[older messages]
19 Feb 17, 11:58 PM
El Don: @Jshin I agree with some of what you said, but in no way shape or form does discussing female nature make someone "not alpha". That seems like a shaming tactic with the intent to censor certain discussions from taking place.
20 Feb 17, 12:06 AM
El Don: When I say aggressive, I don't mean thirsty or rap.ey. Betas are extremely aggressive, but in a pathetic, pandering, sometimes stalkerish manner. What I meant is that alphas go after what they want, and don't do it in a way that makes them seem inferior in the eyes of a woman. There are natural alphas and then there are alphas who learn and improve themselves to the point of being alpha. I myself do not strive to be a rigid alpha. I'm more of a Sigma, which basically is a hot with alpha traits, but is more of a Lone Wolf independent type. Alphas and Sigmas have mutual respect for each other and sometimes clash, but alphas tend to dominate social groups. "Life of the party" types, while Sigmas slip in low key and try to leave with a girl that they find attractive, when possible. Sigmas don't try to take the spotlight. It doesn't matter to them. Sigma can become Alpha in certain situations, and an Alpha can become a Sigma as well.
20 Feb 17, 12:09 AM
El Don: As far as marriage goes, the general consensus is that marriage tends to turn alphas into betas over time. Marriage is almost always kryptonite to an alpha or sigma. That's why betas are better suited for marriage. Pick up a copy of The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi. He breaks the different make personalities down scientifically. Great read.
20 Feb 17, 12:09 AM
El Don: *male
20 Feb 17, 12:17 AM
El Don: Alphas can or cannot be jerks. There are many alphas who are jerks. Maybe assertive is a better word than aggressive, now that I think of it. I'll agree with you there. And then you have alphas with some beta traits and betas with some alpha traits. It gets complex. A guy can be built like The Rock and feared by his peers, and still be a beta when it comes to how he deals with women. Or a guy could not be a big fighter type but be alpha or sigma in how he treats women. Women constantly do what are called "s.hit tests" where they challenge or test a man's reaction to certain situations in order to determine what category he falls in and how to treat him (friend zone beta, short term alpha fling, beta bucks provider, or pursuit of an unlikely long term relationship with an alpha/sigma).
20 Feb 17, 12:19 AM
El Don: My personal experience is that being a "jerk" aka blunt, mildly insulting, mildly obnoxious, with different types of women turns them on like crazy. You'd be surprised what women will let a man get away with projects the feeling that he's of higher status and value than she is.
20 Feb 17, 12:24 AM
El Don: For example: Putting a decent looking woman in the friend zone is a high insult to her ego and her own perception of sexual value. You then become a "challenge" for her to validate her seductiveness. Another thing that has worked for me is "NEGGING" aka mild insults or backhanded compliments. Most women have such an inflated ego because of beta male attention, that no one ever takes them down a notch. You can point out that she has dandruff, or offer her some gum or a mint when she's talking 😂 That stuff has worked for me in the past. I promise 😂
20 Feb 17, 12:25 AM
El Don: I'd rather be an "as.shole" (challenge) than a doormat any day. We can't change female nature, but we can adapt to it.
20 Feb 17, 11:05 AM
B4BSE: negging is a cheap trick, like lying to make a sale. sarcastic comments in a playful way that won't hurt her feelings but displays that you are not afraid to have some fun is the way to go
20 Feb 17, 11:08 AM
B4BSE: watch californication to get a good idea of a healthy view of sex and relationsships, despite some of the "unlucky" decisions made by the main character to add drama and comic elements to the show
20 Feb 17, 04:04 PM
TeamDanjaHandz: Don, saying bout that letter u have sent us, I want u to know I was thinking the same. I mean, I do the opposite things not to be followed unintentionally lol
20 Feb 17, 04:28 PM
El Don: "Negging is a cheap trick" Who cares if it's "cheap" to some people. What matters is whether or not something WORKS, and it does. There's no morality to the "dating game". Women employ a full arsenal of mind games. I don't think there's ONE "way to go". We should all go our own way, in my opinion.
20 Feb 17, 04:29 PM
El Don: I'll look it up though.
20 Feb 17, 04:30 PM
El Don: @TeamDanjaHandz Lol then you're a smart guy
20 Feb 17, 04:31 PM
El Don: @B4BSE Define "healthy" relationship. What if I don't want ANY relationship just sex? What's "unhealthy"about that? It doesn't fit the societal conventions?
20 Feb 17, 06:31 PM
jshin: There is no general consensus on marriage. Marriage is a case by case type of situation. It works for some people and for others, it doesn't.
20 Feb 17, 06:37 PM
jshin: Being a jerk isn't what turns women on. Its not the insults or being obnoxious. What turns them on is confidence and being blunt. That's where betas lose out because they spend time and money trying to woo a woman instead of just getting to the point. The whole time hes wooing her, she's already decided she doesn't want him romantically. In many cases an alpha could simply just be in her presence and she already knows she wants him. Thats why being a jerk is irrlevant because it can also be a turn off. Confidence however is evident without one word ever being spoken.
20 Feb 17, 06:39 PM
jshin: Marriage could never turn an alpha into a beta. That person wasn't an alpha to begin with.
20 Feb 17, 06:42 PM
jshin: @El Don you seem to be limiting alphas to relationships. Being an alpha is far more complex than that. And an alpha has respect for women even if he isn't overt in showing it.
20 Feb 17, 10:10 PM
El Don: @Jshin well in America marriages have a 50 percent chance of ending in divorce and 80% of divorces are initiated by women, so that's a whole bunch of cases. Whether or not you choose to disregard statistical facts and substitute them with anecdotes is not under my control.
