online about this.

It was said that Pabongka Rinpoche discussed the topic at length in relations to taking refuge, related to Bon meditation and philosophical views, of which "the systems that the universe were born from eggs or create by the Cha deities, Shiva, and so on". Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche was quoting Jetsun Milarepa's words,
The source of Boen is perverted Dharma,
A creation of nagas and powerful elementals,
It does not take one to the ultimate path.
...
The refuge of Buddhists it the Three Jewels;
Of non-Buddhists, Brahma and Indra.
The fully enlightened Buddha
Is himself freed from samsara,
So is able to liberate others.
Worldly gods such as Shiva and the like
Are themselves bound to samsara;
They can give others short-term siddhis,
But how could they give
The freedom of complete liberation?
...

Pabongka Rinpoche was giving advice to not take refuge in the Bon gods, and that Buddhists should take refuge purely, and only take refuge in the Three Jewels.
15 Jun 18, 05:59 PM
Pastor Shin: [Part 2/2]
On the same page where you quoted the text, it is also said that: "On the other hand, a number of works attributed to Pabongkha contain passages citing the importance of respecting all traditions of Tibetan Buddhism as well as clear statements of respect for specific religious figures from all traditions, such as Padmasambhava, the five founding figures of the Sakya tradition (sa skya gong ma rnam lnga), and Kagyu teachers such as Marpa Chokyi Lodro (mar pa chod kyi blo gros, 1002/1012-1097) and Milarepa."

These 2 posts below will give you more insight about Pabongka Rinpoche. The second piece may interest you as it was written by Gelek Rinpoche, the son of the 10th Demo Rinpoche. The 10th Demo Rinpoche was "one of the best among the great disciples of Pabongka (Rinpoche)". You will find the details about Pabongka Rinpoche's fanatical manager whose actions may have caused many practitioners of other traditions to think that Pabongka Rinpoche was sectarian.

1. What Others Say About H.H. Pabongka Rinpoche
http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/h-h-pabongka-rinpoche-in-the-words-of-his-disciples.html

2. Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche’s Clairvoyance
http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/kyabje-pabongka-rinpoches-clairvoyance.html
15 Jun 18, 05:05 PM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi,
The current Tibetan National Anthem (བོད་རྒྱལ་ཁབ་ཆེན་པོའི་རྒྱལ་གླུ།, Bod Rgyal Khab Chen Po'i Rgyal Glu), known as Gyallu, was written by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche [Lobzang Yeshe Tendzin Gyatso], the tutor of His Holiness the Dalai Lama in 1950.

You can read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_National_Anthem
15 Jun 18, 04:21 PM
Pastor Shin: Dear Tashi,

Your question: "The entire episode is understood within this lineage of Dorje Shugden to be an act of Shugden's wrath against the pollution (that is, the presence of Nyingma practice) of the Geluk tradition." This doesn't sound like a good thing. Could it please be explained?"

- As I have found limited information about this incident regarding the 9th Demo Rinpoche, I will share what I personally think about this. Please do not think that Dorje Shugden is sectarian. Since Dorje Shugden is being practised by masters of different lineages, such as Sakya, Nyingma and Drukpa Kagyu, Dorje Shugden is not against Nyingma practices when it says "Shugden's wrath against the pollution (that is, the presence of Nyingma practice) of the Geluk tradition."

Perhaps I can illustrate it using a simpler explanation. For example, if you are the President of Harvard University, but you keep inviting Yale University's professors to give public talks and courses in Harvard, the general public may have wrong view about Harvard. For example, why must Harvard bring in Yale's professors? Are Harvard professors' not good enough? When Yale professors refer to their own textbooks and books used in Yale, which may be very different from Harvard's, it may confuse the students in Harvard. I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.
15 Jun 18, 11:55 AM
Tashi: What is the Tibetan national anthem of Lobzang Yeshe Tendzin Gyatso? I never knew that existed, especially at this time.
15 Jun 18, 11:52 AM
Tashi: "He was particularly adamant that Tsongkhapa and the Geluk tradition's understanding of Madhyamaka was exclusively correct and was critical of certain teachings from other traditions which he believed to be corrupt, such as a number of Nyingma treasure cycles. Pabongkha, however, reserved his strongest criticism for the Bon (bon) tradition, which he saw as a corrupt path, plagiarized from Buddhism, which did not lead to liberation." I thought Bon was a part of the Dzogchen path(or at least after Padmasambhava). How is Pabongkhapa, a great student of the Nyingma, against the Dzogchen paths of Bon?
15 Jun 18, 11:48 AM
Tashi: "The entire episode is understood within this lineage of Dorje Shugden to be an act of Shugden's wrath against the pollution (that is, the presence of Nyingma practice) of the Geluk tradition." This doesn't sound like a good thing. Could it please be explained?
15 Jun 18, 09:41 AM
Tsem Rinpoche: Dear everyone, Please go over these must reads. There are four short biographies. They are not very long. But read them carefully and please understand them well and retain the information. Three of them are very inspiring as well as surprising: 1. https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies/view/Takpu-Pema-Vajra-Jampel-Tenpai-Ngodrub/TBRC_P231 2. https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies/view/Pabongkha-Dechen-Nyingpo/P230 3. https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies/view/Third-Trijang-Rinpoche-Lobzang-Yeshe-Tendzin-Gyatso/TBRC_P2596 4. This is the one that killed TDG- https://treasuryoflives.org/biographies/view/Depa-Norbu/13614 Ask Pastor Niral or Pastor David about anything you don’t understand. They will be happy to clarify. Tsem Rinpoche
15 Jun 18, 04:02 AM
Pastor Shin: Dear Tashi,
Unfortunately, there are casulties. This include many old monks who passed away heartbroken, some were those in Chushi Gangdruk who travelled and protected the Dalai Lama on the journey out from Tibet to India. Many others have to watch the sangha/ monasteries split, families, partners, parents and kids separated, physical violence, death threats and more. There is no way to avoid that unfortunately, that is why H.E. Tsem Rinpoche is always actively asking for a dialogue between the Tibetan leadership and Dorje Shugden practitioners, and also to end the discrimination.

Even if the Tibetan leadership disagree with the practice of Dorje Shugden, they can still stop the Tibetan community from discriminating or ostracising Dorje Shugden practitioners. However, they didn't and to make it worse, it was decided by the Tibetan Parliament in Exile (and passed in a resolution) that Dorje Shugden practitioners are labelled as "criminals in history". As such, we are trying our best to get our message out there, to give information about Dorje Shugden as an enlightened protector, and ask for the ban to be lifted, and to stop the discrimination and ostracisation. If you are active on social media like Facebook, Twitter, and other platforms, please help to share our articles and posts, so that more people can understand the situation and lend a helping hand.
15 Jun 18, 03:40 AM
Tashi: I see, so the deities must act like they're against Shugden in order to promote Shugden when the time time is right. Got it(maybe). But what about the mass amount of people being harmed, killed, etc.? I am concerned on that part.
15 Jun 18, 02:35 AM
Pastor Shin: The ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden, we believe is a skillful method used by His Holiness the Dalai Lama that will lead to the growth of Dorje Shugden practice in the world. These gods and goddesses may be just assisting His Holiness the Dalai Lama in his method, and they will definitely not go against the practice of an enlightened protector, they have no reason to.

Perhaps you would like to read about the 16th Karmapa's prophecy who predicted that in the future, people will rely on or practice Dorje Shugden: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-prophecy-of-the-16th-karmapa.html
15 Jun 18, 02:31 AM
Pastor Shin: Hi Tashi, This was my reply earlier: I personally believe that like Nechung, who was instrumental in creating the situation for Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen to become the protector Dorje Shugden, (you can read the graphic novels here: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-graphic-novels.html) these gods (Nechung) and goddesses (Tenma, Dorje Yudronma etc) are not against Dorje Shugden. Why would they be jealous of an enlightened being/protector? They are merely creating a scene, in line with the Tibetan government's plan to execute the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden.