20 Feb 17, 10:15 PM
El Don: Some women are legit turned on by jerk behavior and not just confidence and being blunt to a degree. Women think that their vaginas can rehabilitate a hole guys. "Domesticating" a "wild" man is a way to validate their SMV (sexual market value ..aka what makes them appealing to the opposite sex). I wouldn't say this goes for every woman, and I do agree that confidence and boldness (in the right doses) attracts women. It subconsciously signals to them that you're a man of value, who can deal with stress, and has the courage to break social norms in certain situations.
20 Feb 17, 10:21 PM
El Don: I also agree with you about the beta male and why they fail to get the girl they want, even if she has some interest in him. Many women leave expensive dates with betas who are trying to charm their way into some p.ussy, and get dropped off at a less successful alpha'/sigma's house for sex. It's called being a DATE SPONGE, or a PAY PER VIEW H.OE.. The rules for the betas is that you have to spend money if you want to spend time with her. The rule for the guys she wants to f.uck is that they hook up when they both have availability.
20 Feb 17, 10:22 PM
El Don: That's what I was talking about when I said women practice SEXUAL DUPLICITY or a two sided sexual strategy. Alpha/Sigma F.UCKS Beta BUCKS$$$$$$
20 Feb 17, 10:25 PM
El Don: A personal example: I went to a bar with friends. This girl comes up to me and is all friendly, flirtatious, touchy etc. She was maybe a 7, Hispanic, curly hair. In decent shape. So I'm sitting at the bar, she comes and sits next to me. After about 10 minutes, she just blurts out IT'S MY BIRTHDAY AND I'M NOT PAYING FOR ANY OF MY DRINKS TONIGHT.
20 Feb 17, 10:28 PM
El Don: I said "That's nice".. And then excused myself to the bathroom and then posted up in a different part of the bar. THE NERVE OF SOME C.UNT I JUST MET TO ASSUME I'D FOR THE TAB FOR HER JUST BECAUSE. 😂 They call these types of women LIQUOR STRIPPERS. They use FEMALE GAME to dupe betas into spending money on them. Lots of guys fall for it too SMH.
20 Feb 17, 10:29 PM
El Don: *foot the tab
20 Feb 17, 10:33 PM
El Don: @Jshin another good point you made was about women quickly deciding if they're going to sleep with a guy or not. This is why going out on dates can be a bad idea in many cases. The longer you talk to a woman, the higher the probability that you'll say something that will turn her off. One comment about Trump being "good" or about how you're not into marriage, and you might have jeopardized closing the deal. 😂
20 Feb 17, 10:35 PM
El Don: Personally, if I'm only interested in sex, I'm more of a jerk to a woman because I don't want her to see me as a long term relationship type or marriage material. I just want to be seen as someone to have fun with here and there. That's much less complicated than relationships, child rearing and matrimony..
20 Feb 17, 10:39 PM
El Don: And by jerk I don't mean I'm gonna spit in her face or something. I just do things to let her know she's not God's gift to man, but in a fun way most of them time. I try not to boost a woman's confidence. They have more than enough of that from social media and beta orbiters in the friend zone.
20 Feb 17, 11:06 PM
B4BSE: "Who cares if it's "cheap" to some people. What matters is whether or not something WORKS, and it does. There's no morality to the "dating game"."
20 Feb 17, 11:07 PM
B4BSE: still you make it sound like you don't approve of the tactics of the women you refer to...
20 Feb 17, 11:08 PM
B4BSE: like it's ok for you to act immoral but not the women you mention
20 Feb 17, 11:08 PM
B4BSE: sounds to me like you are just as bad, only a man
20 Feb 17, 11:12 PM
B4BSE: you do know you can get women to sleep with you just by non-disrespectful self-amusement and acting indifferent if they try to put you on the spot?
20 Feb 17, 11:41 PM
El Don: @B4BSE You missed the part where I said we can't change female nature BUT WE CAN ADAPT TO IT. Before you pull the whole "GOTCHA" play, look at the WHOLE PICTURE. There's nothing dishonest about what I do. I don't pretend to want a relationship. I also said that I project NON RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL TRAITS so women will get the picture that I only want fun.
20 Feb 17, 11:43 PM
El Don: I said I was upfront about what I want from them. I don't force anyone to fck me 😂.. I also don't pretend to like someone to get money out of them or try to trap them in a marriage or with kids they don't want. Don't cherry pick bruh.
20 Feb 17, 11:48 PM
El Don: What I wrote was CLEAR TO UNDERSTAND. It's your choice if you want to misinterpret it in order to form a comeback. And why do you care how I treat women... unless... you're one of those "nice guy" types, who thinks he's put on earth to White Knight for women. I do recall a comment you made about "protecting/helping all women" or something to that extent. Why the f.ck should I care about "all women"? Most feminists see chivalry as sexist. Let them pretend they're equal to men if they want 😂
20 Feb 17, 11:49 PM
El Don: The only women I care about are blood relatives and friends. Any other chick is not my burden to "protect/help/serve/save" etc.
20 Feb 17, 11:52 PM
El Don: Women trap men in marriages and with kids to extort money, expect men to pay for whatever they ask, mislead men to use them, etc. And I'm "just as bad" because I'm not "nice" to women and I give the impression and tell them that I DON'T want commitment just sex. It's just terrible to be honest with women I guess 😂
20 Feb 17, 11:53 PM
El Don: But go right ahead and keep saying it's the same thing *shrugs