15 Jun 18, 12:10 AM
Cc: 🙏🙏🙏
14 Jun 18, 11:19 PM
Jacinta: From what I’ve observed, usually Pastor Shin or Pastor Niral will reply those who asked questions in this blog
14 Jun 18, 11:15 PM
Tashi: Ah, I see. Are the pastors not here at the moment?
14 Jun 18, 11:15 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Hi Tashi, I hope Pastor Shin will come Online soon as I’m eager to know too.
14 Jun 18, 11:14 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee and to everyone here. Thanks for joining us. Without the commitment and dedication from each one of you, this chat will not be possible at all. Good night.
14 Jun 18, 11:13 PM
Tashi: Okay then, so why would you include the Tenma in your prayers when they are trying to destroy Shugden?
14 Jun 18, 11:13 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Yes, Selamat Hari Raya to all and please be safe while travelling the roads. Thanks for reminding us my dear Yee Mun ~ please do the dedication!
14 Jun 18, 11:11 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank you very much Jacinta for moderating. Thank you everyone for joining the blogchat tonight. Don't forget your dedications. Goodnight.
14 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: It’s something that unexplainable ~instant faith @Pastor Han Nee: Yes, Jacinta, he had felt instant deep faith at the sight of a picture of Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
CarynW: Thank you Rinpoche, Jacinta, Pastor and all. Good night and have a good rest.
14 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): Good night Rinpoche and everyone .
14 Jun 18, 11:10 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Pastor Han Nee, Jacinta and everyone. Good night and remember to do dedication yeah.
14 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
Jiaseng: Goodnight Rinpoche, pastors and everyone in the chat room :)
14 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
Lum Kok Luen: Thank you Rinpoche and all in chat room. Have a wonderful long weekend and whoever is travelling, travel safe.
14 Jun 18, 11:09 PM
Jiaseng: Thank you Jacinta :D
14 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Good night Kin Hoe.
14 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Yes, Jacinta, he had felt instant deep faith at the sight of a picture of Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Thank you Rinpoche, Jacinta, Pastors and all in chat room. Good night and have a blessed weekend ahead.
14 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Don’t worry Tashi. We have finished our chat and I admired your thought provoking questions in this chat about 12 Tenma Goddesses
14 Jun 18, 11:08 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A8: Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche blessed Burcha after Burcha offered Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche with vitamins and kuyong. Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche gave Burcha the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha's mantra. Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche also advised Burcha that whenever Burcha travels, Burcha need to always remember that Burcha's teacher and Burcha's Protector are one. When Burcha recites the Mantra of his Protector, Burcha needs to remember his Protector is also Burcha's root guru.
14 Jun 18, 11:07 PM
Tashi: Oops! My bad! Sorry if I disturbed the chat.
14 Jun 18, 11:06 PM
Tashi: "The Tenma goddesses are not our enemy and are not against Dorje Shugden. In fact, in in our monthly Dorje Shugden puja, the Tenma goddesses are included to receive offerings. The ban on Dorje Shugden was not imposed by the gods, but rather by the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala" Wait, first you agree that the Tenma and 5 Sisters want to ban Shugden, but you still worship them and add them on to your pujas?
14 Jun 18, 11:06 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Thank you Lum, Elaine and Yee Mun for the answers
14 Jun 18, 11:06 PM
CarynW: A8: Burcha received the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s matra and Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche advised Burcha that ““Whenever you travel, always remember that your teacher and your Protector are one. When you recite the mantra of your protector, remember he is your root teacher.”
14 Jun 18, 11:06 PM
Pastor Han Nee: a8.Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche blessed him and gave him the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s mantra. He also advised Burcha that whenever he travelled or recited the Protector mantra, he was to think of the Protector as one with his Root Guru. Burcha always remembered this advice.
14 Jun 18, 11:05 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A8: Burcha received an oral transmission of Menhla's mantra. Burcha was also advised that whenever he travels, he always remember that his teacher and Protector as one. When Burcha recites the mantra of his protector, he should remember that the protector is his root teacher.
14 Jun 18, 11:04 PM
Elaine: A8 Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche gave Burcha the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s mantra and advised Burcha that, “Whenever you travel, always remember that your teacher and your Protector are one. When you recite the mantra of your protector, remember he is your root teacher".
14 Jun 18, 11:04 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Grace and Jia Seng 👍
14 Jun 18, 11:03 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A8: Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche blessed Burcha and gave him the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s mantra. He also advised Burcha that, “Whenever you travel, always remember that your teacher and your Protector are one. When you recite the mantra of your protector, remember he is your root teacher.”
14 Jun 18, 11:03 PM
Jiaseng: A8 : Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche gave him the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s mantra. He also advised Burcha that, “Whenever you travel, always remember that your teacher and your Protector are one. When you recite the mantra of your protector, remember he is your root teacher.” Since that time, whenever Burcha pray to his protector, he would think of the protector and his root teacher as the same
14 Jun 18, 11:03 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A8 : Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche blessed Burcha and gave him the oral transmission of Medicine Buddha’s mantra. He also advised Burcha that, “Whenever you travel, always remember that your teacher and your Protector are one. When you recite the mantra of your protector, remember he is your root teacher.
14 Jun 18, 11:02 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Here is our last question for the day~ Q8. What oral transmission did Burcha receive from Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and what was his advice to Burcha?
14 Jun 18, 11:01 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Previously,

Burcha remembered coming across a picture book on Tibet when he was in Los Angeles. Inside that book, he chanced upon a picture of H.H. Pabongka Rinpoche with a caption that read, “Pabongka, a high lama of Lhasa”. He could not stop staring at the picture. Burcha instantly felt tremendous faith in this Lama. He photocopied and framed the picture of Pabongka Rinpoche, which he kept on his shrine.
14 Jun 18, 11:00 PM
Jiaseng: A7 : Burcha heard that the incarnation of H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had just arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma’s house. Burcha immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong (monetary offering)
14 Jun 18, 11:00 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A7 : When arrived Dharamsala, Burcha stayed at Gaden Shartse’s Shabten Kang.Gaden Shartse’s Shabten Kang was located next to Dekyi Khangkar, the house and clinic of the famous female doctor, Dr. Lobsang Dolma.Burcha heard that the incarnation of H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had just arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma’s house. Burcha immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong (monetary offering) and went next door to Dekyi Khangkar to pay Pabongka Rinpoche a visit.
14 Jun 18, 11:00 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 7 Upon arriving in India, made his way to Dharamsala to await his ordination as a monk by the Dalai Lama. Burcha had planned to join Gaden Shartse Monastery in South India, a s his root Guru Zong Rinpoche's ladrang was there.In Dharamsala, Burcha stayed at Gaden Shartse’s Shabten Kang, a branch of Gaden Shartse. Gaden Shartse’s Shabten Kang was located next to Dekyi Khangkar, the house and clinic of the famous female doctor, Dr. Lobsang Dolma. The evening he arrived in Dharamsala, Burcha heard that the incarnation of H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had just arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma’s house. So although he was sick, Burcha immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong (monetary offering) and went next door to Dekyi Khangka to visit Pabongkha Chocktrul Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 10:58 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A7: Burcha heard about Pabongkha Rinpoche through as he visited the famous female doctor (Dr. Dolma) who hosted Pabongkha Rinpoche at her house. When he knew about it, he quickly gather some money and some vitamins to offer to Pabongkha Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 10:58 PM
CarynW: A7: When Burcha heard that Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma’s house, he immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong (monetary offering) and went next door to Dekyi Khangkar, the house and clinic of Dr. Lobsang Dolma. Burcha was staying at Gaden Shartse’s Shabten Kang, a branch of Gaden Shartse Monastery in South India at that time. This monastery was located next to Dekyi Khangkar.
14 Jun 18, 10:58 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A7: The evening Burcha arrived in Dharamsala, Burcha was sick and feverish from the bus ride up the winding journey. However, he heard that the incarnation of H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had just arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma’s house. Burcha immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong (monetary offering) and went next door to Dekyi Khangkar to meet Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 10:57 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A7: Burcha was planning to join Gaden Shartse since this was the monastery where H.H Kyabje Zong Rinpoche came from. Gaden Shartse's Shabten Kang was located next to Dekyi Khangkar, the house and clinic of the famous female doctor, Dr. Lobsang Dolma and also a-15-minute walk from His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama's palace. The evening when Burcha arrived in Dharamsala, Burcha was sick and feverish fro the bus ride up the winding journey. However, he heard that the incarnation of H.H. Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche had just arrived and was staying in Dr. Lobsang Dolma's house. Hence, Burcha immediately gathered the bottles of vitamins he brought from the United States and a small kuyong as monetary offering and went to next door to Dekyi Khangkar.
14 Jun 18, 10:55 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Hi Cc... Yea, we are wrapping up soon but really thanks for dropping by 🙌
14 Jun 18, 10:53 PM
Cc: hi Rinpoche and everyone. Sorry for being late. Will observe today.
14 Jun 18, 10:52 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Tsem199.jpg
14 Jun 18, 10:51 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Q7. How did Burcha end up meeting Kyabje Pabongka Chocktrul Rinpoche?
14 Jun 18, 10:51 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Let’s talk about
Ordination and joining Gaden Monastery
14 Jun 18, 10:50 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Thanks for the answer. Yes, it was Geshe La and few others students who sent him off.
14 Jun 18, 10:49 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A6: In October 1987, Burcha left for India with two bags of his belongings. Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted him to the airport together with several of his close students.
14 Jun 18, 10:49 PM
Pastor Han Nee: In October 1987, Burcha left for India with two bags of his belongings. He was 22 years old and had spent the last 8 years at the TDL Dharma Centre. . Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted him to the airport together with several of his close students.. Geshe La who had been a spiritual father to him in the years he was at TDL, sent him off with a khata and his blessings.
14 Jun 18, 10:48 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A6 :In October 1987, Burcha left for India,.Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted him to the airport together with several of his close students.
14 Jun 18, 10:48 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A6: Burcha left for India in October 1987 with only two bags of his belongings. It was Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted Burcha to the airport together with several of His close students. Geshe la gave Burcha a khata and His blessings.
14 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A6: Burcha left for India when he was 22 years old in Oct 1987. Geshe-La and a few close students sent Burcha to the airport. Gesha-La gave Burcha a khata and blessings.
14 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
Jiaseng: A6 : Burcha leave India in October 1987. Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted hom to airport
14 Jun 18, 10:47 PM
CarynW: A6: Burcha left for India in October 1987. Geshe Tsultim Gyeltsen escorted him to the airport together with several of his close students. Geshe La gave Burcha a khata and his blessings.
14 Jun 18, 10:45 PM
Pastor Han Nee: You are correct Jacinta.
14 Jun 18, 10:45 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Leaving for India Q6. When did Burcha leave for India and who sent him off?
14 Jun 18, 10:45 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Thanks Jia Seng..
14 Jun 18, 10:44 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: How many of us will think like that? In our prayer, usually we will ask the best for our family and oneself and not for others. Even if we have done so, usually tainted with 8worldly concerns
14 Jun 18, 10:44 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 5. Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin told Burcha that he must take the monk's vows with the pure compassionate motivation of benefiting others. He must not become a monk for himrself or to escape or to get away from something. He must generate the thought that he is doing this to liberate all beings from suffering. He needed to hold morality. By the practice of morality, he would be able to cut away the negative habits and therefore accomplish the highest goal – enlightenment.
14 Jun 18, 10:43 PM
Jiaseng: A5 : :D Kensul Rinpoche Lobsang Tarchin advices Burcha You are going to become a monk. When you go and become a monk from His Holiness the Dalai Lama, you must not just go and get the vows. You must generate higher Mahayana motivation. You must not become a monk for yourself or to escape or to get away from something. You must generate the thought that [you are doing this to] liberate all beings. You need to hold morality. By the practice of morality, you will be able to cut away the negative habits and therefore accomplish the highest goal – enlightenment.
14 Jun 18, 10:43 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A5: Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin mentioned to Burcha that he was going the right way and advised Burcha when Burcha become a monk from His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, Burcha must not just go for the sake of getting the vows and escape or to get away from something but to generate higher Mahayana motivation to liberate all beings from suffering and pain, need to hold morality to cut away the negative habits in order to accomplish the goal of achieving the enlightenment.
14 Jun 18, 10:42 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Yes Grace and Caryn~ the highest goal is to gain enlightenment with the motivation to benefit all beings
14 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
Elaine: A5 Kensur Rinpoche advised Burcha that he must make sure by becoming a monk, he was not running away from something but must generate higher Mahayana motivation., ie to liberate all sentient beings.
14 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A5: Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin adviced Burcha as follow : “Now, you are going the right way. You are going to become a monk. When you go and become a monk from His Holiness the Dalai Lama, you must not just go and get the vows. You must generate higher Mahayana motivation. You must not become a monk for yourself or to escape or to get away from something. You must generate the thought that [you are doing this to] liberate all beings. You need to hold morality. By the practice of morality, you will be able to cut away the negative habits and therefore accomplish the highest goal – enlightenment. So when you go for taking robes with His Holiness, you make sure you generate that motivation to benefit all others.“
14 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
CarynW: A5: Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin gave the following advice “Now, you are going the right way. You are going to become a monk. When you go and become a monk from His Holiness the Dalai Lama, you must not just go and get the vows. You must generate higher Mahayana motivation. You must not become a monk for yourself or to escape or to get away from something. You must generate the thought that [you are doing this to] liberate all beings. You need to hold morality. By the practice of morality, you will be able to cut away the negative habits and therefore accomplish the highest goal – enlightenment. . So when you go for taking robes with His Holiness, you make sure you generate that motivation to benefit all others.”
14 Jun 18, 10:41 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A5 :Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin gave the following advice to Burcha : “Now, you are going the right way. You are going to become a monk. When you go and become a monk from His Holiness the Dalai Lama, you must not just go and get the vows. You must generate higher Mahayana motivation. You must not become a monk for yourself or to escape or to get away from something. You must generate the thought that [you are doing this to] liberate all beings. You need to hold morality. By the practice of morality, you will be able to cut away the negative habits and therefore accomplish the highest goal – enlightenment. So when you go for taking robes with His Holiness, you make sure you generate that motivation to benefit all others.
14 Jun 18, 10:40 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Yes Elaine. Burcha must have been very sad although this did not deter him from going to India
14 Jun 18, 10:39 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Jia Seng, now this one is question 5 ya 😝
14 Jun 18, 10:39 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): Just watched the short video again. Indeed it was a very precious moment.
14 Jun 18, 10:38 PM
Elaine: A4 Dana didn't agree to Burcha becoming a monk but she couldn't stop him. She threatened to disown him the moment he became a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:38 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Just before Burcha left for India Q5. What was Kensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tharchin’s advice to Burcha during this time?
14 Jun 18, 10:38 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Precious indeed!
14 Jun 18, 10:37 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Yes, what a precious moment for Burcha Grace
14 Jun 18, 10:36 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): Really precious moment to show determination of Rinpoche.
14 Jun 18, 10:36 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Kin Hoe has given a strong point here~ although Dana seemed to accept but in fact she was rather harsh in words
”Dana knew she could not stop him. Dana told him that the moment the robes touched his skin, he would no longer be her son”
14 Jun 18, 10:35 PM
Pastor Han Nee: Thank goodness someone captured the moment on camera!
14 Jun 18, 10:34 PM
Pastor Han Nee: When Burcha visited his foster parents , and told Dana he was going to be a monk, she was not agreeable with Burcha’s plan to become a monk. However, she did not stop him because Burcha had grown to be a big boy. Nonetheless, she told him that the moment the robes touched his skin, he would no longer be her son. It was sad for Burcha, but he was determined to be a monk. So he said farewell to them. That was the last time he saw his foster parents alive.
14 Jun 18, 10:33 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A4 :Burcha spent two days with Dana and explained what he was going to do. Dana was not accepting, but she was polite and happy that Burcha visited her. She cooked, she talked, but she was not agreeable with Burcha’s plan to become a monk. However, she did not stop him because Burcha has grown to be a big boy. Dana knew she could not stop him
14 Jun 18, 10:33 PM
CarynW: A4: Dana was not agreeable but she did not stop him either because Burcha has grown to be a big boy. She told Burcha she would not regard him as her son if he were to become a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A4: Dana did not agree and did not accept Burcha's decision to become ordained. However, Dana did not stop Burcha because Burcha has grown up although Dana knew she could stop him from becoming ordained. Dana told him that the moment the robes touched Burcha's skin, Burcha would no longer be her son.
14 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Jiaseng: A4*
14 Jun 18, 10:32 PM
Jiaseng: A5: Dana was not accepting, but she was polite and happy that Burcha visited her.
14 Jun 18, 10:31 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Yes Pastor Han Nee. When the request was made, it was filmed by someone else without Burcha’s knowing it ~ here https://youtu.be/161C4xrnIf0
14 Jun 18, 10:31 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A4: Dana was not happy and not accepting, but she was polite and happy that Burcha visited her. She cooked, she talked, but she was not agreeable with Burcha’s plan to become a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:30 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Before going to India, Burcha returned to Howell, New Jersey to see his parents for one last time after he confirmed that he is to become a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:29 PM
Pastor Han Nee: 3. In 1987,Burcha had an audience with H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal’s Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey. Whe he met the Dalai Lama to get his blessings, he took the opportunity to request His Holiness if he could ordain him. His Holiness agreed. He asked Burcha to go to India, and His Holiness would ordain him.
14 Jun 18, 10:29 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Lum mentioned this just now~ 😅 Q4. What was Dana’s reaction to Burcha’s becoming a monk?
14 Jun 18, 10:26 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A3: In 1987, Burcha had another audience with His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal's Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey. After His Holiness gave dharma talks, His Holiness continued to give blessings and during that moment, Burcha asked His Holiness to ordain him and His Holiness agreed to Burcha's request.
14 Jun 18, 10:26 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Burcha requestion ordination here http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Tsem197.jpg
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A3: In year 1987, Burcha had another audience with H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal’s Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey. After the meeting, Burcha had a chance to go up and get blessings from His Holiness. At that moment, Burcha asked His Holiness to ordain him. His Holiness agreed. He asked Burcha to come to India, and His Holiness would ordain him.
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Jiaseng: A3: in year 1987, Burcha had another audience with H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal’s Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey. Geshe Wangyal invited His Holiness to visit, give dharma talk and blessings. After the meeting, Burcha had a chance to go up and get blessings from His Holiness. At that moment, Burcha asked His Holiness to ordain him. His Holiness agreed. He asked Burcha to come to India, and His Holiness would ordain him.
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A3: The life-changing event for Burcha in 1987 was that he requested ordination from HHDL and HH agreed to be done in India. Burcha was in total bliss and everyone was so happy for him except Dana and Boris.
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
CarynW: A3: In year 1987, Burcha had another audience with H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal’s Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey. Geshe Wangyal invited His Holiness to visit, give dharma talk and blessings. After the meeting, Burcha had a chance to go up and get blessings from His Holiness. At that moment, Burcha asked His Holiness to ordain him. His Holiness agreed.
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A3 :In year 1987, Burcha had another audience with H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama in Geshe Wangyal’s Dharma center in Washington, New Jersey.Burcha had a chance to go up and get blessings from His Holiness. At that moment, Burcha asked His Holiness to ordain him. His Holiness agreed. He asked Burcha to come to India, and His Holiness would ordain him
14 Jun 18, 10:25 PM
Pastor Han Nee: A2. Robert Stone was one of the sponsors of TDL and a good friend of Burcha. When he found out from Burcha that Burcha could not go to India to be a monk becuas ehe did not have the money to go, he promptly gave him a cheque for the amount of money Burcha needed to pay off his outstanding bills , the passport , the ticket to fly to India and the like. So sweet a person was he.
14 Jun 18, 10:23 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: What happened after that? Q3. What life changing event occurred in 1987 for Burcha?
14 Jun 18, 10:22 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: USD 5000 is a huge sum at that time! Imagine how generous Mr. Robert Stone was. Hence, we must always be grateful for our sponsors
14 Jun 18, 10:22 PM
Yee Mun (KISG): A2: Robert Stone was one of TDL’s main sponsors. He helped Burcha financially for Burcha to go India to become a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:21 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A2 : Robert Stone is TDL main sponsor and also good friend of Burcha. He was impressed by Burcha's intention to become a monk. He give USD5k to Burcha to settle all his bill so that Burcha can go to India to become a monk.
14 Jun 18, 10:21 PM
Jiaseng: A2. Robert had also waS Burcha's good friend and a very nice person, he help Burcha to pay of credit card bill, air tickets, passport and so forth.
14 Jun 18, 10:20 PM
So Kin Hoe(KISG): A2: Robert Stone was one of the Thubten Dargye Ling's main sponsors. When Robert Stone heard that Burcha wanted to become a monk, he was very impressed and wrote Burcha a cheque for Burcha to pay the credit card bills, air tickets, passport and so forth in order to go to India.
14 Jun 18, 10:20 PM
Lum Kok Luen: A2: Robert Stone is one of TDL's main sponsors. He helped Burcha to clear off his debts so that Burcha can go to India to become a monk. Robert gave Burcha a cheque of US$5,000 which is sufficient for Burcha to clear off his debts and go to India.
14 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
CarynW: A2: Robert Stone is one of TDL’s main sponsors. He was Burcha’s good friend and a very nice person. Robert wrote a cheque to Burcha to help finance his trip to India.
14 Jun 18, 10:19 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: For the second question, you can answer in brief
14 Jun 18, 10:18 PM
Grace Leu(KHJB): A1 :Burcha met H.H. the 98th Gaden Tripa Jetsun Jamphal Zhenpen at TDL. This Lama cried whenever he spoke about the suffering of others. This is similar to the ever-weeping Bodhisattva Sadaprarudita in the Prajnaparamita Sutras. Upon learning that Burcha was planning to become ordained, His Holiness advised him to recite Heart Sutra daily. Burcha received the initiation of 13-Deity Yamantaka and Manjushri from this great master.
14 Jun 18, 10:18 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: @ Kin Hoe, Yee Mun and Jia Seng, the answers are correct
14 Jun 18, 10:16 PM
Jiaseng: A1: the 98th Gaden Tripa Jetsun Jamphal Zhenpen is very compassion, after Burcha received the initiation of 13-Deity Yamantaka and Manjushri from this great master.
14 Jun 18, 10:16 PM
Jacinta Goh_Co-Moderator: Q2. Who is Robert Stone and how did he help Burcha?
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